I know it’s been a running joke for years now, but jesus christ the iPhones still start at 128GB and the regular 16 is still 60Hz and USB 2.0.
USB 2.0? Can’t be serious… I thought it had to support USB-C
It is USB-C, but with USB 2.0 speeds
“Premium”. Goddamn.
USB C does have nothing to do with speed. There are lots of USB2.0 USB C devices out there.
The 60hz screen is ridiculous. They need to make the phone WAY cheaper and acknowledge it’s mid-tier. But Apple want it both ways - a premium brand charging premium prices and then shovelling bottom-end specs to funnel you to the even-more-expensive models.
I hate the stupidly low base storage, but personally am not impacted due to my usage patterns and having cheap cloud storage so I’m not as passionate with my disdain!
And here I am with 256GB that’s never even half full.
The only thing bothering me about the 16 is the 60hz. USB 2.0 and 128 GB don’t affect me tbh.
USB 2.0 isn’t just about data, It also limits charging speeds to 2.0 speed, so you won’t get USBC speeds even though it’s a USBC port.
No, it is only data. USB 2.0, 3, 4 refer to data speed. USB A/B/C refer to connector shape. There are min/max wattages associated with both of those, but USB Power Delivery is yet another USB spec that supersedes those limits, and it only requires USB on the power supply. That’s why USB-PD works on iPhones with Lightning ports, and why 140W power on MacBooks works through MagSafe (and not USB-C). Apple associates USB-C with charging speed to differentiate their charging cables, but the spec is about the connector, not speed. Though it never caught on, even a USB-A charger could deliver up to 100W via USB-PD 1.0. The first few Galaxy Z Flip models only supported USB 2.0, didn’t affect fast charging, and no one noticed.
That is simply incorrect. The non pro models charge just as fast as the pro ones. It has nothing to do with 2.0 vs 3.x
Well if we’re going to get pedantic about it yes but also no. Usb 3.0 also includes specs for fast charging that’s done by using both power lines at the same time. You have to use the 3.0 spec to be able to charge a 3.0 speeds, but just because you use the 3.0 spec, does not mean that it does charge at 3.0 speeds.
If x then y but not necessarily the inverse.
No. It does not supply power over the data lines. I am sorry, but this is simply not true.
Please, look up USB Power Delivery. It is independent of USB version.
Current charging speeds are fast enough IMO
I don’t really care about those but I guess the 16 mini wasn’t announced?
FFS, us 13 mini users only wanted that, hoping that maybe the mini will be made every x iPhone generation. Apparently it won’t be every 3 generations.
They’re not making a mini again. Ever. It’s ride or die with my 13 mini for at least a few more years.
the 11 still has the latest ios, you have a minute or 2 left with your 13 yet
Something people don’t realize is that we enthusiasts that know what usb 2.0 means, make up such a small piece of Apple customers.
Yeah, but it’s insane (but not surprising, I called it last year when everyone said that the base model would have 3.0 this year) that a high end expensive phone is still on USB 2.0
Agreed if more people cared it would be fixed.
Artificial marketing segmentation by selling obsolete tech taken to bloody extremes. USB 2.0 is an insult
It’s not like it’s the flagship model. The Pro is the flagship with ProMotion and USB 3.2. The non-Pro and SE are lesser ships in the fleet with lesser features. Same situation as the iPad Pro vs. Air and other models. I am squarely mid-range with my iPhone 13 mini and iPad Air 4, and the only Pro feature tempting me is Face ID on iPad because work authentication through Touch ID feels tedious compared to Face ID on iPhone.
Most budget phones have usb 3.0 these days. Here’s 74 phones under $300 with it. Many have had it for a close to a decade already. This is a transparent ploy to force people onto cloud services by making local sync incredibly slow.
Which days are “these days”? If it’s the past couple of years, the number is 13. That’s not most. Going back a decade, 74 out of 1,654 is also not most. Many? Sure. But most phones with USB-C are USB 2.0, and no one cares except people who don’t use iPhones but love to complain about them.
Most people are not going backwards to plug in their phones to backup data. Even those who do backup locally do so over Wi-Fi, which is now faster than USB 3. Fast, wired transfer is absolutely a necessity for professionals moving A/V data. The iPhone Pro is for them. For the rest of us, it’s not something I’d need, even if I was still doing regular local backup these days.
I use iPhones but hate the fact that I pay 3x as much as these phones for a sub par experience. I tried WiFi sync and it was unusable.
What are you guys storing in your phones? Mine hasn’t gotten anywhere close to full in years.
I’m starting to feel like I’m missing out on something important!
FLACs, Tidal’s downloads and cache, photos from work that I can use as evidence, and a fuckton of memes. My previous phone had 64GB internal and I just about filled it before it died.
photos from work that I can use as evidence
Offline storage of Spotify music plus some local music files, bloated messaging apps, and then the majority would be photos and videos. Having cloud storage like Google One and a NAS helps, but having local files is also good when signal isn’t great.
Videos, “live” pics, and like a decade of text messages (w/ attachment)
To me it’s something I just don’t want to have to think about. I already pay a lot for the device either way, so I want it to just work and not juggle around apps/media/etc.
My current iPhone is a 512 GB model and current usage is around 210 GB with photos already in iCloud. Record a couple of 4K videos and a 256 GB model would be full in no time (before uploading to the cloud, which can take a while when you’re on the go with flaky network conditions).
My next phone will have at least 512 GB again, and I’m thinking about 1 TB as well, although the upgrade pricing is quite steep.
Wikipedia in English and Russian, music and videos in case I’m offline, a bunch of games and emulators, photos and videos taken in the last 30 days (the rest are on Immich), A Linux environment (iSH) and a bunch of junk
I have ~80 GB free out of 512
Music. Which I like to listen to on my frequent plane rides.
4K videos of looking under the fridge
I had to stop that after I recorded myself on the other side doing the same thing. Whenever I watch the video it gives me a blissful headache.
Want to keep the flash on with the camera app open? Welp, guess you better start recording a video.
Would you like to see the 900 photos of my cats? Or would you like to see yesterday’s photos of my cats?
Not op, but yes, please.
It’s lame, but if you have kids, you’ll blow your storage every few months. MUST CAPTURE EVERY MOMENT OF THEIR LIVES THAT I’LL PROBABLY NEVER WATCH AGAIN
Hah, I had kids in the low-res era. By the time 4K rolled along they were already teenagers in the “put the camera away, dad” stage ;)
you’ll watch em someday, probably drunk and sad, but you’ll be happy you have them.
On one hand, yeah that isn’t great. On the other hand, would you literally ever notice? My new phone is 6 years newer and multiple times faster than my old one and the only functional difference I’ve noticed is OLED screen vs not OLED. Nothing ever lagged before due to hardware, hasn’t changed. Unless I’m using my phone as a USB drive, cord speed doesn’t matter. I presume I have 3.0 speeds from USB c, but it could be slower than 1.0 and I wouldn’t notice. 6 years of storage on my old phone got it to like 25gb used including the OS.
I can’t even begin to explain how much I notice it. So much that I made it my mission to replace all the screens I use with at least 120Hz, and I’m not even a gamer.
My laptop is 144hz and I leave my phone on 60 for battery reasons and I’ve not noticed any issues using my phone. Scrolled my app menu back and forth quickly to see if I was just ignoring it but that seemed fine.
I sync my music locally so I very much notice.
I used to, should do it again for when internet drops. Idk when USB C phones started being 3.0 so I’m not sure if what I was getting before was 3.0 or if I wouldn’t care. (Redmi note 8 pro is old phone if you care to compare at all)
I really don’t understand this trend outside of profit squeezing and pushing users to cloud storage subscriptions. Right now on Amazon $120 bags you 2 TB of 6 GB/sec consumer flash storage. Don’t tell me they can’t find another 128 GB, especially with economy of scale.
The year is 2024 and storage is cheap. No excuses.
You begin your comment saying you don’t understand. And then you state the exact reasons why. You do know. You just hope your wrong. You aren’t. Google (and Apple) have become worse then Microsoft.
It’s 100% to push people to cloud services.
Tim Apple needs to make sure his services department keeps growing its subscribers. Making the shareholders happy and secure his personal bonus payments.
Packaging flash storage onto the actual
SoCSiP costs more than manufacturing the same amount of storage into an M.2 or external USB form factor, so that price can’t be directly compared. They’re making a big chunk of profit on storage upgrades, and on cloud subscriptions, but it’s not exactly cheap to give everyone 1TB of storage at that base price.That’s fascinating. My understanding was that flash storage is not physically integrated into the SoC but rather remains a separate ship that is sometimes stacked vertically.
You’re right, it’s not the same die, but the advanced packaging techniques that they keep improving (like the vertical stacking you mention) make for a much tighter set of specs for the raw flash storage silicon compared to what they might be putting in USB drives or NVMe sticks, in power consumption/temperature management, bus speeds/latency, form factor, etc.
So it’d be more accurate to describe it as a system on a package (SiP) rather than a system on a chip (SoC). Either way, that carries certain requirements that aren’t present for a standalone storage package separately soldered onto the PCB, or even storage through some kind of non-soldered swappable interface.
Thanks! It’s nice to learn something new.
Yeah, this advanced packaging stuff is pretty new, where they figured out how to make little chiplets but still put them onto the same package, connected by new tech that finally allows for high speed, low latency connections between chiplets (without causing dealbreaker temperature issues). That’s opened up a lot of progress even as improving the circuits on the silicon itself has run into engineering challenges.
So while TSMC seemingly ahead of its competition on actually printing circuits on silicon with smaller and denser features, advanced packaging tech is going a long way in allowing companies to mix and match different pieces of silicon with different strengths and functionality (for a more cost effective end solution, and making better use of the nodes that aren’t at the absolute bleeding edge).
Engineers are doing all sorts of cool stuff right now.
Not using iPhone, but it’s also partly why I’m hesitant on switching to the Pixel 9 Pro. Base P9P is 128GB with option of 256,
and the regular P9 is 128GB only(Edit: it has 256 also). It’s criminal.the regular P9 is 128GB only
I’ve got the regular pixel 9 with 256. It’s not limited to 128, it just is the base model size.
I’m mistaken. Thanks for correcting! (Edit: looks like 256GB model is only limited to white and black, and the first color option on the Google store website is pink, which only has 128GB. Must be why I got mistaken. Thanks again!)
