• deegeese@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    19
    ·
    2 months ago

    Solan panels on vehicles sounds like a great idea but the physics makes it a stupid gimmick.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      You also have to clean them constantly in this application, I imagine.

      I guess they could make some kind of windshield wiper for the solar panels.

    • olicvb@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      How so? Is it that they aren’t efficient enough to be worth the materials it’s made from?

      • ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        2 months ago

        It’s cheaper to put a light roof on a car, buy the same area of solar cells, set them up to charge a battery, and charge the car off that battery, than it is to buy a custom, toughened, solar cell the area of the roof.

        Plus, you don’t have to haul around the extra weight at the worst location for weight in a vehicle.

      • deegeese@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        2 months ago

        Power to weight ratio favors permanent fixed installations. A car roof is far too small to make a useful amount of energy.

        • cogman@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          2 months ago

          Power to weight doesn’t matter as we are talking about using a solar panel instead of a roof. There’s no added weight. The car will already have inbuilt inverters so the only real weight add is the wiring. But also, this is a postal vehicle which will have large swings in weight anyways. A couple of extra pounds doesn’t make a difference here.

          Further, this isn’t a car, which has a much smaller surface area. These things have about 10 square meters of flat roof. That’s a peak output of ~3kW. (realistically, probably closer to 1.5kW average throughout a day) which translates into 12kWh of charge in any given day. Roughly 10% of the battery capacity could be restored daily.

          For large vehicles, like delivery vehicles and busses, the math on making the roof out solar panels instead of steel changes.

          • Fondots@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            2 months ago

            A roof only needs to be a thin piece of sheet metal, weighing somewhere in the neighborhood of 1-2lbs per square foot

            Most solar panels are going to weigh somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-4lbs per square foot. So is likely the panel would weigh 2-4 times as much as just a plain metal roof, plus possibly a metal roof under it and/or additional framing to attach the panels to, so power to weight does absolutely come into play.

            • cogman@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              3
              ·
              2 months ago

              That comes in at an additional 400lbs on a vehicle that weighs 6,670 lbs if you assume the maximal weight of the panels and the need for a metal roof anyways. That extra 6% weight just doesn’t matter. 6% losses range for 12% free charging seems like a worthy tradeoff to me. (and again, this is the maximal value).

              • Fondots@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                2 months ago

                6% weight increase doesn’t necessarily mean a 6% efficiency loss, it’s not a simple linear relationship like that. Depending on the power of the motor and a few other factors that 6% weight increase could mean a huge hit to efficiency.

              • deegeese@sopuli.xyz
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                ·
                2 months ago

                That extra 6% weight just doesn’t matter.

                LOL weight is incredibly important. Automakers would kill puppies for a 6% weight reduction.