This case is quite similar with Disney+ case.
You press ‘Agree’, you lost the right to sue the company.
Forced arbitration is unjust and should be outlawed. It’s only legal in 7 other countries: UK, Canada, Australia, Ireland, Saudi Arabia, China and India.
That’s right: 4 countries that are essentially US lapdogs, two dictatorships and one that’s on the fast track towards becoming one.
Also, you can totally see how America is so much better and totally different than China. The more I look at both, the less I can tell the difference.
But at least in the United States, there is hope.
It’s not really legal in the UK. It’s unenforceable on claims under 5k and for claims over 5k the courts will make a case by case decision if arbitration is appropriate.
However, lots of companies still add these bullshit clauses as a way to bully people out of seeing a lawyer.
It should be illegal for companies with a legal budget over X€ to have illegal clauses on their terms and conditions.
For sure and, even then, in uk law, you can’t sign away your freedom to take regular legal action against someone who caused you damage, due to their illegal actions. Something like the one in the article would be, rightly, dismissed as a repugnant clause.
Is it really called a “repugnant clause?”
Lol yeah, what these sorts of things would be dismissed as is literally called a “repugnant clause.”
FYI it is the other way around. The British Empire spread Common Law around the world. Here is a Wikipedia’s Page (Common Law section) which explains the spread:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems
This is why we occasionally get courts referring to Ancient precedents from England.
The US has twice as many parties as China. If that ain’t a major difference then I don’t what is /s
Caught yer /s and adding to it a variation of the quote that usually goes here:
The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.
-Noam Chomsky
There’s the Left Butt Cheek Party and the Right Butt Check Party, both from the same ass hence why you get the same shit from both.
That was true through the Obama administration.
I don’t know what is going on now.
lapdogs
The Whitehouse is 12 years overdue for its 200-year reno. Are you angling to get it done for free?
Edit: guess some folk are still pissed about the war of 1812… Either that or they really hate The Arrogant Worms…
Off topic, but since this is Lemmy, I choose to interpret your political assessment as,
- 4 US lapdogs: UK, Saudi Arabia, China and India
- 2 dictatorships: Canada and Australia
- fast becoming a dictatorship: Ireland.
If you look at the list all those countries were influenced or under control by the British Empire.
I mean, that’s true, but correlation v causation and all that. The list of countries “owned or influenced by” the British Empire includes a lot more than just these 7, and yet the forced arbitration club is a small one, so I’m not 100% sure I agree with your police work there, Hal.
Inb4 a few decades down the line “Father blocked from suing Amazon after their death squads gunned down his entire family for sharing his prime video account, say they agreed to Amazon terms”
Inb4 a few decades
a few decades is a long time, I think it will happen in under 2 years
For anyone needing this https://www.pandadoc.com/blog/how-to-terminate-contract
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And they’ll keep getting away with it as long as corporations are treated better than actual people. And you know they put shit like this in the agreements because they know nobody reads them. And every time we get complacent or blame someone else, it only gets worse.
you know they put shit like this in the agreements because they know nobody reads them
That’s only half of the problem: even if you carefully read what you agree to, if you refuse agreements that include a forced arbitration clause, you have no other choice because all companies foist it on you.
In other words, if you refuse forced arbitration, you essentially have to opt out of normal life, because there are no alternatives.
In this specific case, society could have built a more fair transportation system, such as safe public transit, effectively providing an alternative to uber and a way to avoid agreeing to the terms.
Uber was taking notes from Disney.
the problem here is obviously corporations running the world. the solution is obviously terrorizing them into submission. the government ain’t gonna save you.
AntiCorpoTerrorism… Cyberpunk much…
You best start believing in
ghost storiescyberpunk dystopias. You’re in one! - cyborg Captain BarbossaYes. This is what I always tell people: “We don’t get StarTrek, we get Blade Runner”
You and I have probably been telling people that for quite some time now, by now it should start to become plainly obvious to anyone who looks.
Why does the law allow this? Where in from you can write whatever the fuck you want on a contract but it doesn’t make it legal. If the shit in the contract is insane , a court would just refuse to enforce it
Well, that is exactly what happens in the vast majority of cases, and almost certainly what’s going to happen here.
That’s not to undercut how shitty a practice it is, it mostly serves to discourage and dissuade people from trying to sue in the first place.
There absolutely needs to be a penalty for even trying bullshit like this. Maybe disbarring whatever lawyer thought it was a remotely good idea will send a message
Cyberpunk 2077 was on to something about Corpos. This is just evil.
Not Cyberpunk 2077, but cyberpunk - the genre of science fiction.
CDPR didn’t invent it - it’s been a thing for many decades.
I hope the state supreme court allows them to keep their right to a jury trial. It clearly states in our 7th amendment it is preserved for any case above $20 and that it will always be upheld. There is no alternative in the wording, it is so clearly written and if it is ignored I want to see all the judges bank account and donations because the constitution for jury trials are clearly written and cannot be told in any other way.
Uber looked at Disney and thought “hmm yummy, get us some of those sweet backlashes”.
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what the fuck… Really? Again?
“How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man!?”
Another reason to avoid uber of any sort.
This is fucked. But I have a question. Why does Uber need to bother relying on the daughter’s agreement with Uber Eats? Surely the parents as Uber ride share users already agreed to similar terms no? Is this their way of testing this in court to see how far they can push it and set a precedent?
their daughter clicked “agree” when presented with updated terms and conditions while ordering food via her mom’s Uber Eats account.
Yes but wouldn’t the parents already have agreed to such terms when they first signed up for Uber, long before their daughter clicked to accept the updated terms on Uber Eats (which presumably is a different app.)
Not if those terms weren’t in the original ToS agreement.
Just fyi, über has one app. Covers both ride booking and food ordering.
Not on my phone
Perhaps a regional thing? Mine is one app.
My guess was either regional or OS; I’m in Canada, running Android
