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we would be infinitely happier if you wore nothing
You haven’t known true freedom till you had your nutsack flutter in the wind in front of a bunch of strangers
verily. winter is not kind to flapping though
That’s why you laminate them first. It’s insulating.
I don’t want any woman to suffer hypothermia.
I wish it was socially acceptable for men to wear the colorful stuff women do on formal occasions. It’s almost always black, white, grey or maybe dark blue.
I want things like paisley suits to be considered normal. Why not? It’s just a pattern.
I’m not saying it because I want to do it, I’m saying it because I want to see it. Make congress a sea of color rather than a bit here and a bit there.
I honestly wish more stuff that is shown on runways would make it over to men. There’s a lot of fun that can be had. Plain suits are boring, even if you add color to them.
That last one looks like a pirate and I want it
Last one rocks so fucking hard. I’d wear that shit to bed.
These days if I see something on a runway, I assume that’s the only time I’ll ever see it. But I like the designs.
These are from 2016, so I don’t think we’ll see this unless some fashion company resurrects the idea.
The middle one in top picture looks like a stolen star wars costumes xD
Oddly enough. The first place I saw this was 3yrs ago in a reddit thread on /r/funny, because they said it was only missing a light saber.
First 3 look like final fantasy protagonists
I wish it were acceptable for men to wear bright dresses.
I said that to my wife a few months ago, so she said “why don’t you try on some of mine?”
So yeah, I now have few dresses I wear around the house. They’re great. Nice and floaty.
Yeah, dresses are pretty comfortable. I did a couple of things in high school that I guess you could consider drag, except I was playing this old lady character I invented that would ramble on and on about very little in a Harvey Firestein voice because she also chain smoked.
Anyway, I wore dresses for that. They were quite comfy. It would be awesome if a man could wear a formal dress to a formal occasion and not get stares (unless the stares were at that amazing dress he’s wearing).
I don’t even see it as drag, because I’m not dressing as a woman. I’m a guy wearing a dress, not a guy trying to be a woman.
Because when you really stop think about it, it makes no sense that clothes should be gendered. What is inherently ‘female’ about a dress, beyond the expectation that only women should wear them. I mentioned that somewhere on here before, to which one guy mentioned that swinging dicks might be an issue, and right, two things: 1) underwear exists, and 2) I don’t know about anyone else, but my dick doesn’t swing that low. Perhaps I’m unlucky.
But yeah, the older I get the less sense it makes that we must dress in a specific way based on what genitals we have.
I kinda just want to feel like my clothes look pretty sometimes. Women can dress masculine with barely a mention, so why can’t I dress feminine sometimes?
That’s what I told the judge - Your Honor, I wasn’t impersonating an officer, I just look good in a uniform!
Sorry, I didn’t mean to suggest it was drag. I just was suggesting that’s what you could have called the times I wore a dress.
It shouldn’t be drag. It should just be normalized.
It’s cool, I wasn’t being pissy.
But yeah, exactly that.
Not me, I hear dresses can be drafty.
Depends on where you are, init. It was bloody glorious during the summer, walking downstairs, gathering a ball of cool air in the skirt. When it gets cold, wear leggings.
Get a kilt for the out and about look, my good fellow. While wearing one will draw some looks, it is far more acceptable and good-looking and practical than an ill-fitting woman’s dress.
Lad’s got the legs for it!
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Kilts are the answer.
I’m very close to getting one from here
All power to kilt wearers, but I feel that it’s an inherently different thing. It’s a specifically gendered garment, a ruggedised, masculinised form of skirt that it’s acceptable for some men to wear. Cool though they are, they’re not as fun and floaty as a light skirt and a pretty dress.
Uh…it is en vouge I think. Depends on your audience, but most of the kids these days are wearing flamboyant suits and they look sharp.
I wouldn’t go to 80 olds on very nice retirement plans for fashion advice.
Perhaps consider looking for decorative belt buckles, tie pins, cufflinks and similar suit accessories. It might not be flamboyant, but it may make your day. It provides that extra touch.
Or bring multiple bow ties and change them throughout the party just to mess with people.
those are socially acceptable though, the post your replying to is expressing a want for wider social acceptability. Imo look at the formal kimonos and jackets worn in japan. Many of those were heavily decorated for both men and women.
Any ideas on how to transition men’s fashion? Could start with elaborate patterns and decor on suits. Shirts already have patterns of flowers, or birds on em. Why not suits too?
I think something like this yeah. I think particularly more like formal jackets with embroidery or prints.
Wear flannel?
I have always wanted a kilt. But it’s not socially acceptable where I live and frankly impractical 6 months out of the year due to well below freezing temps. No one would say anything directly to your face, but you would be stared at and talked about behind your back by everyone.
Congress is already a sea of color: green.
Colors yeah
Suits nah thank you
I feel like you can, however it seems men take themselves too serious when dressing well. If you take yourself too serious as a man, wearing for example a pink suit will make you insecure.
So dark, solemn colors are easier to accept.
I wear suits for work and have them dark, but my social suits are light and colorful ( light blue, purple) and regardless I’ll wear fun and colorful shirts with them.
I don’t know that you can in business or political situations. I think if a man showed up to a business meeting or a legislative session wearing a paisley suit, they would get screamed at about not having proper decorum.
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How exactly would we get food if we did that?
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I’m pretty sure relying on food stamps and soup kitchens is not a revolution.
And if you’ve ever had to survive that way, you’d know it’s fucking horrible. Especially if you have kids.
So I guess keep wishing because people don’t want to have to resort to that.
Especially if you have kids.
Exactly, I’m fine with being on edge, but its not right to force that on kids if you can help it.
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Yea I agree with squid that we should not consider the soup kitchen the place of liberation.
I would say as a guy who has dressed in colorful formal attire when I worked in corporate jobs that you don’t get punished. This meme is like when conservatives say “you can’t say anything anymore”. Obviously you can, and frankly most of the backlash is made up.
See: John Fetterman
I think he catches a lot of flack for his attire
He had to give up and wear a suit because they passed a resolution forcing it.
My fancy shirts are colorful silk patterns. I got bored of the old traditional formal wear, and I like the attention I get now.
I once found a sick purple/red paisley suit jacket.
At the register my family pleaded I not get it. That it’s embarrassing to wear.
I feel you
Bring back 16th century men’s fashion. Landsknechts were some stylish dudes
I’m doing my part, I’m a Hawaiian shirt guy!
Nice. I used to be, but I wear T-shirts that amuse me most of the time these days.
Dress like Saul Goodman!
Remember the Obama tan suit debacle?
Also paisley all the way.
This guy shops at Better Call Saul’s
I had an ex tell me once that I wore too much brown and dull greens.
Since then I’ve been aware of my color choices and have a lot of “loud” colors in my wardrobe. I will even intentionally wear clashing colors and have made it a style choice.
I still have browns and dull greens, but I have fun with them now.
All that said, I’ll wear something until it starts wearing out then that’ll be relegated to chore/diy project clothes.
Bullshit - women don’t buy new outfits every day, they own a number of clothes they wear repeatedly and they get along fine. It’s time for this silly complaint to die.
Unsure if pedantic or autistically literal
Or just moronic.
I don’t think I’ve ever noticed anyone wearing the same outfit multiple times. I couldn’t tell you what any of my coworkers are wearing today, because it’s been over 10 minutes since I looked away from my screen. I’m assuming people do reuse their clothes though. I know I don’t throw them away after wearing them exactly once.
My old boss is an exception - she had a different outfit for every day, and every single one of them looked like it’d taken more consideration to put together than I’ve ever put into clothing. So when she wore the same thing again sometime later, it was noticeable only because you were already conditioned to expect something new every day. Never heard anyone make a comment about repetition though - only compliments about the styles.
I notice when someone wears the same T-shirt multiple times but most people don’t have a million T-shirts. If you wear your Metallica shirt a couple of times a month, cool. You’re a Metallica fan apparently.
Other than that, I don’t notice.
As a guy, I definitely don’t give two shits about anyone wearing the same outfit. Heck, I dress like a cartoon character: I buy seven identical shirts, seven identical pants and just wear that until things need replacing.
To an outside observer, it would look like I literally have one outfit that I wear for two months straight. I very rarely switch up a shirt when it’s either too hot or cold, but other than that, I like to keep it really simple.
Love it!!
No one is interested (or should be interested how many different clothes you have at home). Or how many good friends did you ever make because they have been wearing different cloth every days for two weeks?
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You’re not far off. My basic outfit since 2020 is a pair of blue jeans and a burgundy polo shirt. I picked red because the previous series was blue, and also because I’m a Tom Scott fan.
I’m probably going to transition to green polo shirts for a while as it’s been red since the pandemic. But the next color usually is determined by whatever polo shirt I can find in my size, and in stock so I can buy five to seven of them.
I am a wildly boring person when it comes to fashion.
Your seven shirts and seven pants only last for 2 months?
No no - I’m saying that’s usually the longest uninterrupted stretch of me wearing identical outfits. I might throw on a sweater if it’s a REALLY cold day, or a T-shirt if it’s way too hot, but otherwise I’m rocking a plain burgundy polo shirt and jeans all seasons.
The clothes themselves obviously last much longer.
Clothes really don’t interest me much beyond being functional and fitting OK. I also don’t wear expensive brands. I do spend good money on good shoes though, as those are important for your feet health.
Ah, I see. I have been wearing a simple black T-shirt, a black pants that is either a jeans or a cargo pants and depending on the weather a sweater and a jacket for about 25 years now. Hence I am aware how long single clothes may last and was a bit confused, but that makes ydncd now.
How is that a ‘privilege’? I don’t know like you but for me the ‘privilege’ is something above normal, above standard, above majority. A king has a privilege of not paying taxes, everyone must pay them but not him, he has this privilege. A diplomat has a privileges that are above law, like they cannot get fine for speeding. We could say a kid whos parents are billionaires has a (hypothetical) privilige in life where they can get everything they want and family budget isn’t affected. That is not normal and only few chosen ones have those privileges.
So back to my question - not being judged by the way you look is not something above normal. That is the standard, that should be a norm. I don’t know how we want to call the situation in the post but that’s not a privilege. At all. Rant over.
The first person in the graphic was saying that men have privileges above what women have. Which is partly true bc while we are the same, we are not equal - and women likewise have privileges that men do not.
The second person shut them down by pointing out the hypocrisy behind the statement. Women actually do have that same identical privilege as men… but only so far as men are the ones judging.
So women are not second-class citizens due to men putting them down, and rather it is women who are judging other women by different standards than they choose to judge men by.
My own take: dare to be different:-).
Good, I agree. And I still argue that the word ‘privilege’ isn’t correct here. We want to call this ‘double standard’, ‘unfairness’, ‘disadvantage’, ‘advantage’, … that’s up to a debate. But I rest my case that this isn’t a ‘privilege’
To quote source of all truth - Google first page:
privilege
/ˈprɪv(ɪ)lɪdʒ/
a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.
“education is a right, not a privilege”
But this is presented as a “story”, an internet back-and-forth. The girl up top started off by accusation that it was a “privilege”, and she was wrong, but she used the term bc she thought she was right.
From her childish logical POV, men had that “privilege” above “normal” - her normal. Men had that “special right”, that “advantage”, that “immunity”, granted only to the particular group of humans in her world who are men yet denied to women. So it wasn’t her word choice that was wrong - the word accurately described her childish way of looking at the world.
She was, however, wrong. Sort of. Mostly. Bc while men grant that non-special right to everyone regardless of gender, women only grant it specially to men (and not even all women do, it’s a special kind of outdated Victorian cultural attitude that does so).
So what I am saying is that the word “privilege” was correct here… not in spite of but because it is wrong -> it is used to show how wrong the underlying concept is.
To quote the immortal Al Bundy: ‘don’t try to understand women, son. Women understand women, and they HATE them’.
That’s still patriarchy.
I would imagine gay men would care even less.
I would not be so certain tbh. I know a gay guy in the fashion industry and I bet he would judge women.
Then again probably straight people in fashion would do the same…
That doesn’t change anything. The reality is the issue at hand. Is there is a double Standard? Is it very prevalent through out our culture? should it be changed? These are the issues.
Far too often people take any form of feminism to be all encompassing of the most extreme views they’ve heard, or even that others have claimed without reason. Feminism isn’t oppositional to men, it’s not even blaming men, just like toxic masculinity isn’t about ‘‘men bad’’ because it includes problem like ‘‘men are conditioned to repress their emotions which is harmful to men’’ and ‘‘men being drafted and not women perpetuates a view that men are disposable, this is a really negative view that’s deeply harmful to men’’
It’s not about who’s to blame, who is the enforcer, where did it begin. And not every privilege is a insult to the group that has it. Women do have privileges as well, they are less likely to be suspected of child sexual abuse in professions with children, They receive far less prison time for convictions, they get favored in family court rulings. This doesn’t negate all Feminism, nor does it disparage women, these are very borad social realities, that are difficult to change. There are Feminists who have advocates to include women in the draft, there are women who have tried to put forth changes in child rearing to reduce the chance a boy will grow up to be emotionally repressed. It’s not about who is to blame, it’s about seeing a double standard and working on it.
I agree with most of what you said. However, this poster seems to be framing this particular issue as an example of men enforcing a double standard on women. If that’s not what they intended to convey then they should choose a different way to express their idea that better communicates the intended message.
I disagree. The first tweet IS right. It is male privilege that men can wear the same outfit multiple times, and it doesn’t imply it’s enforced by men, it just states that it exist. The fact that women enforce this double standard IS male privilege even when men aren’t to blame
Got it. Even when men aren’t involved in it, even when they don’t much notice, it’s still men’s fault.
Thought experiment: tell us what isn’t somehow men’s fault.
That wasn’t what I said. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt tho, and try to explain it. You are somehow thinking that having a privilege in a system is the privileged’s fault, when in reality they are too a victim of the same system. Of course men aren’t at fault here in this situation, but they still have privilege in it. In this scenario that means men don’t have to worry about repeated usage of clothes the way women do, so they are in a favoured position, they are privileged. This is what it means. No one here is saying that men are the culprit of this system, rather that men don’t experience the same social pressure when it comes to clothes.
I see what you’re saying but I don’t think it truly works that way in practice. As an example, what do we call the fact that women can wear lightweight and breathable clothing (dresses / skirts / spaghetti straps) to work when it’s hot while men have to wear pants and long sleeves? Based on your description it seems like that would be called female privilege but I don’t think I’ve ever heard that phrase used in a genuine fashion before.
That, I think, is why the inference is drawn that men are being blamed for creating the situation when the word male privilege is used. It may theoretically refer to a concept that applies to both men and women but in practice you only ever hear about the situations in which men are seen to benefit. If we don’t have the other side of the conversation then it feels like that other side doesn’t exist even if it is intended to.
“Based on your description it seems like that would be called female privilege but I don’t think I’ve ever heard that phrase used in a genuine fashion before.”
I don’t get the concept that you need to hear other people use ‘female privilege’ specifically in some kind of way for there to be privilege to be applied to women, that’s a very strange Idea, white women in particular have often been used as the biggest examples of white privilege, both as the persons being favored and the enforce or catalyst of violence. You seem much more wrapped up in some kind of sectarian US Against THEM dichotomy rather than even engaging with the discussion.
English Is not my first language, but I agree that should be called female privilege. The same when women don’t get drafted. I think that inference you mentioned is one of the reasons people have negative thoughts about feminism, when in reality all it aims to do is get rid of the different social pressure men and women receive. The point of feminism is not to hate men, but to disentangle our society of harmful expectation, to make it more fair for both men AND women. Circling back to the clothes thing, feminism would have it for women to not be judged by women for repeating clothes, and to give another opposite example, feminism would have it for men to have an easier time entering childcare.
What gives you the impression they are framing it that way?
I responded to another comment along the same lines here if you would like to see it. I would be happy to continue a civil discussion with you if you have more to add.
It seems like you’re taking from the phrase “male privilege” an accusation that this is somehow men’s fault. I think the other commenter said it perfectly well, just because a privilege is afforded to a group doesn’t mean that group is responsible for that privilege. It’s still a privilege that they have.
In your example, wearing dresses might well be considered “female privilege”, yes. I doubt you’d hear this talked about because it’s quite minor, but you’re not wrong. Another example which illustrates it well is “pretty privilege” - we all know that life is easier for attractive people. That doesn’t mean they are oppressing average or unattractive people personally. They just have advantages. Not their fault, still a privilege.
That is actually spot on. 😂
I just asked one hundred men. They said no, they don’t care. They suggest not wearing anything is better. Also. Did you you gals take the keys? Most men are currently looking for them. We are sure we used them yesterday after work to park the van. C’mon gals! Where the heck are th…found them! The keys where behind everyone’s couches. Sorry! Yes we will take out the trash, but we gotta go check with Dave first. He had some stuff he was working on in all of Dave’s garages. Rick too, but mostly Dave. We’ll be back by 7…mmmkay?
Jesse what the hell are you talking about
Sorry Tony. I just woke up. I don’t know. I’m not the same man who wrote those words. In the Internet, no one knows if you’re a dog, a bag or snails or a pack of crazy rats all tied to the keyboard.
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