• Mrkawfee@lemmy.world
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    The intention is to “liquidate” Gaza like the Wermacht liquidated the Warsaw ghetto in 1943. It is an annihilation. Hamas and the hostages are just the excuse.

    Zionists did the same thing to the rest of Palestine in the Nakba of 1948. Israelis now call this the Gaza Nakba.

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      Nor do they want to rescue the hostages. It’s all an excuse to carry out death. In Gaza and the West Bank.

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    Because it’s a genocide. The point isn’t to just take out Hamas and say “mission accomplished”, it’s to take out the entirety of Palestine and say “we tried our best to save them”. Hamas has to continue existing in order for Israel to keep justifying every extension to this war.

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      But then why commit any ground troops at all?

      If they just wanted to wipe out Gaza they’d have done it on Oct 8th. Could hardly take more than an hour.

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        Because they just might actually find some of the hostages. Also it’s a great way to corral people and aid, and keep them separate.

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          But they aren’t separate. Gaza is receiving so much aid from Israel they say they’re running out of places to put it.

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            Yup all of the international reports from NGOs and the UN are wrong. Israel says so, so it must be true right?

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              Yes! They deliberately omit most of the food aid entering Gaza, to deliberately undercount calories per person. That’s not according to Israel; that’s according to the UN itself.

              That’s why the UN has predicted “mass famine” but it never actually happens.

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                Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?

                And it very much is happening. It’s happening right now and has been happening for months now.

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                  Are you talking about where they don’t count the food Isrealis turn around?

                  No, the food that goes in. The UN analysis deliberately excludes up to 70% of the food aid entering over the Israeli border into Gaza. All told it’s 3500 calories per Gazan per day, since Oct 7 - well shy of “famine”, entirely the opposite.

                  These figures have been verified by independent observers and by the UN.

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        If I had to guess, I’d say funding and plausible deniability are the big reasons. The longer the war wages on, the longer the US and other allies keep sending them money and weapons. And killing them off slowly makes it easier to argue to the ICC that you weren’t trying to commit genocide, it just kinda happened as an oh-so-unfortunate side-effect of defending themselves.

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          What “plausible deniability”?

          If they spent two hours killing everyone in Gaza, it’d be over before anyone could do anything about it. And then what? Nobody’s going to war with a nuclear power in revenge for Gazans. Bibi just stops visiting Brooklyn and nothing happens.

          But they don’t do that. The Jews of Israel bleed and die to save the lives of Gazans who hate them. I wouldn’t, but they do.

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            It took the Germans a while to liquidate the Warsaw Ghetto. The Zionists have killed 200,000 so far (according to the Lancet) and rendered all of Gaza uninhabitable.

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              It took the Germans a while to liquidate the Warsaw Ghetto.

              Only because they used starvation instead of air power. Israel sends 3500 calories to Gaza per Gazan per day; that’s more food per day than a person eats in Luxembourg.

              The Zionists have killed 200,000 so far (according to the Lancet)

              You surely mean “according to a letter someone sent to the Lancet, using a methodology that counts currently-living persons as “fatalities.”

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                If you believe that then I’ve got a pile of international NGO and UN reports you need to read.

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                Israel israhellonearth sends 3500 calories to Gaza per Gazan per day

                Rockets and bullets don’t count.

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    A ton of the Hamas leadership have been assassinated since the war began, there’s always replacements though

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    Err… did I misunderstood the question, or do (nearly?) all commenters have no idea what they’re talking about?

    You’re asking why Israel doesn’t assassinate Hamas’s top leaders, right? Or did I misunderstood and you asking Israel doesn’t ONLY assassinate Hamas’s top leaders? Or are you asking why Israel responded differently to Munich?

    To answer the first question, well… they are. Hamas’s top leaders according to BBC are:

    • Ismail Haniyeh - Killed.
    • Mohammed Deif - Probably killed.
    • Marwan Issa - Killed.
    • Mahmoud Zahar - Alive. is 79 years old and might not be active/influential in the leadership.
    • Khaled Meshaal - Alive.
    • Yahya Sinwar - Alive.

    Also, keep in mind that the response to the Munich massacre took about 2 decades.

    As to why Israel dosen’t ONLY assassinate Hamas’s leadership, the simple answer is that it won’t solve anything. It won’t bring the hostages home (It will probably have opposite effect as a. it will leave Israel without a centralized entity with whom to negotiate and b. Sinwar might be using hostages as human shields, which also might explain why he’s still alive), and it will still leave Israel with a terrorist entity next door. The official Israeli version is that the assassinations, among other things, serve as leverage on Hamas leaders to secure a deal. Obviously, this is only effective if there is some leadership left.

    If you’re asking why Israel responded differently to Munich, it’s because the situation is totally different in numerous ways. But the question itself is also factually wrong - Israel didn’t only assassinate the leaders of Black September. Firstly, the goal was to “assassinate individuals they accused of being involved in the 1972 Munich massacre”, not just the leaders. Not only that, Israel also responded with raids and bombings (for example: 1973 Israeli raid in Lebanon).

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    Because the genocide is the point.

    Israeli leadership have admitted to funding Hamas’ displacement of the secular moderates with predictable results - the only credible explanation for this is that it was to manufacture the pretext for their current actions.

    #justautocraticfascistethnostatethings

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    My guess is that assassination isn’t as easy as it is made out to be in the movies. The CIA, the best funded intelligence agency in the world, tried to take out Castro hundreds of times and failed. They couldn’t find Osama for a decade, either, and even then the US used Seals, not the CIA. Sure, killing some rando is probably easy, but not a government leader who is actively avoiding assassination, as I’m sure Hamas leaders are doing.

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    Wrong question and framing.

    Israel’s goal is not to get rid of Hamas or their leadership.

    Their real goal has been to continue the genocide of the Palestinian people so as to take 100% control of the Palestinian land and to kickout the natives.

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    Even according to Netanyahu’s own statements, the Israeli war aims are the complete destruction of hamas. That’s more than leaders. Before this began, estimates put the al-Qassam Brigades at 30-40k strong. So if we take Netanyahu at his word (which I don’t recommend) then that would be the minimum for killed/captured before he could declare victory.

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    Update tou your question, though this targeted towards Hezbullah and not Hammas: Bro they just took ~2000 of them with pinpoint accuracy in one go!

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    Because most of the Hamas leadership isn’t in gaza. They’re protected in other countries that are funding and arming Hamas.