It wouldn’t be fair to have your felony conviction negatively impact your opportunities. This is how justice works right?
What a crock of fucking shit. We all knew this was coming. Once again, this little cockroach has escaped the consequences of his actions, and it surprises nobody at this point. Fuck you Merchan, you traitorous fucking coward…
This was the expected outcome. There are no consequences for the wealthy and affluent in the US, only for the poor. Look at the 2008 financial collapse, there wasn’t any real jail time for any of those involved but we can’t even begin to cover the number of suicides their actions caused.
Pathetic.
I’m stating it right now. I am officially running for President in the 2024, 2028, 2032, and 2036 elections. Therefore, to avoid the appearance of impropriety and not show political bias, the criminal court system cannot send me to jail until after the 2036 election, regardless of what crimes I commit or am convicted of in the mean time. The crimes I commit between now and then are irrelevant. I mean, you can convict me of those crimes if you’d like. You just can’t punish me for it because I’m a Presidential Candidate under the Trump standard set forth by this judge.
This act of “not showing bias” goes to show the exact bias that the entire court system continues to give to Trump: giving him special privileges that exactly zero other people in this country would have extended to them in the same situation. And in one fell swoop, Merchan shows that he’s absolutely no better than the rest of them; when push comes to shove, every single one of them will go out of their way to avoid holding Trump accountable for anything, all the while wondering why he keeps doing it.
He’s doing it because it works. He’s doing it because you let him. He’s doing it because you are unwilling to do anything to stop him.
And he’s going to keep doing it because you continue to let him win. Fuck this judge and fuck every other judge who continues to rule that Trump gets special treatment as if it’s some kind of fucking birthright.
Showing plenty of bias by showering the felon with gratuitous delay and deference benefits.
Why are you only running through the 2036 election? Are you already 90? Why stop when you’re 102?
I just haven’t filled out the paperwork yet. I’ve got 12 years. I’ve got time.
He wasn’t wrong when he said it was rigged.
According to Model Standards for State Trial Courts, 75% of felony dispositions are to be resolved within 90 days, 90% within 180 days, and 98% within 365 days.
Trump was indicted March 30, 2023 and was arraigned on April 4, 2023. That means we are at 18 months now. With this decision it will be nearly 21 months.
It’s because the Justice system is not whatsoever blind to wealth and power.
Aren’t we showing bias by giving criminals extra time because they decided to run a bullshit political campaign to subvert the law
He will continue to shit all over the world and get away with it. Absolute insanity. Anyone else on the street would get put away tomorrow and forever.
Shower of bastards
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Judiciary working as intended
This isn’t a verdict, it is sentencing. He has already been found guilty. If the sentence matches what others have gotten for the same crimes, there is no bias.
By failing to do so, he has at best delayed justice, and if Trump should win, has essentially nullified the jury’s verdict.
This feels reminiscent of Camu’s “The Guest.” The judge was given a job to do, and by waiting until the hard decision solves itself without his involvement, now all sides will feel this judge is a traitor.
While I am not a defender of Trump, I think this decision is largely reasonable. It’s essentially punting sentencing to the court of public opinion. That’s the ultimate “justice”.
Here’s the thing, he’s already convicted of the crimes. The voting public knows this. If the voting public still votes him in , they’re essentially saying they’re okay with the crimes he’s committed. You really can’t get a better court of public opinion than a national election like this.
What does public opinion have to do with law? That’s not how the justice system works. Convictions mean nothing without sentencing. This only further erodes people’s faith in the system. This decision is nothing but cowardice.
This only further erodes people’s faith in the system.
It’s sure as fuck eroding mine!
The court system is loosely based on public opinion. Since it’s unreasonable to gather the public’s opinion, a jury is selected to represent “the public”.
In this case, the election essentially allows you to get the actually public’s opinion. You literally cant get closer to true “court of public opinion” that having a nationwide vote on a recently convicted individual candidacy.
That’s a bit of a stretch. A jury adheres closely to the facts, is educated about the relevant subjects, and there are penalties for unreasonable behavior. “Public opinion” does not override anything. It is not okay to break the law just because a cult disagrees or doesn’t care. They can vote for change to the laws, but until they are actually changed everyone must follow them.
Is that not mob justice?
Have we not seen the Russian funding of right wing networks and the seizing of disinformation websites this week?
Not everyone votes or can really give an informed vote.
If Trump wins, do we accept he’s now unpunishable for his crimes? If the voting majority supported him, do the rest of us suffer his promised revenge on his critics?
This is why we have a legal system supposedly. We have people who are supposed to enforce laws impartially and in a timely manner. The right to a speedy and fair trial, for both the plaintiffs and defendants. Justice delayed is justice denied.
I don’t want a bunch of biased legal know nothings determining justice. That’s some warlord stuff.
Laws are also supposed to protect from the tyranny of the majority as well. It’s also supposed to protect the powerless from overstepping authority, like a rogue president.
I’m no fan of lawyers, cops, or legislators, but I certainly don’t want to live in a place with no law.
Unless you forget an /s, I feel this is a bad take.
No, it’s not mob justice.
Generally, “unfair justice”, like mob justice is assessed by undue, unjust, or extreme punishment. Lack of punishment is not “unfair justice”. The US goes as fair to explicitly ban “double jeopardy” as it does not want “innocent “ people to face undue hardship.
In this case, the possible punishment is 100% within the legal system. At worst, trump receives the same punishment as any other criminal convicted of the same crimes. At best, Trump receives a lighter punishment as the result of the election. There is nothing undue or just about a lighter punishment.
Mob justice is a problem as it doesn’t allow for due process and proper representation. The “convicted” often ends up with non-reversible punishment (like mutilation or death) based on arbitrary “mobs”. Since the only outcome here is a reduced sentence, there isn’t an argument for mob justice.
TLDR: mob justice and similar “undue trials” really only care about wrongful convictions. Wrongful “not guilty” decision are not a “problem”
That is absolutely mob justice. You’re outsourcing the decision to the mob. People who aren’t privy to what happened in court, to the evidence, to anything. In fact, you’re disregarding actual justice, that has reached a verdict, and replacing it with the opinion of the ill informed mob. That’s the mobbest justice to ever mob.
I think the idea is that on sentencing they’re just going to take him into custody so they don’t want to give him the “election interference!” out.
I thought general consensus is he isn’t realistically looking at jail time for this?
I don’t ever expect him to actually be held accountable, sadly. I just want to see the justice system actually functioning in a way that protects this country as a whole. Trump did a ton of damage personally to this country, but to see the entire court system, the only thing we have to stave off change through less civil means, is a pure joke is the greater tragedy for me.
We could always theorize the laws and voting and our representatives would prevent something like this former presidency from ruining our country, but what have we seen but paper tigers?
I think his crimes hold a maximum of 4 years in prison. But not a single person charged for them the first time has gotten prison time and usually get probabtion and a fine.
You’re correct on all those points.
The take by the legal experts back while the trial was ongoing all said with no priors and it being nonviolent crime that none of them expected him to see prison.
But if we never get him convicted of any crimes, it won’t matter very much.
But if we never get him convicted of any crimes, it won’t matter very much.
Texhnicslly, if we never see him sentenced for his convictions it won’t matter. He has 34 convictions.
If there’s no sentence, was there a point to a trial?
This whole circus is held up on the fact the Supreme Court is entertaining the idea that any of the things he’s charged with (or convicted of) can pass as him doing the job he was elected to do.
If he wins, this sentencing date will never come, and neither will any of the others. His acts will be officially sanctioned, and the only ones being sentenced will be us.
I agree completely, just wanted to make sure it was clear that he has been convicted.
Nobody else has his track record for repeatedly breaking laws though. His organization is criminal. His CFO has already done time twice. So did the lawyer representing him in this literal affair.
If Michael Cohen did time for the same crimes, Trump will do time for ordering Cohen to commit the crimes.
Will it be the maximum of 4 years? Likely not. And he’ll do whatever is necessary to not serve the full time, whatever it is.
This judge is a traitor
In an effort to not show bias they monumentally fucking failed. Not showing bias would mean following the fucking law regardless of who the person was or what their agenda was.
I’ve been saying this over a year ago… Trump will never see the inside of a jail cell. If you think the rich and famous are held to the same standards under the law, you should realize you just WANT to believe that, it is not something you’ll see in the real world
what the fuck, he was convicted, who gives a flying shit about his fucking candidacy.
Louder, so those in the
southback can hear itDo you think only southerners are trumpers for some reason?
I agree. The Bible belt still contributes to our problems, of course. But the rust belt really fucked us in 2016.
No, sadly, we were fucked by the electoral college
Not show bias, but demonstrate extreme bias.
No real changes here, next date to watch is Thursday, September 26th:
If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:
Updated 09/06/2024
Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, had been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity.The Supreme Court ruled that the President does enjoy limited immunity for “official acts”, it now returns to lower court to determine what, if any, of his acts leading up to 1/6 were “official”.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/supreme-court-donald-trump-immunity/index.html
On 8/27, a new federal grand jury re-indicted Trump on all four counts in a hearing this time excluding evidence barred by the Supreme Court.
“Judge Chutkan set a date of Sept. 26 for prosecutors in the office of the special counsel, Jack Smith, to submit an opening brief to her on the question of immunity.”
“Judge Chutkan told Mr. Trump’s lawyers to respond to the government’s submission about immunity by Oct. 17. She also told them to finish making their arguments for why they need more discovery information from the government by Sept. 19.”
“In her order, Judge Chutkan, an appointee of former President Barack Obama, set a deadline of Oct. 24 for Mr. Lauro to make a formal request to file the motion about Mr. Smith’s appointment.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/05/us/politics/trump-election-case-jan-6.html
Conviction
SentencingNew York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - Originally scheduled for July 11, 2024, then September 18th following the Supreme Court’s ruling on Presidential immunity, sentencing is now delayed until 11/26, after the election.https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/nyregion/trump-sentencing-delay-ruling.html
Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - October 4th, 2024 hearing has been set to determine if Fani Willis can remain on the case.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
SentencingFlorida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies. 3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial had been set to begin May 20, 2024, but was subsequently delayed indefinitely by the judge, and has now been dismissed outright under the claims that the prosecutor was not Constitutionally appointed.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-tosses-trump-documents-case-ruling-prosecutor-unlawfully-appointed-2024-07-15/Jack Smith appealed Judge Cannon’s ruling on Monday, 8/26 to the 11th circuit.
https://www.npr.org/2024/08/26/g-s1-19642/special-counsel-jack-smith-judge-cannon-appeal-trump-classified-documents
Conviction
SentencingOther grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.
There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.
The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.
While I love the detail and clarity of your posts, it is getting depressing seeing just how little actual progress has been made on holding him accountable.
Keep up the good work so if anything actually happens we will have a reminder that there was something.
