I tried SimpleX but the VPN kill switch on my phone prevents syncing with my computer.
I use telegram primarily as a note taking app with sync features.
Occasionally I send files to friends, so having easy set up for tech illiterate would be great.
I think Matrix is the way to go because you can host your own server and be completely self hosting without a 3rd party involved.
To add to this, XMPP is much cheaper to host and offers basically the same features when it comes to what OP needs. I host Prosody and it uses so little resources you could probably get it running on the cheapest server you could find.
It’s probably 15 years ago I used XMPP the last time. Back then there were many compatibility problems between the apps and especially on the mobile phone with push notifications, etc. There were problems sending media and VOIP calls were non existent outside of the Google clients.
My guess is that some of those things improved but I have not heard anyone in my circles using it, especially since Matrix became a bit more popular, most of the Open Source projects on IRC also moved to Matrix.
most of the Open Source projects on IRC also moved to Matrix.
No, they moved to libera.chat
yeah, it’s “a considerable amount”, not “the most”
Yeah, XMPP has changed a loooott since then.
XMPP’s main problems at the moment are clients, in my opinion. There’s 3 main clients for PC; one is 100% python (including frontend) and breaks semi-regularly, one does not officially support Windows and thus cuts out a large portion of the community + doesn’t have as many features as others, and one lacks features and looks extremely outdated. The state on iOS is even worse as well, and Android is fine but could be better.
If you’re considering XMPP again, I’d recommend waiting a few months for Prose https://prose.org/ to fully release, it looks like it’ll improve the experience a lot.
Can you provide names of these clients you’re mentioning?
Python: Gajim Doesn’t support Windows: Dino Outdated: PSI+
Dino is nice in GNOME as it’s native Gtk which gets you a nicely integrated and modern look and feel. It’s a little low on feature but fully usable.
From a security standpoint it leaves something to be desired but for just notes it is fine. It also is good for public rooms
I’ve gone this route. Not for the faint of heart. If you’re not self-hosting savvy, but you know someone that hosts a server, absolutely sign up with them. Or use a local public server like pikaviestin.fi, which provides accounts for finnish citizens.
This. I‘m hosting a couple matrix servers and have many friends who have a ton of issues. It really depends on the admin and how tech savvy everyone involved is. If you cant be arsed to understand how key sharing works and check out which is the best client for you, matrix might bot be the best choice. I love it, personally but I suggest it rarely since tech illiterate users tend to get really upset about a free product not matching their insane standards.
Just a heads up about people’s suggestions on signal. If you don’t open your desktop client often and it needs to be logged back in it will not sync your latest notes to self messages (perhaps other messages too).
To be clear, this is a feature, not a bug
This is true.
Signal.
Signal is not available for Android tablets, which was a deal breaker when I tried to move my family off Telegram.
What do you mean? Modern Android apps work on all kinds of devices. Maybe the Android version on the tablet is too old?
Tablets can’t run mobile apps?
Signal needs a phone number
which does not need to be in the tablet
It does. The Signal app for Android does not support being a secondary device. It must be the primary device with a phone number.
In addition, whatever Play Store settings they use excluded all of our tablets, even the one that had a SIM. Manually installing the APK worked for this case, but that didn’t really solve our problem.
It does. The Signal app for Android does not support being a secondary device. It must be the primary device with a phone number.
do you mean that it does not have a prompt for the SMS code anymore, and it reads the code only from the received SMS?
In addition, whatever Play Store settings they use excluded all of our tablets, even the one that had a SIM
that’s a weird choice, I thought a main goal of them was user freedom
“Don’t you guys have phones?”
Also, I htought 99% of tablets connect to the mobile network using a SIMcard, but even if you rely only on wifi, see my previous quote.
Nope
It is in fact available for tablets
Only iPads.
And and device running Android
Signal
So easy to setup my tech illiterate parents could do it.
Now try without a phone number. Go ahead. Try
I think the intent is baby steps for those who aren’t already privacy invested. Getting parents or tech illiterate to switch to Signal is a win. They weren’t hiding their number anyway.
I currently have a Signal account tied to a sim not in my name. Getting a burner with cash is an option then park it. Or, if you’re lucky enough to live near a payphone and can gain access to the number, you can activate a signal with a phone call.
Have you ever used Wire?
Not as good as some others around
You can’t
That’s not the point though
Not even that. Go set it up even with a phone number but without a smartphone.
Let’s just say my mom would not be able to do that.
Signal can’t do shit Canit sync messages b/w devices seamlessly? Doe it have unlimited storage? Channels? Isn’t upload size limit 100mb? Telegram has 4gb. Advance Bots? Good Ui/Ux? High quality stickers? Big public groups? Mini apps? Lol, signal is NOT an alternative to telegram as a whole, it can only partly replace its messaging functionality
Signal is private. This is c/privacy.
Telegram is not private at all, but has channels and big groups and even, yes, mini-apps.
So Telegram is not an alternative to Signal either, it doesn’t even start solving problems that are solved genially in Signal.
And the post is about telegram alternative?
Try Nostr, I dunno. Or VKontakte if you want the Telegram functionality of sending transcripts of your communications to FSB.
Ok conspiracy theorist signal fan
You should learn something about things you use before talking about conspiracy theories.
Sorry for a bit of off-topic, but for a note taking app I suggest checking out Amplenote (there is a free plan for browser and mobile apps). I discovered it recently and it’s quite a life changer for me. Proper tag system for notes is a killer feature.
signal is the simplest alternative, it’s actually better than telegram since it doesn’t save data
None Signal is shit
I use Joplin for notes.
Honestly? For that limited use, there’s really no need to switch.
However, if you’re willing to do a little extra effort, Join, by joao apps can do what you’re wanting. The notes is easy as pie. Sending files to your own devices is easy. Then you just need a different file sharing method for others.
It’s not a 1:1 replacement, obviously, but sending files via email, or other methods, when it’s only occasional isn’t something that needs to be part of a messenger service that you aren’t primarily using for messages in the first place. Keeping all your eggs in one basket isn’t always as good.
Telegram as a note taking app?.. Now that’s one I haven’t heard before
You’d be surprised what people have been doing with Telegram’s ‘unlimited storage’.
A gmail strat
Sounds like a fun project for a filesystem class
Must be why France wanted Durov.
Maybe Joplin…
Has a strong smell of: https://xkcd.com/1172/
I was a Signal defender (although I still use it because it’s better than Telegram or WhatsApp) but now I’m more pushing for DeltaChat, Matrix and XMPP.
All of those are worse
Worse than what? Fully featured chat, E2EE, can be self-hosted and federated. They have it all.
Most matrix clients just collect loads of data, so meh
well if you accept it at the setup, then yeah, it does
Well signal also has the note to self.
People will hate this, but WhatsApp is probably the second best and convenient to most people. (But if your friends are willing to get signal, do it.) In fact it was always better than telegram, there I said it.
Also there’s many great note taking apps that have a sync feature. Joplin for one.
Out of the fire and into the pot
joplin and all the others who want to run yet another web browser in parralel on your resource constrained phone.
I know, my fault that my phone does not have at least 16 GB of RAM…
about whatsapp: used it for years. it’s not any better. the only part in which it could be is encryption, but only if
- you trust how that black box handles encryption, and your messages before and after it
- you trust that it’ll not datamine the shit out of whatever it has access to on your phone
- you are fine with the yearly remote code execution vulnerabilities it has through calls and such you didnt even notice, let alone accept
I just have some syncthing shared folders with friends/family. It may be a little weird to set up, but once there, it’s seamless.
