I will never get these people struggling to understand the lesser evil rationale. Maybe it’s just on a scale and timeline that is for some too difficult to really internalize.
I don’t think they’re struggling to understand it. They become quite excellent at understanding it once it turns to anything they support. China, Russia, Hamas, the Houthis, all the lesser evil. But for ‘some reason’ any time non-authoritarian regimes are involved, they become determined to ensure that the world knows that they’re willing to kill every last minority for their ‘principles’.
Yeah maybe you’re right. The thing that gets me is if they really understood how bad it could get under someone like Trump, like really understood how hard things can get and how fast it can happen - no way they’d hand him the keys to the country. There’s just a real disconnect there that I will never understand.
No, I think they still would. I really, legitimately think that they’re the secular equivalent of the Rapture lunatics I grew up with in an evangelical upbringing. They view the current state of affairs as a sinful world which must be destroyed by any means.
Some are young and don’t really remember much of his last presidency, so it couldn’t be that bad.
Some are staunch idealists who think voting lesser evil is the same as enthusiastic support.
Some are secret accelerationists who want things to get worse because they think the proletariat will spontaneously rise up if they’re desperate enough.
Some are bad faith actors trying to divide the left.
Some unironically think that both are equally bad.
Technically neither has harris. She’s not the president so that’s on Biden. Trump plans to push that genocide harder than harris though. So, they both suck on that one issue and trump still manages to suck harder anyways. But whatever. Guess we get to watch it all in 8k now.
And your support of Trump supported it harder. Please don’t bother with the “I didn’t vote for Trump” bullshit because you just admitted you threw your vote into the trash can to avoid any chance of voting against him.
I didn’t vote for trump you low iq brunch going liberal who sat on a fucking butt plug for the past four years instead of holding biden accountable for his crimes
Also, in our wonderful best ever democracy in the whole wide world full of two fascist parties, my vote doesn’t count because I’m not in a swing state. But I’d do it even if I was because FUCK THE DEMOCRATS AND THEIR BLUE MAGAT IDIOT GENOCIDE SUPPORTERS WHO THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF ALL TIME AND HOW DARE YOU VOTE WRONG!!!
Instead of fucking crying and carrying on like a bunch of whiny baby toddlers who lost an election fair and square you fucking learn WHY you lost. Your smug bullshit doesn’t help.
Agree to disagree. Everyone has their priorities. Trump isn’t going to help Gaza either but will hurt Ukraine and immigrants and other of his enemies. I’m not shaming you, just trying to make you understand that the world is not a black and white place. Choices have consequences and we all live with compromise. Those who refuse to compromise are not helpful either magats or pure idealists like you. Both have a warped sense of the world. I’m not shaming you, just telling how it is. If that shames you then look more inside
Because hurting the libs is fun. Y’all been fucking over the left for decades it’s time you fuck around and find out that you can’t win elections without us.
LMAO dude it’s starting to feel like this brunch hangup is personal for you. Never get invited? Me personally, I don’t like brunch. It’s just an excuse for restaurants to raise prices.
Comrade, I’m a leftist frustratedly watching other people who call themselves leftists repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot with their purity nonsense. You’re the one sabotaging the left. We’re never going to get socialism, much less communism, with this stupidity.
Even here, on a website composed predominantly of leftists, you’re purity testing everyone and splintering the people. How the hell are you going to accomplish anything if you refuse to acknowledge or work with anyone except for the like 2 dozen people in the entire world who happen to have the exact same beliefs as you?
I want the end of capitalism: no more private property, no more oppressive hierarchies, real democracy, the works. I’m probably to the left of easily 99% of the country. If I’m a lib, comrade, who is this “us” you speak of? If no one to the right of me is pure enough, you’re not left with enough people to fill a school auditorium, much less lead a revolution. You’re not winning anything with those numbers, you’re a rounding error.
Or is it not a coincidence that your “hurt the libs” narrative is exactly the same goal of the far-right authoritarian party?
The libs are right wing weirdos. They’re not the left. They love capitalism so long as it serves them. They love authoritarianism so long as they’re the in group. They’re traitors. They love genocide so long as it’s their side in charge.
Never said they weren’t. But they’re not literally Christo-fascists. They’re either equally bad or slightly better on every material policy, so given the choice I’ll begrudgingly stomach the traitors long enough to stonewall the Christo-fascists.
Some of my friends are racial minorities, LGBTQ, and/or women. Unless you’ve got 80 million organized Leftist voters in your pocket ready to go, a genocidal capitalist is going to win. The least I can do is choose the genocidal capitalists that respect their human rights over the genocidal capitalists that want them to be dead, deported, and/or property.
Yeah, fuck the Dems. Still doesn’t absolve any voter who thought that “More funds for the genocide + start a few others” was a good alternative.
I will never get these people struggling to understand the lesser evil rationale. Maybe it’s just on a scale and timeline that is for some too difficult to really internalize.
Maybe voting for lesser evil now would create even greater evil in the future.
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I don’t think they’re struggling to understand it. They become quite excellent at understanding it once it turns to anything they support. China, Russia, Hamas, the Houthis, all the lesser evil. But for ‘some reason’ any time non-authoritarian regimes are involved, they become determined to ensure that the world knows that they’re willing to kill every last minority for their ‘principles’.
Yeah maybe you’re right. The thing that gets me is if they really understood how bad it could get under someone like Trump, like really understood how hard things can get and how fast it can happen - no way they’d hand him the keys to the country. There’s just a real disconnect there that I will never understand.
No, I think they still would. I really, legitimately think that they’re the secular equivalent of the Rapture lunatics I grew up with in an evangelical upbringing. They view the current state of affairs as a sinful world which must be destroyed by any means.
Some are young and don’t really remember much of his last presidency, so it couldn’t be that bad.
Some are staunch idealists who think voting lesser evil is the same as enthusiastic support.
Some are secret accelerationists who want things to get worse because they think the proletariat will spontaneously rise up if they’re desperate enough.
Some are bad faith actors trying to divide the left.
Some unironically think that both are equally bad.
That’s a lot of ways to say “stupid assholes”
I have zero shame voting third party but do continue to attempt to shame voters for voting wrong and see how that works for you.
“I don’t understand why minorities who are going to get the jackboot are so mad at me for welcoming the jackboot :((((((”
It’s truly inexplicable.
I am a minority.
In which case it should be readily apparent why voting for the jackboot gets other minorities pissed at you.
Lol keep supporting a genocider as the “lesser evil”
Fucking blue MAGA bullshit right there
You literally voted for as many genocides as you could, lmao.
I voted third party. Even so, trump has yet to genocide anyone. Harris can’t say the same.
Technically neither has harris. She’s not the president so that’s on Biden. Trump plans to push that genocide harder than harris though. So, they both suck on that one issue and trump still manages to suck harder anyways. But whatever. Guess we get to watch it all in 8k now.
It never takes long.
The shit takes just keep coming from you. No self control that way
Please explain how Harris has committed genocide.
Removed by mod
And you support genocide.
Great, now both can vote blue no matter who next cycle
And your support of Trump supported it harder. Please don’t bother with the “I didn’t vote for Trump” bullshit because you just admitted you threw your vote into the trash can to avoid any chance of voting against him.
I didn’t vote for trump you low iq brunch going liberal who sat on a fucking butt plug for the past four years instead of holding biden accountable for his crimes
Also, in our wonderful best ever democracy in the whole wide world full of two fascist parties, my vote doesn’t count because I’m not in a swing state. But I’d do it even if I was because FUCK THE DEMOCRATS AND THEIR BLUE MAGAT IDIOT GENOCIDE SUPPORTERS WHO THINK THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF ALL TIME AND HOW DARE YOU VOTE WRONG!!!
Instead of fucking crying and carrying on like a bunch of whiny baby toddlers who lost an election fair and square you fucking learn WHY you lost. Your smug bullshit doesn’t help.
You just admitted you’d murder Palestinians to spite Democrats.
LMAO … A libertarian said this! Lolol
Sick burn about brunch though, make sure you keep using it in every Lemmy comment you make.
Agree to disagree. Everyone has their priorities. Trump isn’t going to help Gaza either but will hurt Ukraine and immigrants and other of his enemies. I’m not shaming you, just trying to make you understand that the world is not a black and white place. Choices have consequences and we all live with compromise. Those who refuse to compromise are not helpful either magats or pure idealists like you. Both have a warped sense of the world. I’m not shaming you, just telling how it is. If that shames you then look more inside
Maybe dems will learn from their mistakes (they won’t)
So then why try to send the message?
Because they are lying about their motives and about being a minority. That or they’re fucking stupid
Because hurting the libs is fun. Y’all been fucking over the left for decades it’s time you fuck around and find out that you can’t win elections without us.
Go back to brunch.
LMAO dude it’s starting to feel like this brunch hangup is personal for you. Never get invited? Me personally, I don’t like brunch. It’s just an excuse for restaurants to raise prices.
Comrade, I’m a leftist frustratedly watching other people who call themselves leftists repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot with their purity nonsense. You’re the one sabotaging the left. We’re never going to get socialism, much less communism, with this stupidity.
Even here, on a website composed predominantly of leftists, you’re purity testing everyone and splintering the people. How the hell are you going to accomplish anything if you refuse to acknowledge or work with anyone except for the like 2 dozen people in the entire world who happen to have the exact same beliefs as you?
I want the end of capitalism: no more private property, no more oppressive hierarchies, real democracy, the works. I’m probably to the left of easily 99% of the country. If I’m a lib, comrade, who is this “us” you speak of? If no one to the right of me is pure enough, you’re not left with enough people to fill a school auditorium, much less lead a revolution. You’re not winning anything with those numbers, you’re a rounding error.
Or is it not a coincidence that your “hurt the libs” narrative is exactly the same goal of the far-right authoritarian party?
The libs are right wing weirdos. They’re not the left. They love capitalism so long as it serves them. They love authoritarianism so long as they’re the in group. They’re traitors. They love genocide so long as it’s their side in charge.
Never said they weren’t. But they’re not literally Christo-fascists. They’re either equally bad or slightly better on every material policy, so given the choice I’ll begrudgingly stomach the traitors long enough to stonewall the Christo-fascists.
Some of my friends are racial minorities, LGBTQ, and/or women. Unless you’ve got 80 million organized Leftist voters in your pocket ready to go, a genocidal capitalist is going to win. The least I can do is choose the genocidal capitalists that respect their human rights over the genocidal capitalists that want them to be dead, deported, and/or property.