I’ve heard the legends of having to drive to literally everywhere (e.g. drive thru banks), but I have no clue how far apart things are.

I live in suburban London where you can get to a big supermarket in 10 minutes of walking, a train station in 20 minutes and convenience stores are everywhere. You can get anywhere with bus and train in a few hours.

Can someone help a clueless British lemmyposter know how far things are in the US?

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Here are my walking distances:

  • To the nearest convenience store: 250m
  • To the nearest chain supermarket: 350m
  • To the bus stop: 310m
  • To the nearest park: 400m
  • To the nearest big supermarket: 1.3km
  • To the nearest library: 1.2km
  • To the nearest train station: 1km

Straight-line distance to Big Ben: 16km

  • Reyali@lemm.ee
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    I’ll just use the same criteria you gave as an example.

    • To the nearest convenience store: 1.5mi (2.6km)
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 1.8mi (2.9km)
    • To the bus stop: 0.5mi (800m)
    • To the nearest park: 0.3mi (480m) - I’m lucky to have several parks in my neighborhood
    • To the nearest big supermarket: 2.1mi (3.4km)
    • To the nearest library: 2.2mi (3.5km)
    • To the nearest train station: 5.1mi (8.2km)

    Edit: I live in a mid-size city (300k) on the east coast.

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      nearly 3km to convenience store or supermarket… in a city? i get the other comments with similar numbers but they said they’re in the middle of nowhere, in the suburbs and such.

      also i live in such a big city that 300k feels like a small neighborhood.

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        I was going to call it a “small” city but Google told me that 300k is mid-size so I went with that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        The city is ~350 sq km and our tiny downtown area is probably about 1 sq km, so the entire city is kinda like a suburb. Heck, I’m from Houston which is known for its urban sprawl, and yet there’s lower population density where I live now.

  • How_do_I_computah@lemmy.world
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    The US is pretty big man and things are different in different regions. England is only as big as Alabama.

    In the cities you can walk to places or take much more limited public transportation.

    Every one outside of the city has a car though. Drive through banks, fast food, pharmacies, and even liquor stores are a real thing.

    My commute to work is ~40 minute drive and some of that is at 129 kph.

    I rarely walk anywhere for anything besides pleasure. There is a restaurant within ~10 minutes walk but most roads don’t even have sidewalks here and people don’t always pay attention while driving

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    It is fucked here unless you own property already in the good parts or you are upper class income and can move your ass into the good parts despite the obsene costs.

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    • To the nearest convenience store: 1.3km (small supermarket)
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 2.25km (Trader Joe’s)
    • To the bus stop: 321m (busses 30 minutes apart)
    • To the nearest (public) park: 1.1km
    • To the nearest big supermarket: 2.89km (Safeway)
    • To the nearest library: 1.3km
    • To the nearest train station: 1.8km

    Straight-line distance to Golden Gate Bridge: 11.6km

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    So first of all, the US is big and diverse, if you hop in a car and drive from New York to LA without stopping, taking the fastest route, mostly on major highways, averaging out to something like 60+mph (about 100 km/h) you’re still going to be spending just about 2 days in the car.

    And in between, you’re going to see a little bit of everything, mountain, plains, forest, farms, huge dense urban cities, towns small enough you can barely even call them a town, suburban sprawl, massive industrial facilities, you name it you’re going to see it.

    Overall, if you live in an urban area, the situation may not be too bad, cities are somewhat walkable, there’s public transportation that will usually get you fairly close to where you need to go, there may even be protected bike lanes, etc. although the situation will vary wildly from one city to another.

    It will even vary from one part of the city to another. You can have large sections of the city where there’s no real grocery stores or other places to get your basic necessities, and you’re pretty much limited to whatever you can get from corner stores, bodegas, convenience stores, etc. (mostly pre-packaged and processed foods, and if you’re lucky maybe a couple pieces of fresh fruit) and if you want anything more than that you’re probably looking at taking a few hours out of your day to walk a significant distance to a store or take public transit that may not go exactly where you need it, may be slow, expensive, or just a pain in the ass to deal with, etc.

    Getting out into the suburbs, it’s again kind of a crapshoot. There are some walkable suburbs, with wonderful shopping options, there’s some that are a maze of residential developments and gated communities that come off of major roads with no sidewalks or even shoulders worth speaking of and you’re taking a significant gamble trying to walk anywhere from there. There may be little or no public transportation and if there is it may not be going anywhere you need to go, or be convenient to get onto

    Personally, I live towards the rural end of the suburbs, about an hour or less from a major city depending on traffic.

    Damn near everything I could ever want or need is within about a half hour drive, and most of I commonly need is covered within about 15 minutes.

    If I don’t have a car though, my options drop off significantly. I’m looking at an hour walk one way to get to a grocery store, mostly along a long winding road with little or no shoulder and few streetlights. The only things I would really feel safe to walk to are 2 pizza shops, a small hardware store, a bar, a CVS, and gas station/convenience store, those last 2 are going to be about a half hour or longer walk, and along that winding road, but it’s a stretch that at least has a half decent shoulder and some lawns to walk on for most of the way.

    If you have a bike, there’s a decent bike trail that will get you to some more shopping options, but it’s about an hour’s ride one way.

    If you need to catch public transit, you’d have to walk about 2 hours to catch a bus, that line basically runs straight up and down a main road between the city and a larger, urban-ish town further out in the suburbs. There’s not many options to transfer to anywhere else along the way but there’s a lot along that route so if you can get to that bus most of your needs will be covered, but it doesn’t run super frequently and it’s not going to get you anywhere in a hurry.

    Getting out into rural America, you have some small towns that are functionally self-contained, with their own grocery stores and other shopping options in-town within walking distance. Your options are limited but for the most part everything you really need is right there in town.

    If you don’t work in town though, and often people in these areas don’t, they may be involved in farming, logging, oil/natural gas, construction, etc. and may work many miles from town, you’re pretty much screwed if you don’t have a car, or at least can count on carpooling with a coworker.

    There’s other small towns where there just isn’t much of anything at all, maybe they have a gas station and a liquor store, and if you need anything else you’re SOL, in some cases you may be looking at an hour or more drive to get to anything else so you can forget about walking.

    Regardless of where/what kind of area you find yourself in, transportation between cities is often going to be an issue. You can probably catch a Greyhound bus or maybe Amtrak or similar between most major cities, though you may have to get a little creative with figuring out your route, but if you’re trying to get to the smaller towns in between you may not have much luck.

    There are, of course, nearly as many exceptions and special cases to everything I said as there are individual towns and cities.

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    I moved from a UK city to a town on the edge of Dallas.

    There was a crossroads with a strip mall. grocery store, dentist, food places etc, about 15 minutes away, but it was often too hot to walk. Anywhere beyond that was too far to walk.

    Everything was so spaced out there. All the shops were surrounded by big parking lots. It was hard to even perceive that I was on a street with shops, at first, because everything was so far away from the road.

    Now I live in a quiet street in suburb of LA. There’s a main street about 10 minutes away. So within 20 minutes walk I can visit restaurants, grocery stores, etc. Even a British supplies store to get real chocolate. Bus stops, library, doctors, dentist, opthalmologist, and a hospital, too.

    But if I want a big department store, I’m driving 15 to 30 minutes.

    The broader LA area doesn’t really have a center, just clusters of shops and malls at bigger crossroads. It seems endless. I could drive 50 miles to Newport Beach for vacation and never be outside a city.

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    The US is a huge place with lots and lots of different types of communities. From my understanding, some of the older cities on the east coast may have old town walking districts that are probably more like what you’re used to.

    I will give you a personal example. I live in Silicon Valley, not in San Francisco or Oakland but rather in what some might call a suburb of those cities, though my “town” has over 80k residents. I live in an area of my city that was once unincorporated and is about two miles from the old town city center. The closest grocery store is 0.7mi from me according to Google maps, and it’s a small family-owned grocer that I’m super happy to have. The larger supermarket is a mile and it’s down a large stroad.

    It takes me about 45 minutes to drive to SF with no traffic. If I want to go to Los Angeles, it’s a six hour drive minimum without traffic going 80mph.

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    It isn’t just that things are too far to walk, it’s that American car companies have made it part of our culture to own and drive, and it’s unpatriotic to do otherwise. That causes a severe lack of public transportation and sidewalks and bike lanes. So because of all this, I have to drive a mile through my neighborhood to get to a 7-Eleven that would be a quarter mile if I walked.

    • I have a coworker who believes “they” are trying to get us all to live in 15 minute cities so that we can’t have cars because that’s how they’ll keep us from… Driving to other cities? I don’t know, keep us from… something good, I guess?

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    Depends on location, but I don’t think I’m too bad.

    • To the nearest convenience store (more than that, really; a drug store and mini grocery store): 400m
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 2km
    • To the bus stop: 100m (but the bus doesn’t go many places
    • To the nearest park: 600m (a small park, a much larger one 2km away)
    • To the nearest *big* supermarket: 6km
    • To the nearest library: 2.5km
    • To the nearest train station: 2km for local rail, like 25km for rare intercity trains
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    Nearest grocery store is a little over 3 miles. Libraries about four and a half miles. Nearest passenger train is about 200 miles away. I think there’s a bus stop about half a mile away but I don’t know if it’s a full-service one.

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    Highest annual average miles driven per driver is Wyoming with 24,069 mi per year or about 65.898 mi a day.

    Lowest is Rhode Island with 9,961 mi per year or 27.272 per day

    The top 10 populous cities have the average physical distance between as 1241.3, 1070.5, and 1073.7 miles for places, urban areas, and core-based statistical areas, respectively.

    The longest driveable stretch between two populations of any type is over 5,000, but the USA also has several pacific territories.

    Btw I know you people tend to get confused so to prevent you from crashing and dying:

    1 mi = 1.609344 km

    1 km = 0.6213712 mi

    Example:

    1241.3 mi * 1.609344 km/m = 1,997.6787072 km

    As far as walking is considered, theres a ton of grid plans as well as cul de sac plans in the USA which are frankly inferior for walkability compared to our European Neighbors.

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    According to wikipedia, the contiguous 48 states of the US (which occupy the middleish part of North America) are 8,080,464.3 km2, compared to Europe’s 10,180,000 km2, so that should give you an idea. My country is nearly as big as your entire continent, thus things are very spread out. Also our entire modern culture was designed around cars, suburbs and racism, so towns are flat, expansive and nothing is close to anything useful unless you have a car—woe to those without (myself included).

  • Chainweasel@lemmy.world
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    I live in rural Ohio and I drive about 40 miles (65 km) round trip a day just getting to and from work, and that’s pretty average for a rural area.

    The nearest grocery store and back is about a 15 mile (25 km) round trip.

    In the rural areas, which account for most of the land area of the US, things are far enough apart that it makes it impossible to survive without a vehicle.

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      Rural areas accont for most land in europe as well. East of the mississippi the us is overall similear density to europe - less dense but not by much.

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    Depends on the place like everyone else has said.

    • To the nearest convenience store: .3 mi
    • To the nearest chain supermarket: 1.1 mi
    • To the bus stop: .3 mi
    • To the nearest park: .5 mi
    • To the nearest big supermarket: 1.1 mi
    • To the nearest library: .5 mi
    • To the nearest train station: 30 mi