Fascism is Capitalism’s immune system, activated when the wealth gap gets too large.
Maybe we shouldn’t be using an economic system whose immune system has historically lead to genocide, especially in an age where nukes are now a thing.
If it’s protecting capitalism, wouldn’t you mean when the wealth gap is too small? As in it is a driving force of the wealth gap?
No, as the Petite Bourgeoisie are proletarianized by the formation of Monopoly Capitalism, the Petite Bourgeoisie aligns with the Bourgeoisie against the Proletariat, who at the time gain class consciousness and are increasingly sympathetic to Socialism and Communism. Fascism is a defense mechanism against Communism.
Activated when the people get’s too aware of the exploitation and begins fighting back
How is national socialism a mask for capitalism?
Because the Nazis were Anticommunist, antisocialist Capitalists.
national ‘socialism’ my fucking ass
One time I had a brain fart when I was reading about the United the Right rally and was confused why “national socialists” were there lol. Aren’t socialists left? Then I was like “…oh. literal Nazis.”
You can’t actually combine Nationalism and Socialism as Socialism is directly opposed to Nationalism. Mussolini went over this many times how “It is an error of Socialism to exclude Nationalism”(paraphrased), the Socialist aspect is reduced to the future where the “others” have been eradicated, which will never actually happen as Hitler went from “There are 5 white races” to “All Mediterraneans have been negrified” and I’ve no doubt he would eventually consider all slavs to be “mongolized”.
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“Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.” - Benito Mussolini
I‘m not disagreeing with what you’re trying to convey but still: Mussolini very likely never said/wrote that, seems to have been misattributed. IF he did, the Italian word corporazioni, while technically translating to corporations, doesn’t refer to private companies, which in Italian are normally called società.
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It needs another frame showing that feudalism never went away. Capitalism is just a way to walk us all back to feudalism.
Not really. Capitalism was born from feudalism, but is entirely different in character.
Outside of small city states, capitalism came from merchantislism.
Specifically, at the intersection where merchantislism and mass dispossession/theft of people’s land meet.
The only meaningful change is that the assets are now, mostly, intangible and you’re allowed to move to a different parish.
Some people still think billionaires are just like us. They aren’t. Their mentality is 100% different than the average person. Even basic things like their concept of money is extremely different and almost alien to ours. We think of money as the thing that we need to survive, the thing that keeps food on the table and a roof over our heads. Having a good deal of money for the average person is a source of comfort. It allows us to know we don’t have to go hungry and we can afford medical care when we are sick.
For billionaires money is an abstract concept. They operate on such massive sums every day that the idea that a few thousand dollars can make or break someone is inconceivable to them. When Elon Musk bought twitter he was originally kidding, but when the owners forced him to, raising the 44 billion dollars did nothing to harm him. In fact, his net worth increased greatly not too long after he shelled out amounts of money that would literally have ended world hunger several times over. Money is a source of leveraging power for them and they aren’t afraid to ‘lose’ a lot of it because they know they can get it all back with remarkable rapidity.
Borders also don’t exist to them. If Zuckerberg or Bezos wanted to go to India, or Zambia, or China, or Germany, or Finland, or the UAE, or wherever, they doesn’t have to concern themself with things like visas or residencies or whatever. They could go and set up shop wherever and not need to concern themselves with that.
They legit do think of themselves as being gods and are vastly superior to us. Their view of the poor being leeches on society while they are the providers when basically everything shows the opposite is not something they find contradictory. In their minds the population at large exists to serve them, not the other way around. This is why tech bro start ups that have created enclaves in some third world countries and they steal massive public resources for their projects all while imposing their own extra-legal or illegal restrictions on the poor is not seen as a problem because they really do view black and brown people as perpetual slaves that must be shown their place time and time again least they forget.
It is definitely leading us directly to a type of feudalism though. Where power is held by billionaires and corporations instead of local warlords.
Capitalism is changing, yes, but towards Monopoly Capitalism, aka Imperialism, not feudalism. Centralization of Capitalism isn’t the same as feudalism.
that’s just capitalism, capitalism creates monopoly
Facsism is just capitalism when you try to say no.
Understandably, workers didn’t like capitalism. So, when they found out about socialism, many of them grouped up and tried to say no. After which, facsism was made to counter this.
So, I mean literally fascism is just capitalism when you try to say no. You only get mercan staal neo classical economics because you say yes.
Stereotypical ml post
Is it wrong?
Yes
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Which part?
IBM, IG Farben, Coca Cola, Hugo Boss, Volkswagen, Krupp, and many others were just doing regular business. And “privatization” definitely wasn’t something invented by the Nazis. Got it.
The order is wrong by like… A significant amount of time. Enough where this is clearly less effort.
OP implied Capitalism isn’t the economic base of fascism, the way I read it and were I’m responding to.
The term privatization was, however, coined to describe what the Nazis were doing during the 1930s.
Yes? What do you think I’m saying?
machine learning?
I thought it was machine learning to, but I am fairly sure it stands for Marxist Leninist.
Lemmy.ml is what they are talking about.
Not really, stereotypical would be having a liberal in the last frame
Unsurprising .world comment
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How do you block all .ml posts?
Settings | Block instance 👋
Thank you
I love the way they evict themselves
An anarchist would take off the capitalist mask to reveal hierarchy
Wouldn’t the state also be in the frame before the capitalist at the end?
I’m an ML but no, states are more fundamental than capitalism. There were states prior to capitalism and they will likely exist after capitalism, but capitalism cannot exist without a state as the special apparatus of class oppression.
As an ML though you could argue that states are downstream of the economic circumstances that force their development
Yeah, you’re probably right
Capitalism is a hierarchy so true as well
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, et al: am I a joke to you?
Horseshoe theory is horseshit, and Pol pot was as much a communist as Hitler was a socialist, which is to say not at all.
I never claimed he was. My point is that it doesn’t matter what particular holy book any genocidal maniac waves around.
Neither Stalin nor Mao were genocidal. Famines had been a common occurrence in Russia and China throughout recorded history. Soon after their socialist revolutions, Russia and China experienced one more famine, and have not experienced one since. They ended famines.
Well, Russia experienced two more, but one of them was very directly due to WWII
Oh dear oh dear oh dear. I have nothing to say to that.
What do you think happened instead?
Good, because you’d get dunked on lib
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That is the famine I’m talking about.
when you definitely understand what fascism is
You’re on .ml so yea tankies being tankies…
Illiterate too, Hitler wrote of Jim Crow as a model for Germany in Mein Kampf.
Most of the deaths under Stalin were from the conman Trofim Lysenko, who created “Lysenkoism” (a set of farming techniques he was faking the data on to get paid), and under both Mao and Stalin were from unwanted famines.
no but u are
If everything is to be shared under communism, wouldnt that include political power? That would make communism a direct democracy. Does that sound like the countries you have in mind?
Perhaps there is a better unknown way to live our lives that we haven’t discovered yet. How would we ever discover it if we just allow the status quo to persist? Capitalism doesn’t even have tens of thousands of years of precedent like feudalism has. We unmake feudalism in much of the world, one day we will unmake Capitalism.
I bet a large portion of the population would agree that how we live our lives… is bullshit and needs to be replaced. We just don’t agree with what to do next.
we should try new things until everyone’s needs are met. This way of life is worthless as it only works for the 1%.
4·2 months agoCapitalism doesn’t even have tens of thousands of years of precedent like feudalism has
Feudalism doesn’t have tens of thousands of years either.
Behind the Nazis is what they learned from Trail of Tears and US antebellum slavery. Behind that, you get Rome.
It’s war. War is behind all fascism.
Solution to the problem: ban right-wingers, impose socialism and if rich people get too noisy send secret services to deal with them Pinochet-style. Bam, capitalism defeated in a few years.
Not that simple.
Nah, it is. Seize all their assets and if they complain, again, some Pinochet-style methods that will bend them to our knees.
Sorry, patience is over and right-wingers and their financiers must be dealt with the appropriate way.
Again, not that simple. Read The State and Revolution.
Sorry, tired of world going to shit and if we need someone that makes Stalin look like a kitten to fix it, so be it.
That will not fix it. You’re advocating for adventurism, not leftism.
adventurism
Adventurist leftism, maybe?
No, adventurism.
You and what army?
This is what I would do if I were in power.
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I’d do it differently.
I would fund a massive advertising campaign preaching equality, fairness, and cooperation
I would use the tax system to weaken the cycle of intergenerational wealth (the ultra wealthy spend borrowed money which is settled by their estate on death; I would tax bequests to banks; I would tax inheritances above a pretty high limit.
It would take time. The aim would be to have a much more level wealth distribution
Nah, fuck that. Dictatorship, right-wingers get treated Pinochet-style (eye for an eye) and if rich lobbyists try to make a mess, take their families as hostages. Fuck good manners.
Seize who’s assets exactly? The second you draw a line and say anyone on the other side has fewer rights than you, you’re falling right in line with those same right-wing policies.
There is no way to define a law against “right-wingers” that doesn’t infringe on basic rights like freedom of opinion and freedom from discrimination. You can’t punish people for being part of a group. You need to point to something specific that each individual has done that is illegal before prosecuting. Anything less and society will break down into fascism.
Seize who’s assets exactly?
Rich people’s
The second you draw a line and say anyone on the other side has fewer rights than you
Nah, just do it against rich people.
There is no way to define a law against “right-wingers” that doesn’t infringe on basic rights like freedom of opinion and freedom from discrimination. You can’t punish people for being part of a group. You need to point to something specific that each individual has done that is illegal before prosecuting. Anything less and society will break down into fascism.
Fuck this fake democracy then.
In simpler terms, it’s greed.
It’s systems built to reward the exploitation of the many by a few powerful individuals. It’s not a sin that is the issue, it’s the actual political-economic systems that are currently being maintained.
That’s too close to a “it’s just human nature” asspull too often used to justify capitalistic skullduggery.
The CSA precedes the Nazis. In fact, Nazi race laws were partially based on slavery laws from the southern US.
