Donald Trump, such a great candidate that you have to pay people and offer them cash prizes to get people to vote for him…
That’s the message here.
Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)
I mean, if it’s clearly illegal then can we, you know, apply the law?
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No.
Can we “eat” him then? Make it a big ol dinner party everyone invited.
Hate that I’m writing something that defends Garland a bit but arresting Musk two weeks before the election could be a huge backfire.
But if he was selling loose cigarettes on an NYC street…
Musk isn’t running… You can’t give famous or wealthy supporters legal immunity just because they’re famous and wealthy and vocally support one side or the other.
…so yes, you should hate yourself for trying to make that defacto case.
What a Bunch of nonsense. You’d rather have a hissy fit and turn thenarrative into charging the world’s wealthiest man, thus supporting Trump’s weaponization of DOJ rhetoric than wait for a couple of weeks. Guess you were never spanked as a child.
maybe they weren’t, since not spanking children leads to better outcomes for them. Emotionally and cognitively.
Researchers are also finding that physical punishment is linked to slower cognitive development and adversely affects academic achievement
You watch something blatantly illegal and not even in a moral grey area going on and your take away is that stopping it would be wrong?
What are your values?
My takeaway is doing something about it before the election is probably a mistake. It has to do with reality, not values.
How you see reality is based on your values.
Reality is such a practice encourages Trump and Musk to keep compounding illegal acts to win.
A lot of people think if two groups disagree then just picking the middle makes them better than either, likely because it may make the two sides court them so they feel important. Which would explain the pro-spanking stance too. The people who fall into that were often attention starved as children and view any attention as a positive.
So when you get full blown fascism on one side, and ineffectual pro-corproate neoliberalism on the other…
Those people may very well say that the correct path is in-between the two.
In this case letting a billionaire buy an election for the fascist and then honestly say with a straight face:
arresting Musk two weeks before the election could be a huge backfire.
Like if one mob wanted to burn their house down, and another mob wanted to burn half, they’d pat themselves on the back for “negotiating” to have 75% of their own house burnt down, and declare everyone has to be satisfied because it’s a compromise.
What a Bunch of nonsense.
What is the nonsense and why are you bringing up child abuse like it helps people?
Musk is actively doing damage and blatantly breaking the law…
And you think the best plan is to ignore it till after the election, completely ignoring this is targeted at battleground states in a tight election?
Like, did you see how long it took to hold people accountable after 1/6?
What’s important is stopping it now with an injunction.
Pro Tip: One thing about spanking a child having a hissy fit, they learn they seldom pay off.:
No they don’t.
They learn that pain is a valid motivator and consequences only come from being caught.
They don’t learn to follow rules.
Like, it’s 2024, this has been widely studied…
Did nobody tell you? I have a degree in psychology so maybe my expectations are too high, but you’re honestly the first person I’ve seen in at least the last decade say child abuse is an effective strategy
Your inconsistency is that you thought my comment was a hissyfit, and needed your tough and immediate response, but you don’t think someone illegally interfering with an election is a hissyfit, or needs an immediate response.
You’d prefer that this election interference be allowed to happen, be left to effect the election… And only be addressed later - after the election has been interfered with.
You want to walk on eggshells because you’re scared of what your abusers might do. It’s battered woman syndrome (no it’s not gendered happens to lots of people, particularly kids).
The desire to stay quiet or not make trouble out of fear of what might happen if you speak up, or get outside help.
Might explain your focus on corporal punishment, maybe you’ve seen stuff like this happen on a personal level.
You seem like you’re in a bad place. Try to focus on the good things in life, things that make you happy, and make you want to move forward and keep going.
First time in American is it?
He will claim is was a joke in court.
‘Locker room talk’
i’m telling yall. this is a self defense situation.
Rich people feel like they can do anything they want and usually the law lets them do so. I hope he faces some type of punishment for this.
Elon Musk and promising people money you’ll never actually pay out. Name a more iconic duo
If Mike Lindell is any indicator, maybe this is a good thing.
Donald Trump and promising people money you’ll never actually pay out.
Merrick Garland & fecklessness?
Remember: the reason Garland got nominated for SCOTUS in the first place was that he was so conservative Obama figured Mitch McConnell couldn’t possibly object to him.
Merrick garland was actually recommended by one of the senate GOP members, Grassely, who headed up the senate judicial commitee. He said Garland would be “reasonable” choice that Obama would never nominate.
So Obama nominated him to make a point, and the Senate tsk tsked anyway and refused to fill the seat for the first time in its history.
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Put him behind bars for that and I start believing that the government takes this vote seriously.
It’s not actually illegal. He is paying a lottery to people who register to vote. Similarly, Cards Against Humanity is paying people who didn’t vote last election to make a voting plan.
It’s illegal to pay someone to vote regardless of if it’s for a side. Neither instance goes far enough to be considered against the law as written. Cards Against Humanity states that it shouldn’t be and it’s fucked up that it is.
You need to really read what CAH says… it’s only paying you to apologize, make a plan to vote and post a comment about Trump on social media. Nome of that goes as far as this lottery.
It doesn’t pay you to register to vote. I read the whole website when it started
I’m going to lower the bar:
If the government issues any sort of indictment in the next 3 weeks, I’ll agree that they are taking it seriously. Even without bail.
Also this is just an illegal lottery
Stupid rich people trying to take advantage of ‘stupid’ poor people.
Stupid rich people taking advantage of the flaws in American law enforcement and of the American judiciary system
This is a case where max jail time is needed. 5 years for each bribe.
Served consecutively, not concurrently
Exactly!
Except he’s not paying people to vote. I hate arguing for the guy, but what he’s doing is not illegal. It should be, but it’s not.
Cards against humanity is paying democrats in swing states who didn’t vote last time to apologize, share something bad about trump, and make a voting plan. They’re showing how far you can go and still be legal, saying it should be illegal.
The article says what he’s doing is clearly illegal, and backs it up with the law that he’s violating. He’s offering, through a lottery, a chance to receive payment in order to incentivize people to register to vote. CAH is probably treading close to the line, but I can’t say it’s clearly illegal. What Musk is described as doing seems to be pretty clearly illegal, to me.
Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both
Can you explain why you don’t seem to think what Musk is doing is illegal?
Did you read the article…? They’re saying it is illegal to offer money to register to vote.
Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307©: “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)
The best part about this is that unlike a lot of the other illegal shit his PACs are doing, Musk can’t separate himself from it and say he wasn’t personally involved. He personally handed out the giant check.
If Harris wins, and if her administration actually decides to crack down on this shit, Musk could end up behind bars. I’m not holding my breath, but it’s a still a pleasant thought.
The first rally he came out for trump, he flat out said “if trump loses I’m fucked”.
It’s logical to assume if he’s being this blatant because even a little digging would show obvious crimes.
He’s already fucked, he has no other option than to double down with blantant shit.
All the more reason to act now, the election is in two weeks, but if looking into this gets a head start to find some shady shit before January…
Well, it’s probably all hypothetical, Biden wouldn’t have the balls to do anything.
That’s what you get when you nominate someone because he “has been able to work with Republicans his whole career”
That wasn’t why he was given the nomination, it was the excuse given for why it had to be Biden.
Like, I have a very low opinion about the intelligence of the people running the dnc…
But they couldn’t be stupid enough to believe that shit, even if Biden honestly did.
… shall be fined not more than $10,000 …
Pocket change.
Make him pay it for each entrant. It’s probably still pocket change because a hundred billion dollars (or whatever it is now) is effectively infinite money.
Sometimes the depth of the hole we’ve dug ourselves is just astounding.
The worst part is, he isn’t even American. Imagine if Americans would go into a foreign country and try to influence the elections… Oh wait.
Putin rubbing his fingers with glee rn. If this doesn’t get prosecuted, I know what he’d do.
