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Just corporate real estate.
That’s literally it. The whole reason.
It’s also easier to spy on their employees
I dunno, I felt the most spied upon in my (programming) career when my team had a Slack channel going and everybody was expected to be available during working hours, even though I was WFH. When I actually worked in the main headquarters in downtown Philly, I would fuck off a lot and go shopping or take two hour lunches with beer and stuff like that. They even had a “sick room” on my floor with a very comfortable couch that I would take regular 45 minute naps on after lunch (until the fucking InfoSys contractors discovered it). Nobody ever said shit.
Ultimately both situations required me to produce actual software to keep the bosses happy, but the Slack channel experience was the only time I was really expected to be present mentally the whole official work time.
That’s a fair take and I’ve certainly heard horror stories about the invasive programs WFH people have been made to install on their devices.
Maybe it just feels like it’d be easier to spy on you in the building they own haha.
Really? You can keep Slack up in the background and appear “online” all day. Get the app on your phone, and you don’t even have to be at your desk to be “available.” I’ve had Slack conversations while walking around at the local park. It’s really no big deal.
If they expect you to be available for huddles at the drop of a hat, that’s just unreasonable. But as long as responding to a chat within an hour or two is acceptable, WFH is fantastic.
I respond to Slack messages by end of day. If someone has something urgent they will call me (on the work number, of course).
At my org, we don’t have phone numbers for each other. If it’s urgent, just keep pinging them on Slack until they respond, and ping multiple people who can potentially help. It’s incredibly rare that you’ll ever need a specific individual on an urgent basis, almost everything can wait until tomorrow morning, and even emergencies can be handled by more than one person.
Fucking Infosys contractors indeed.
So this is a company whose foundation was work from home and thus has that as it’s background culture? Yeah this is just an excuse for layoffs without paying.
“We have just opened our new corporate office in Bumfuck, Nowhere! We’d like to thank the county of Bumfuck for their generous grant of taxpayer dollars. Now all employees will be required to work in person or be terminated for cause.”
Instead of a planned layoff, it’s a layoff of random people, with a bias towards laying off the most capable.
Metallica/Napster all over again
Every other company:
“Hey, we’re hiring…”
This is a litmus test for who actually reads the article
I went from agreeing with the headline to fuck this guy real quick. I admittedly had never heard of Nothing, because it’s a stupid name, and so this decision is par for the course it seems. Just add another name to the Chop List.
I did read it and my opinion stays the same.
To be in 5 days a week is nonsense.
A hybrid schedule would allow for the same collaboration and innovation. 3 days and office and 2 at home. Everyone wins.
sad machinist noises
You should get that fixed.
Few natural born enemies exist, fewer still as deep and natural as the animosity between machinery and maintenance.
I’m full remote…nothing says insulting like having to badge in then then call India to make sure the kids over there actually got some work done.
Full transparency, I’m not arguing against full remote - I 100% support it. I’ve done it and it doesn’t work for me - I like being in the office a few days a week, but full onsite for desk jobs is asinine.
I’m ok with hybrid for the people that need that, but mandating it means it’s probably not a company I want to work for.
Exactly.
I’m in the office 2x/week, and it’s the perfect balance for us. We pack those two days w/ collaboration, which leaves the other three relatively open for individual work. And the best part about 2x/week is that you could theoretically fit twice the workers in the same physical space, which should reduce corporate leasing costs.
Since you’re being a scold elsewhere in the thread to everyone confused by the headline, I’ll just leave this here.
Banned because I was absolutely correct, we are NOT ready for that discussion.
And it’s pathetic you go through the modlog looking for dirt on someone.
You’re acting like it’s a useful point to be had. Everybody who already was a fucking 14 year old and isn’t ace already knows that. It’s not unless your trying to suggest it should follow a specific conclusion. 14 year olds can and do also want to drive, smoke, skip school, use explosives, and drink. Preferably all at the same time. Since your conclusion is transparent, well…
unless your trying to suggest it should follow a specific conclusion
That’s why we can’t have the discussion. Anyone trying to bring it up in any context gets accused of pedophilia. Even when there is a legitimate point to be made.
In this case iirc the point was about infantilizing women of all ages and the negative impacts of the madonna-whore complex and how pretending women have no sexual desire is actually quite misogynistic.
But yeah. Nope, forbidden topic. Insta ban. At least they didn’t make it permanent.
If you want to make a point that doesn’t make people fill in sentences for you, I’d recommend against being vague.
My point was that it’s impossible to make the point because people are hysterical.
I expected downvotes but did not anticipate the mods also being hysterical.
Ok so you made a point that people get hysterical when you start making suggestions that lead to pedophilia. What was the goal in that?
You didn’t make a point. You vaguely said that it’s taboo to say teenage girls have a sex drive (which hilariously, it isn’t: see the popular books, TV shows, and movies regarding that).
Oof, The ultimate “this you?”.
Sir, my god.
Wow.
That reason is pretty spot on.
oof
How do you find those mod reports?
https://slrpnk.net/modlog there’s the modlog on your instance.
“this is a company for adults” says the CEO of a company who slaps “Glyph” lights on knockoff iPhones and calls it innovative. I hate when I see Carl Pei’s smug face pop up every few months. Hey Carl - put a fucking charger in the box. OnePlus is thriving without you.
I won’t buy anything that isn’t stock Android. Sick of never being able to find anything.
Not sure what you’re saying… ru referencing Nothing OS, or Oxygen… or…?
Anything that isn’t a Pixel, pretty much. Every single manufacturer seems to think it’s their duty to replace all the settings screens with their own custom bullshit.
No devices have “stock Android” though. Even the Pixel is a customized version of Android. Vanilla AOSP doesn’t even have a usable phone dialer included with it.
The way this usually works out is you loose all the good employees and you’re left with the dregs who were unable to find another remote position in time.
Remind me to check in 6 months, we’ll see headlines that “Nothing’s” valuation is going to be doing honours to its name
I wanna see them pay for office hours AND commute hours. In a big city you easily have 1+ hour a day irrevocably lost to commuting.
Companies don’t even have to pay people for the time spent going through their own required security checks… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrity_Staffing_Solutions,_Inc._v._Busk
So glad I live in California. A faulty security gate once prevented me from leaving my job on time. Which pushed me past 12 hours on shift, which automatically meant I was earning twice my hourly wage while I waited. Plus it required a mandatory additional meal break, which I couldn’t take. Since I couldn’t take it, I was automatically given an additional full hour’s wage, as required by state law.
I’m glad I don’t work for a company that forces me to go through a security gate, and I’m glad we don’t track hours. I get paid salary, and I rarely work more than 8 hours in a given day, and my average hours worked per week is usually under 40.
It’s nice you had some protections, but those protections really shouldn’t be necessary.
Being salaried doesn’t remove you from those protections, at least in Europe. You get overtime, which is either 1.5x pay or you accumulate PTO.
In the US most salaried positions are not eligible for overtime. Unfortunately, California has yet to close that loophole.
The next job above me is salaried. If I were to get a promotion, I’d be making about 2/3 of my current income because I would lose all of the hourly protections I have. Despite a higher base pay.
You’re lucky. Many people on salary end up working overtime with no pay increase.
Once again, there are good managers & (far too frequently) bad (Elon loving cockwomble) managers
Scumbags all.
Wow. Now I don’t want to go to the US even harder than before.
If I’m reading that right, the decision was reversed by the 9th circuit.
The District Court originally dismissed the case, ruling that the security checks were made after the regular work shift and therefore not “an integral and indispensable part” of the job. The Ninth Circuit disagreed, ruling that the checks were necessary to the principal work of the job.[2][3]
The US Supreme Court then reversed the Ninth Circuit ruling. You’re quoting the background that gives context to the case in the lixned article.
Ok, good luck with that! Can’t wait for this guy to start whining that he can’t find employees.
Chaff
First devouring all of Fantasia, now this.
Hahaha
They make phones. I had to look this up since I had never heard of this company.
I would find it weird to be referred to as Nothing staff, or a Nothing employee.
uhhhh…
anyone else totally misinterpret the lede to mean “there’s no reason to go to work at an office” lol?
Definite “Friday was the name of his horse!” energy here.
Yep. Pretty sure the editor knew what they were doing 🙂
It’s like god damn Odysseus and Polyphemus up in here.
Sounds like a great reason to unionize.
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I’ve bought Nothing from this company. Like, nothing. No no nothing. Like zero of nothing. I’ll leave now.
No, please stay
Got everything on your way out? Nothing left behind?
Man I hate how I barely ever buy anything, makes it impossible to boycott any company
