They didn’t 1v1
In their defense, they were so good that they started fighting everyone at the same time. That single mistake is the reason we don’t speak German right now. Current day fascists are much more fragile and stupid in comparison. If they got crushed back then, modern day ones can too.
Well, not to defend the nazis or anything, but they did manage to make considerable amounts of damage and it took multiple great powers working together to beat them back.
That’s how Fascists work though. They pick fights with bigger and bigger opponents – because they’re invulnerable, you see – until they lose. Their economy was absolutely insane, and required flat out pillaging their neighbours. Eventually your neighbours are too big to pillage.
Isn’t that not just an imperialistic trait, not necessarily a fascistic one? Franco’s Spain didn’t collapse, while it was still very much fascistic.
All the while, this trait is very much applicable to the Roman, Ottoman, Soviet or US empires.
I would say that Imperialism overlaps Fascism, but (one of the) difference(s) between the two is that Fascism goes a lot harder into Ultranationalism. Under Imperialism you have a King or Queen, and they are ordained by God to rule. Under Ultranationalist Fascism your race (or whatever they count as ‘race’, nation, etc) is what makes you superior to everyone else. It was a lot harder to get people to fight for Kings and Queens they only knew from coins, than to say “we’re fighting those EVIL (other nation people), whereas we are the PURE nation.”
Another difference is that Fascism adores and requires total war. Imperialism wants to expand, but Fascism wants to dedicate every aspect of the nation towards that goal. There’s that enigmatic ‘other’ that has to be destroyed, because it is both a weak and strong opponent. Fascism also says ‘violence is good for the nation, if directed properly.’ This means your January 6’s, your political assassinations, etc, are all highlighted as good things. ‘Drain the swamp’ kind of rhetoric becomes literal violence to allow people being killed.
As mentioned below, Franco’s Spain was quite bizarre, in that it had a lot of different traits (including fascist ones).
Imperialist nations can abandon overseas colonies, ‘let’ them become independent, etc. Yet Fascist nations need invasion and war to keep their economy going, which means they have to pick bigger fights. They also relied on slave labour (and I’m going to take this opportunity to name and shame the corporations that used those people as slave labour:
Among the slave laborers in the occupied territories, hundreds of thousands were used by leading German corporations including Thyssen, Krupp, IG Farben, Bosch, Blaupunkt, Daimler-Benz, Demag, Henschel, Junkers, Messerschmitt, Siemens, and Volkswagen, as well as the Dutch corporation Philips.
What people forget about Germany is that they had always planned to invade the Soviet Union. There’s a lot of talk about ‘if they hadn’t,’ but their lebensraum plan required it. In 1944 75% of their economy went to the military. They’d been deficit spending every year since the early/mid 30’s. Fascism requires that all effort be put towards the military and war, regardless of if you’re at war, but you need to be at war to get the land/money/etc you need to pay for the military that you made to… etc.
So anyway yes, fascist nations bully countries until either a bunch of them or one big one puts them back down.
Historians debate just how fascist Franco was. Hell, Orwell wasn’t even quite sure, and he was very open about the fact that he went to Spain to kill a fascist.
Edit: a choice passage out of Homage to Catalonia, emphasis added:
But there were several points that escaped general notice. To begin with, Franco was not strictly comparable with Hitler or Mussolini. His rising was a military mutiny backed up by the aristocracy and the Church, and in the main, especially at the beginning, it was an attempt not so much to impose Fascism as to restore feudalism. This meant that Franco had against him not only the working class but also various sections of the liberal bourgeoisie—the very people who are the supporters of Fascism when it appears in a more modern form. More important than this was the fact that the Spanish working class did not, as we might conceivably do in England, resist Franco in the name of ‘democracy’ and the status quo; their resistance was accompanied by—one might almost say it consisted of—a definite revolutionary outbreak. Land was seized by the peasants; many factories and most of the transport were seized by the trade unions; churches were wrecked and the priests driven out or killed. The Daily Mail, amid the cheers of the Catholic clergy, was able to represent Franco as a patriot delivering his country from hordes of fiendish ‘Reds’.
And as a side note, the Daily Mail has been terrible for a long, long time.
Yes, they were beaten by a group of different people who let anyone join.
Nazis were literally defeated by diversity and inclusivity.
The Nazis based a lot of their racial laws on what was being done in the US, especially the south. Sure, the Allies included a diverse set of nations, but those nations were often incredibly racist too.
The great powers initially fucked up too
They won many wars in a row without losing. Then they just overdid it a lil bit at the end and got bonked. They couldve had a huge empire if they just stopped a bit earlier.
Also, they successfully occupied most of the countries in western and central Europe. It’s only when they tried to expand into Russia that the war started. If they didn’t pick a fight with the russians, the Third Reich would have lasted much longer.
I won’t say Finland or Thailand were great powers but Japan had a decent showing so it’s not like they were alone
Though it really only took USSR to beat Germany
I think a major part of getting “beat” is they fought the USSR in the east and simultaneously the USA and UK in the west. I mean the war against Stalin wasn’t going super smoothy. But it went on since 1941 already. And it really went south for the nazis when the USA joined WW2.
Things would have gone smoother for them if the British didn’t slow them down with Yugoslavia.
Good chance they would have captured Moscow and Stalin.
Outside of industry the US didn’t impact much
The Western Front was going to be won without them due to German troop and supply limitations
The US war effort was the Pacific and preventing the USSR from taking all of Germany (Allies made it in time)
The USSR was only in the fight thanks to lend lease and even Stalin admitted as much.
Bingo. American industry, British intelligence, and Russian Blood won the war in Europe. It was always a combined effort, and anyone claiming one power could have won alone is talking nonsense.
With American supplies, the USSR might have been able to defeat Germany without the Allies sending ground forces into Europe. However, there’s no way the Red Army could have defeated both Germany and Japan alone. The United States was the major force in the Pacific theater.
Got to be honest, losing is a very inferior gene trait.
Also did you know Hitler was a tweaker?
U mean a druggy?
Everyone used to consume inorbitant amounts of hard drugs! Thats the charm of the time!
Or like are you to implying the narrative of nazi generals? That the war would have been won tups if Hitler didn’t meddle? ‘Cause thats also not true! The war rememtos are complete lies meant to convince nato to hire them as advisers, which they would have anyways. If things were to shit the fan with the ussr then they wanted the german militia…
Just wanted to shit on him.
My dude, take an actual fact that makes neo-nazis foam from the mouth! He was insecure about his pp size (https://issuu.com/ucsa_boomerang/docs/6._summer_2023/s/27887059)
Won the war? Nah. Been much more of a pain in the ass for the allies to win? Probably
U don’t think that the US would have been willing to settle for peace if the germans literally won every single battlefield faster? They could have by giving [author of the book] all the resources and by giving none to the competing gens
Alternatively, those generals saw how badly things were going by late 1943/early 1944 and would push for a negotiated surrender. While those generals definitely did put all the blame on Hitler in their post-war memoirs to cover their own failures, Hitler was certainly to blame for continuing to fight until the Reds were almost literally knocking on his bunker door.
Also very possible. At the end of the day it’s all speculation
Used to?
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They didn’t?
Apparently it was too early in the morning for me or I need new glasses.
What is this Heart symbol that I see?
Tooltip says “1 Point”.
New feature?Hearts = upvotes - downvotes, yeah Idk know who would find that useful. Some socials do that.
I see, so I would assume that if a server calculates it, it sends it to others, which then send it to clients in the metadata.
I think this is a client side thing at least it makes more sense to me.
And the fact that only some clients have that may prove it right.
Ok, I just experimented a bit and seems like that’s the case.
I probably just didn’t look closely at enough comments with both, upvotes and downvotes until now.
Are you using an app? Desktop doesn’t have this.
Web UI. (I’m actually looking around for what app to choose)
It is not on all comments, only 2-3. I saw it the first time on the comment that started this thread.
Don’t choose the app I do as it will soon be discontinued. It has happened 3 times now :(
I recently saw a post regarding a TUI app for it.
Perhaps I’ll try that.Maybe even make one for myself, if the protocol is easy enough.
They lost WW1, too.
They weren’t nazis in ww1
No, but they were the same country.
Sure. Kinda like saying we’re the same country today as we were before 9/11.
The political inclinations of monarchist Germany weren’t anything to brag about. The German Colonial Empire was just as racist, vulgar, and blood drenched as anything the rest of the continent produced.
Nazis brought the imperial tendencies home to Berlin. They didn’t invent them from whole cloth.
What war had the nazi zombies?
2
They won the first worldwide war if you count Prussia though
The European World Wars only produced losers. WW1 signaled the beginning of the end of the British Empire, the escalated decline of the French Empire, and the total collapse of the Russian Empire. WW2 obliterated a century of industrial development and squandered a generation of young people on a pointless pissing contest, only to hand the continent to a pair of foreign superpowers.
The US came out ahead in both wars primarily because they were the last to join and the only ones to escape virtually unscathed.
Then we felt left out and decided that we wanted to be destroyed by fascism, too.
We exported fascism into Europe initially. America has a long and horrible history of fascism, straight back to the colonial era. By the early 20th century, guys like Henry Ford were quite literally churning out the textbook definition of antisemitism (The Protocols of the Elders of Zion) and shipping it all across the Old World, to stock the furnace of racial animus and ramp the continent up into a second world war.
Then we harvested the remnants of fascism back into our own country after German Nazism failed. The open-borders policy extended to German military and science officers was a shocking reversal relative to our naked hostility towards Jewish refugees and other European dissidents in the run up to the wars.
We weren’t destroyed by fascism. We were its wellspring. We sent it out abroad, like the seeds of an evil dandelion, and then we reaped what we’d sown when those seeds blossomed.
Who did they decide to go to war with? The world.
So you’d think that would last all of about 5 seconds. But it was actually close.
They should have studied history and what happens when you invade Russia. In the fucking winter. Instead they were more concerned with finding magical artifacts.
Meth’ll make you do some crazy things.
They did study the Napoleonic invasion of Russia. They just thought they were better.
Same with the confederacy:
- lasted just 4 years
- lost a war against the USA
Yet their flags are waived around with pride 250+ years later. How perfectly normal
Yeah, certain people can only feel superior to others to cover up for inferiority within themselves.
normie ❌: being anti nazi and anti confederacy because they are evil murderers
based ✅: being anti nazi and anti confederacy because they suck at winning
(sarcasm)
“So, since might makes right in your ideology, you’re going to admit that democracy and tolerance is the superior form of governance?”
“No, I’m actually just going to sulk here and spread Lost Cause style myths about how the Wehrmacht Wasn’t That Bad™”
They wanted to ally with the British. They ended up fighting them and losing.
Also the price the Americans could manufacture things at really controlled the war. The Americans saved the war for the small price of: them becoming the richest country in the world, lending huge amounts of money that wouldn’t be paid of for generations, completely destroying the competition including close allies in a way that’s never been done before or since, changing the world order in their favour. From a “Jewified” country maybe Hitler should have expected that.
Imagine losing a battle against a small island
Chinese: “Am I a joke to you?”
If the Japanese hadn’t attacked Pearl Harbour the Axis powers would have won the war. The addition of American troops in the western front was the beginning of the end for them.
If Germany hadn’t turned on the Russians it would have won the war. If they’d managed to get access to the French Navy after invading France, they probably would have won the war.
They already lost before the US joined.
America would have likely joined the war regardless of whether or not Japan had attacked.
That is very likely however without the support of the American people the US involvement would have been dramatically smaller and it’s unlikely Britain holds on long enough for the Americans to get troops and weaponry production up to speed.
And that is why Nazis are the biggest losers in History.
Not only did they claim their army was the best, but their people were also the best. So losing after a single war proves their army wasn’t the strongest and their people weren’t the best.
They also got beaten by a combination of different countries who allow anyone to join.
Meaning, the Nazis were beaten by diversity and inclusivity.
There’s also the funny story that the Germans were trying to break the allies code at the same time as the allies were trying to break enigma + all the other non-famous ones that they had
The Germans didn’t have a great lot of luck though with it because they were so dismissive of anyone that wasn’t normal. So basically all the intellectuals and the mathematicians were either in a prison camp or were just not allowed to join on the basis they were a bit odd. The allies employed someone who couldn’t really get the hang of cups, but he was a hell of a mathematician so they put up with it
Turing was just excellent. He’s one of those guys that the more I’ve heard about the more I just want to offer a big hug. Also he was probably autistic. There’s no way in hell the Nazis would’ve let him in.
Also the axis as a whole lost a lot of brilliant people due to the fact that Jewish people had been disproportionately economically forced into educated positions and thus educated people were more likely to be Jewish or at the very least cool with Jewish people. That’s how Italy lost Fermi, he defected because his wife was Jewish.
That’s also why nazi art was shit, but also because of the oppression of gay people. Ok nazi art didn’t have a chance for a lot of reasons.
Whaddaya know, the power of freinship doesn’t only work in cheesy kid’s movies
The Confederates, for the non-Americans, take challenge to that.
They were the opposing force during the American Civil War, trying to keep slavery. Their reign was so short, even a can of beans last longer than they did.
And yet that doesn’t stop chucklefucks in the American South proudly showing their Confederate flag, all because America is too chicken shit to call them losers.
you eat very slow dude
Now this just conjures up an image of a frenzied Liz Truss trying to outlast the lettuce by eating it.
Did they claim that their race is stronger than the enemy?
But it at least outlasted a lettuce, I think.
hyper military based society
there was nothing “based” about them.
I think it means military-based
i know :-) i was being sillyyyy!! ;-)