The New York lawmaker responded to Fetterman's dismissal of her call on Monday for an arms embargo on Israel, which has received billions of dollars worth of weapons and other military aid since the Hamas-led October 7 attack.
No one’s being called a trumpist or Russian because they oppose genocide, they’re being called that because they insist on pretending that splitting the vote in favor of the fascist party won’t make the genocide they claim to oppose even worse.
That doesn’t stand up to scrutiny when you’re talking about a tiny platform full of entrenched pro-genocide centrists. Who do you imagine this vast Russian conspiiiiiiiiiracy to say things centrists don’t like on lemmy is going to convert?
We’re not talking about a platform of entrenched pro-genocide centrists, we’re taking about a platform of predominantly leftists. Now, many of those leftist are capable of critical thinking, so they don’t just parrot every half-baked idea they hear just because the person saying it claims to be an Authentic Communist™.
As to who it’s supposed to convert, that much is also obvious to any leftist with critical thinking skills: impressionable young idealists. Get them to refuse to support the “pro genocide centrists” out of a noble sense of justice, and the pro-genocide fascists clinch the win. Putin wins, Netanyahu wins, the military industrial complex wins, and those poor schmucks think they stuck it to the man while the fascists laugh their way into the White House.
a platform of predominantly leftists. Now, many of those leftists are capable of critical thinking, so they don’t just parrot every half-baked idea they hear just because the person saying it claims to be an Authentic Communist™.
have you done the leg work of letting your congress critters know you don’t support biden or harris on israel and that we need to implement an arms embargo? if not gtfo. until then I will continue to advocate people vote with their conscience. because I have done the work. biden/harris are blinking we need to push harder before the end of the month. I’m literally sitting here with my ballot waiting for harris to make an announcement prior to voting.
have you done the leg work of letting your congress critters know you don’t support biden or harris on israel and that we need to implement an arms embargo?
Yes.
I will continue to advocate people vote with their conscience. because I have done the work.
And you don’t understand electoral strategy, clearly. My conscience won’t allow me to sit aside while the fascist party wins, increases support of Israel, and spearheads genocide at home and abroad.
Of course I would prefer a candidate that aligned perfectly with my ideals and stood a chance of winning. There is not one. The only rational voting strategy is to select whichever of the viable options is less bad. In this election, that is undeniably Harris.
This game of chicken you’re playing has literally never worked. Harris will not pivot of Palestine because you and a bunch of terminally online performative leftists. They’ll go to the middle to find moderates if they need to.
No one can compel you to vote rationally, but I will continue to remind you and the people that make the same ineffective argument: if you “win” and Harris loses, things get considerably worse for women, minorities, LGBT, Ukrainian and, yes, even Palestinians.
Neo-libs in a messy connection with AIPAC are by no means perfect, but they are objectively better than the fascists who live Netanyahu and want to help him finish the job in Palestine and nuke Iran. The only people claiming different are those same fascists, and their useful idiots.
My conscience won’t allow me to sit aside while the fascist party wins
well clearly it will and so does harris’ since shes unwilling to commit to not enabling a genocide. pretty low bar shes failing to step over to get some easy votes. no one has said she isn’t allowed to defend israel if they’re attacked. shes just needs to commit to enforcing the law on the books about supplying arms to countries commiting genocide.
And you’re correct no one can compel me to vote rationally. the funny thing about acting rationally is that the definition of rationality is that it depends on the goal. My goal is to get harris to commit to upholding our laws on not selling to genocidal maniacs like bibi. Harris needs my vote (and others) to do so. just like she needs my vote to protect all those groups you mentioned, which if she was committing to a policy that endangered them I’d do the same thing.
first they came for the palestinians, but I was not a palestinian so I didn’t speak out… seem familiar?
so email your critters let them know you support a embargo on israel and that you want harris to make a commitment in the next week and if she does you have my vote and likely 40K minimum more in a swing state. worry about the zionists another day they’ll be fine. all you need to do is give harris permission. go forth and do so, repeatedly daily for the next week.
pretty low bar shes failing to step over to get some easy votes.
Israel is an ally. She can’t get those easy votes without losing votes from moderate Israel-supporters. If those moderates outnumber the view she could get, she winda up with a smaller total. Why would she do that?
And you’re correct no one can compel me to vote rationally. the funny thing about acting rationally is that the definition of rationality is that it depends on the goal. My goal is to get harris to commit to upholding our laws on not selling to genocidal maniacs like bibi.
Well then your actions are irrational because they do not help accomplish your goal, despite your fantasies to the contrary.
Harris needs my vote (and others) to do so.
Eh, she needs enough votes. She doesn’t need yours specifically. If she can’t get yours, she’ll shill to moderates to get theirs, because strategically that’s much smarter than alienating a large, reliable bloc in order to gain a portion of the much smaller, much less reliable bloc you represent.
just like she needs my vote to protect all those groups you mentioned, which if she was committing to a policy that endangered them I’d do the same thing.
Again, doesn’t need yours, just enough. You can be part of that “enough”, or force her to look elsewhere.
first they came for the palestinians, but I was not a palestinian so I didn’t speak out… seem familiar?
How exactly are the Palestinians, or the other minorities down your slippery slope, supposed to benefit by Harris losing? Harris is in a complex quagmire restricted by geopolitical red tape and AIPAC funding. The other guy loves Bibi and wants to help him finish the job.
so email your critters let them know you support a embargo on israel
Done, like a year ago.
and that you want harris to make a commitment in the next week and if she does you have my vote and likely 40K minimum more in a swing state. worry about the zionists another day they’ll be fine. all you need to do is give harris permission. go forth and do so, repeatedly daily for the next week.
This is pure nonsense. On multiple levels. I’ll leave you to your delulu
I certainly have by some of the Zionists on here. Even though I’ve also repeatedly said to vote for Harris, despite also criticizing her and the Biden Administration for their actions on Gaza and capitulation of right-wing framing on immigration
You’re the first person to make a connection between Lemmy, caring for something, and Trump/Russia. You trolling?
If you’ve never been called a trumpist or a russian on lemmy for opposing genocide, it’s because you’ve never opposed genocide on lemmy.
Happened to me before I made this account, and it’ll happen again.
No one’s being called a trumpist or Russian because they oppose genocide, they’re being called that because they insist on pretending that splitting the vote in favor of the fascist party won’t make the genocide they claim to oppose even worse.
That doesn’t stand up to scrutiny when you’re talking about a tiny platform full of entrenched pro-genocide centrists. Who do you imagine this vast Russian conspiiiiiiiiiracy to say things centrists don’t like on lemmy is going to convert?
We’re not talking about a platform of entrenched pro-genocide centrists, we’re taking about a platform of predominantly leftists. Now, many of those leftist are capable of critical thinking, so they don’t just parrot every half-baked idea they hear just because the person saying it claims to be an Authentic Communist™.
As to who it’s supposed to convert, that much is also obvious to any leftist with critical thinking skills: impressionable young idealists. Get them to refuse to support the “pro genocide centrists” out of a noble sense of justice, and the pro-genocide fascists clinch the win. Putin wins, Netanyahu wins, the military industrial complex wins, and those poor schmucks think they stuck it to the man while the fascists laugh their way into the White House.
Yes, we are. We’re talking about lemmy.
Yes, Lemmy, predominantly leftist
have you done the leg work of letting your congress critters know you don’t support biden or harris on israel and that we need to implement an arms embargo? if not gtfo. until then I will continue to advocate people vote with their conscience. because I have done the work. biden/harris are blinking we need to push harder before the end of the month. I’m literally sitting here with my ballot waiting for harris to make an announcement prior to voting.
Yes.
And you don’t understand electoral strategy, clearly. My conscience won’t allow me to sit aside while the fascist party wins, increases support of Israel, and spearheads genocide at home and abroad.
Of course I would prefer a candidate that aligned perfectly with my ideals and stood a chance of winning. There is not one. The only rational voting strategy is to select whichever of the viable options is less bad. In this election, that is undeniably Harris.
This game of chicken you’re playing has literally never worked. Harris will not pivot of Palestine because you and a bunch of terminally online performative leftists. They’ll go to the middle to find moderates if they need to.
No one can compel you to vote rationally, but I will continue to remind you and the people that make the same ineffective argument: if you “win” and Harris loses, things get considerably worse for women, minorities, LGBT, Ukrainian and, yes, even Palestinians.
Neo-libs in a messy connection with AIPAC are by no means perfect, but they are objectively better than the fascists who live Netanyahu and want to help him finish the job in Palestine and nuke Iran. The only people claiming different are those same fascists, and their useful idiots.
well clearly it will and so does harris’ since shes unwilling to commit to not enabling a genocide. pretty low bar shes failing to step over to get some easy votes. no one has said she isn’t allowed to defend israel if they’re attacked. shes just needs to commit to enforcing the law on the books about supplying arms to countries commiting genocide.
And you’re correct no one can compel me to vote rationally. the funny thing about acting rationally is that the definition of rationality is that it depends on the goal. My goal is to get harris to commit to upholding our laws on not selling to genocidal maniacs like bibi. Harris needs my vote (and others) to do so. just like she needs my vote to protect all those groups you mentioned, which if she was committing to a policy that endangered them I’d do the same thing.
first they came for the palestinians, but I was not a palestinian so I didn’t speak out… seem familiar?
so email your critters let them know you support a embargo on israel and that you want harris to make a commitment in the next week and if she does you have my vote and likely 40K minimum more in a swing state. worry about the zionists another day they’ll be fine. all you need to do is give harris permission. go forth and do so, repeatedly daily for the next week.
Israel is an ally. She can’t get those easy votes without losing votes from moderate Israel-supporters. If those moderates outnumber the view she could get, she winda up with a smaller total. Why would she do that?
Well then your actions are irrational because they do not help accomplish your goal, despite your fantasies to the contrary.
Eh, she needs enough votes. She doesn’t need yours specifically. If she can’t get yours, she’ll shill to moderates to get theirs, because strategically that’s much smarter than alienating a large, reliable bloc in order to gain a portion of the much smaller, much less reliable bloc you represent.
Again, doesn’t need yours, just enough. You can be part of that “enough”, or force her to look elsewhere.
How exactly are the Palestinians, or the other minorities down your slippery slope, supposed to benefit by Harris losing? Harris is in a complex quagmire restricted by geopolitical red tape and AIPAC funding. The other guy loves Bibi and wants to help him finish the job.
Done, like a year ago.
This is pure nonsense. On multiple levels. I’ll leave you to your delulu
I certainly have by some of the Zionists on here. Even though I’ve also repeatedly said to vote for Harris, despite also criticizing her and the Biden Administration for their actions on Gaza and capitulation of right-wing framing on immigration
Yeah, actually amazing that the hasbara people bother with this tiny platform. It’s admittedly a small number of usernames that keep returning.
Literally using my joke unironically as proof that I’m somehow a troll. I couldn’t write this as satire if I tried.