Protecting Trump’s enemies from prosecution just reinforces the idea of politics as retribution. Instead, Democrats should be defending his most vulnerable targets.
I commented this before, but I’m gonna repeat what I said:
In immigration law, all arrests, all convictions, and the past five years of all juvenile proceeding, are all visible to USCIS and they are legally allowed to consider them when determining whether or not to allow someone to enter the US, whether or not to deport them, or whether or not to allow adjustment of legal status. Yes ALL records, even pardoned, even if sealed or expunged by court, they see everything. You can visit the USCIS website and see for yourself.
And, even if you are never arrested, but the FBI investigated you a few times, USCIS might have access to those and if the FBI agents wrote bad things on your file, you might have problems with immigration or naturalization. Yea its quite fucked up, but it is what it is.
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Biden hates minorities. Always has.
He plans to deport birth right citizens if they’re living with illegal parents. He and the supreme court do not gaf about the law and a pardon isn’t some additional barrier they won’t ignore. If anything this would give them a path to normalize ignoring pardons
He wants to treat every state like New Mexico?
He plans on deporting naturalized citizens, too.
To be a little fair I think that got overblown. When you listen to him talk about it he frames it as having listened on family separation. He also says there will be a choice. Now how much do I believe him over cretins like Miller who literally salivating at the chance to do Operation Wetback 2? I can’t say. But that news interview did several weird things. Like when he said he’d go to the people about the 14th, the interviewer kept badgering him about executive orders until he shrugs and says, “sure if we can”, in a noncommittal way. That’s just pure badgering of an old partially senile man until he says the funny and everyone breathlessly prints newspaper headlines.
You think he is going to do that? I highly doubt it
It wouldn’t even be possible if he did want to.
Given how government works at breakneck glacial speed and they would never be able to process everyone in time. Maybe they could handle some of the ones with cases, but not anywhere near everyone. They would have to make contact, start the process, process, and distribute paperwork on more than 11 million people. It would take them months just to make a broken website to gather information for submissions.
“He could just declare it and anyone who came here before a given date would be protected.” How do you establish when someone got here? Supporting documents? They will be able to process that over the next few years, which they would be deported long before they could be processed.
It would take an act of Congress to be able to do the legal maneuvers necessary to do what would be needed.
Even if he did, trump will get the supreme court to give him the go-ahead anyways.
Biden has like little to no time to really do anything. And his last big action regarding the Israel-Gaza conflict really placed a sour taste in everyone’s mouths. Everyone’s focus is shifted to endure the worst of what the Fascist Party has in store for us.
Same chances this happens as Trump doing it.
The problem is that pardoning undocumented immigrants won’t have any real effect. Yes, crossing the border illegally is a crime, but is the equivalent of a misdemeanor; in other circumstances, it would likely result in a fine and no jail time. But even if they’re all pardoned, that doesn’t give them legal status in the US. There’s likely not a lot that Biden can do to give them the status that they would need. And even if he could, there wouldn’t be much to stop Trump from revoking it.
Agreed, it won’t stop the radical right GQPers from doing their evils. Plus it will alienate more people on the immigration issue - what the USA needs is real solutions and people would see this for what it would be, political gamesmanship.
What evils? There are no evils. Republicans simply do not support ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION… jesus, this is becoming worse than r/politics that swings so hard left, it’s nuts…
Last time Trump separated families, do you think this time they’ll play nice? But sure, keep you head in the sand.
And Obama, Clinton, Biden… didn’t do anything right? I mean, their hands are clean right? It’s ONLY Trump that’s trying to fix out immigration system? You don’t get to choose who’s had moral high ground with this issue. All Presidents have had to deal with it differently, some are just better at hiding their tactics.
Did I mention any of them
Plus it will alienate more people on the immigration issue
Immigration was the 2nd most important issue to voters, after direct economic issues (e.g., how well they felt they were doing economically). Without seeing what mass deportations will actually do to the economy and country as a whole, the majority of people that voted this year are in favor of the shit the GOP has promised to do.
the USA needs is real solutions
There isn’t one, not really. Certainly nothing that can be done in a mere four years, and probably not in sixteen. The countries that people are coming from are largely desperately poor, and struggling with gang violence. The way to ‘solve’ the immigration issue is to correct the problems in their own countries so that they don’t feel like making the journey to the US is a necessary for their survival. We can have some degree of effect on the gang violence by cutting the demand for the drugs in the US that fuel the gang violence in central and south American countries. But we can’t do much of anything directly. We can dump money into the issue, but then you have the problem of people in the US screaming about how we should be helping people in the US before doing any kind of foreign aid (spoiler: we wouldn’t be helping people in the US anyways).
In the period between now and Inauguration Day, on January 20th, the Biden Administration could still give immigrants additional layers of protection before Trump takes office. One of the most obvious possibilities is to expand T.P.S. for Nicaraguans [and other migrants]… So far, however, the Administration appears unwilling to do so, just as it remains opposed to renewing parole for those who entered through Biden’s “pathways.” Trump almost certainly will revoke parole. Either way, the senior congressional staffer told me, “parole is a weak protection compared to T.P.S.”
When Trump tried to end T.P.S. for certain nationalities in his first term, federal courts blocked him on the grounds that he had a “predetermined presidential agenda” that betrayed a racial “animus.” According to a former Biden Administration official with knowledge of current talks, the State Department supports expanding T.P.S. for Nicaraguans, based on a straightforward analysis of what’s happening in the country, but Mayorkas, at D.H.S., is opposed. (A D.H.S. spokesperson said that this was false and that “no decision has been made.”) “Extending T.P.S. used to be one of the easiest things Democrats supported,” the senior congressional staffer told me. But the Administration’s approach is now constrained by anxieties that it might seem brash or opportunistic on its way out. “It’s becoming evident that they believe immigration was one of the main factors in the electoral defeat,” the staffer said. “They don’t want to take actions that would double down on what they believe is a failed political strategy.”
But we’re talking about ILLEGAL MIGRANTS… are you morphing the two together?
We’re talking about the same people, Biden could and should extend TPS protections to all of them to clear up any bullshit immigration officials are trying to pull
Lmao, they think taking the Republican line loudly and proudly failed so they’re refusing to to double down by taking the democratic line from a decade ago? I’m not saying I don’t believe the staffer, the Save America Pod interview made it clear they’re completely detached from reality, it’s just hilarious to me.
Eh, do it anyway and force them to waste time arguing in court about it. Obstruct them like they do us.
It would leave them without status, which just might prevent legal deportation.
There’s a vast backlog of “Biden should” that will never happen.
President Biden should pardon student loan debt
Supreme Court already killed that option, unfortunately.
He should send SEAL team 6 to the houses of the justices that struck it down and make it clear that they will reverse their decisions or they and their entire families will be shot dead. Israel, Trump’s darling, routinely murders every single relative of people they don’t like. When they killed Hamas’s political leader, Ismail Haniyeh, they also killed 60 (you heard that right, 60!) of his relatives.
They made their bed, now they need to sleep in it.
“Fuck you, official act”
Do you remember those “That was Easy!” buttons that proliferated about … 20 years ago. (Yikes.)
In this flight of fancy, Biden has one of those placed on the Resolute desk and custom records audio for it, then goes on a wild spree of political edicts fulfilling everyone’s wildest dreams.
Forgiving all student loan debt. Done. Pardoning illegal immigrants. Done. Amnesty for everyone currently seeking asylum. Done. Full citizenship for DREAMers. Done. Removing the post office retirement Fund requirement. Done. Legalize Weed? Done. Nuke the whales? Believe it or not, done.
And after the scrawling of pen across paper has completed, the caps clicked safely back into place, another sound: cheap plastic clacking together, and Nixon’s disembodied voice emanating from the Easy Button’s tinny speaker “when the President does it, that means that it is not illegal!”This has never been how “official act” immunity has worked and people need to stop acting like it was
People like you need to stop pretending this isn’t exactly how it works at the end of the day, once you include the power of presidential pardon.
No, it’s still not.
Immunity doesn’t grant you new powers that the office never had before. It just lets you abuse the ones it already had. Please learn how things work before making haughty dumbass statements like you just did.
People still don’t understand Democrat Establishment is also on Team Corporations. They serve as the foil to Republicans, but only as entertainment to the masses. If they were a real party, they would have fielded a better candidate against Trump in 2016 and 2024. Bernie, for instance, could have easily mopped the floor with Trump, and greatly undermined his populist support, but that’s not what Capitalism and corporations want.
Class warfare is happening and everyday Joe has been losing for decades. It’s no wonder The Adjuster did what he did.
Like what?
The only actions that I can think of that Trump couldn’t immediately undo are related to pardons, seating judges, or funding allies. Any other actions that Biden could take through Executive Order would be reversible, no?
Any other actions that Biden could take through Executive Order would be reversible, no?
Then make trump do it. Make a bunch of popular executive orders. Let trump be the bad guy.
Oh wait. That’s not pardoning a cokehead or supplying a genocide, which are the only things he’s willing to do, and you’ll forgive the former because he’s doing the latter.
Bidens son was definitely used for political reasons. He had a plea deal and the GOP didn’t want that so for it thrown out.
Bidens son was definitely used for political reasons.
I don’t care if he was. If Biden can ignore norms and his own word to pardon Hunter, he could have ignored norms at any point during his presidency on behalf of people who aren’t as connected as his junkie progeny. He chose not to.
I forgive the former because he’s already outlived two children and I wouldn’t trust them not to just go full kangaroo court.
Edit: I absolutely do not excuse the latter
I’d be a lot more likely to forgive the former if he hadn’t been so fucking dedicated to norms when it could have mattered for people not named Hunter or Bibi.
I’m not sure the president can pardon civil infractions (AKA not actual federal crimes) and if he instead pardons any unrelated crimes, that’s a free talking point for the professional hypocrites from the American Fascist Party…
Why? Are Democrats that dense that you guys still think the vast majority of Americans believe illegal immigrants should just be left alone? I can’t believe how ridiculous that sounds…
Because it would be right
Why should illegal immigrants be pardoned? If you want to live in a different country you should go through the official immigration process.
I want to live in Iceland and I can’t just arbitrarily decide I live there. They deport.
A pardon is not a conferment of citizenship. It is a clean slate to allow those who had been previously caught and deported or imprisoned, or who are currently in an uncertain state of limbo, to have a clearer opportunity to go through those official channels.
Those who enter illegally are usually barred from re-entry for years, which means that there is effectively no legal path towards residence or citizenship that can satisfy their immediate need.
Thank you for actually answering my question
Your question was disingenuous and you know it.
No it isn’t. I feel stuck in Canada but I’m not entitled to just move to some random place I deem better.
But you have privileges, financial security, and stability in Canada that migrant groups often do not have in their countries of origin. Many are seeking an escape from poverty and violence but are denied asylum, so rather than go back to what may very well be a death sentence, they choose to gamble on illegally crossing the border anyways.
It’s easy to say “go through the official immigration process” when the only consequence for a rejection is just a sigh and a shrug, but not so cut-and-dry when people wait many years for a “maybe” while you and your family are starving.
We have financial security? Do you have any idea how poor the average canadian is right now?
Not poor enough to want to hop across the border and work less than minimum US wages, no. Did you eat food within the last 24 hours? Do you have a bed to sleep on and a roof over your head?
You must have some device to access the internet, so that is already an incredibly vital resource that millions lack. And Canada’s not exactly rife with violent crime, what would you be running from?
Every country has problems, but not every country’s problems are proportionate. Mexico’s poverty rate is over 3 times as high as Canada’s and applies to 4 times as many people, and Mexico is still better off than most of Latin America.
I mean, there are even many people in the US who see Canada as a sort of promised land of universal healthcare and better human rights. Grass is always greener, I guess.
i get where youre coming from, really. but theyve also made it incredibly hard to immigrate to the US on purpose. they dont want legal immigrants.
and its not quite the same thing as iceland… the US has an obscene amount of space and resources and is more than capable of incorporating a huge number of immigrants. this country was built on immigration, by immigrants.
this is more about hating brown people than it is about ‘legal status’.
Iceland has nothing but space and resources yet it’s nearly impossible to immigrate there and I don’t see anyone complaining about it. This analogy can apply to all of Scandinavia really
There was someone on here that said that the US sucks compared to all these Scandinavian countries…where MOST people are white… so, you’re saying that those countries that have more white people, and less diverse cultures, thrive more? lol…
Yeah go to scandinavia and you will see that people are quite chilled out and content with life. I have family there and life in finland is easy mode compared to US lol
Again, as are most Scandinavian countries… they’re not dealing with 300 Million different people from all over the world… it’s just ridiculous to try and compare the US to any other country on the planet.
hahahaha it doesnt even have the population of a single major US city.
california is the 5th largest economy on the planet, and its just a single state. its not even kind of the same situation.
Yeah it has a small population because nobody is allowed to move there lol. And I argue it’s one of the main reasons they have the highest quality of life on the planet
So what is it? Space and resources or population?
congrats on not understanding how being a refugee works you privileged neocon
Can’t wait for the influx of “refugees” coming from the US to Canada.
hahaha incoming admin wants to do genocide against certain populations in this country. people wanting to not die will desperately go anywhere they can get where they’re not getting killed. very easy to be dismissive now that you’ve put the word refugee in quotes. you really owned my leftist ass. i guess ben shapiro and jordan pedersen taught you well how the world works and all the scared people just need to cooperate more with the governments that want to kill them.
I literally go on vacation to the US, it’s a safe first world country lol.
As for the genocide stuff, I don’t buy into the hype that that is actually going to happen but I’ll believe it when I see it
cool. you go on tour to the safe parts of our country and walk around with all the privilege of someone who feels safe doing so. meanwhile our marginalized people get beat to death by cops with no accountability, or else executed for crimes they provably didn’t commit, or simply die of exposure from not having housing or enough money for healthcare, and you presume to know the motives of the people who feel emboldened by the admin. with this entitlement, you feel free to talk down to someone who walks around in these streets and has lost friends and loved ones in the blood soaked machinery of our system of violence about how it’s all in our heads.
i just say all this in hopes that someone sees what you’re saying and sees this response and questions how authoritative your position is. i don’t think you can be woken up to the truth. you’re too far down a propaganda rabbit hole. i just don’t want your bullshit left unchallenged because the prevalence of your brand of ignorance is getting me and my friends killed.
Yeah and Canada is full of dark shit too. That’s why I think it’s ridiculous that people think they can flee the US to here and call themselves refugees. It’s just another side of the exact same coin.
You cite free healthcare. Do you even understand how many people are dying in Canada due to not receiving any care at all? The gov introduced the MAID program because it’s easier to just let people kill themselves than it is to actually address the non existent healthcare system.
And do you understand how many people are dying on the streets here due to an intentional lack of housing?
I can go on and on. But sure yeah, come here and enjoy freezing on the streets I guess. At least you will be accepted as a gay person while you freeze I guess.
simply die of exposure from not having housing or enough money for healthcare
Like this is literally the canadian experience right now lmao
for that to happen he’d have to be pro-immigration, pro-immigrant, or explicitly against harming immigrants and having a spine. I don’t think he’s any of those things.
I am not an immigration lawyer, but I question exactly how much Biden can do here. Simply being undocumented is not a crime. Now, some undocumented immigrants commit crimes in the process of coming here, but in most cases being undocumented is a civil violation, not a criminal one . So, what exactly is there to pardon?
Now. If Biden wanted to be real snarky, he could pardon Elon Musk for any crimes committed with regards to his immigration status. I don’t think he committed any, other than the rumor that he once crossed the land border after being denied entry on a plane from Canada. But that puts Musk in the position of having to formally acknowledge the “grey area” in his immigration journey, and put the GOP’s hypocrisy about this on center stage.
Simply being undocumented is not a crime.
It is, but it’s a misdemeanor. It’s not terribly serious, all things considered.
No, it is not a crime by itself.
You are confusing this with entering the US illegally, which is a crime, and typically a misdemeanor on the first offense
https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html
But quite a few undocumented people here (perhaps the majority, I didn’t look it up) came here with permission, but then overstayed their visa. They committed no crime in doing that, but if discovered they are subject to civil penalties, including deportation.
Should probably pardon everyone convicted of taking money under the table and smoking crack as well, but that would require a consistent moral character. I wouldn’t hold my breath. He doesn’t give a fuck anymore.
Also he should commute all federal death row inmates to life. The one thing that people don’t remember or realize is just how incredibly bloodthirsty Trump was in executing federal inmates. He did it in his last year because, if I am not mistaken, he had an issue procuring the necessary chemicals for the lethal injections.
Trump executed more people in his one term than any other president in the 20th century save for FDR, and FDR was a 4-term president (technically 3 since he died shortly into his 4th term) and a very large portion of those were Nazi saboteurs (Many of whom were also American citizens, so they were guilty of treason). In total FDR had 16 people executed. George W. Bush, for all his bloodlust in Iraq and elsewhere, executed only 3 people, 1 of whom was Timothy McVeigh.
Trump, in the span of only 6 months, had 13 people executed. This is unprecedented. Trump talks about being an old school ‘strong’ president who was free of political correctness and wokeness, yet even someone from the 1920s would have found his actions to be disturbing.
