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I mean, I have no great love for DST, but I have no faith that they can do anything but completely fuck it up somehow. Whatever results will be at best, no measurable improvement, but at least a monumental pain in the ass for those who have to do the work to keep shit on schedule during the morass.
They’re going to move it 30 mins to meet in the middle…
I mean it seems to work for India, Nepal, etc.
If they’re using the 2022 bill they’re already fucking it up. Kids are going to be walking to school in the dark in winter and get hit by cars because they want to pretend that we’re a few thousand miles east of where we actually are.
So maybe we could do the other thing that scientists have been saying, and make school start later. Obviously just one of the things that would need to be fixed, because school is currently a glorified daycare (because both parents are working, yay) and changing the times would fuck up parents’ lives.
Sure, but we should do that independent of this. Schools need to start at least an hour later on standard time. On DST they need to start two hours later at least.
I find going on and off DST to be kind of a nuisance, but I don’t have strong feelings about it one way or the other. It seems like the experience varies from place to place, and your region’s distance to the equator is an important factor. The closer you are to the equator, the less necessary DST is.
Historically, some of the regions that went off of DST much prefer it that way, and never looked back. But others regretted opting out of it, and went back to doing it again after everyone complained about it.
I’m sure 47 will make it all about him, whatever he does. And it will probably be a chaotic mess of software patches when they try to implement it. There will be far worse problems to deal with during the Stupid Ages, but throw this one on the pile I guess.
I want it to stay sprung forward, can’t remember if that’s DST or non. I feel like I’m in the minority, but fuck if I care if it’s dark in the morning I want sunlight for longer once I’m done working…
DST is sprung forward. It happens in the summer. Standard time is what the northern hemisphere is on now in the winter.
Fun fact. In the winter the sun is pretty close to its highest at Noon but I the summer that happens at 1:00 pm.
I suppose it makes some difference how far East to West you are in your timezone too, but this time of year I’m dark on my way to work and dark on my way home, if we were still in DST I’d have an hour of sunlight still after work. It’s only about 6 weeks that are that extreme for me but I’d still prefer DST. And I love the long summer nights when it’s light until almost 10 lol
Not just East to West but North to South too
I knew that in the sense of sunrise and sunset times, but thought maybe in terms of the sun being overhead at noon for example would travel north to South?
Same. This was part of Rubio’s “Sunshine Protection” think a couple years back, but does NOT seem to be part of that Trump has discussed so far.
The EU’s proposed DST abolishment proposal would go to permanent DST time, too.
Unfortunate that it has been in the back burner for so long. It would genuinely be a good boon for the EU tech industry to abolish DST lol.
Will y’all shut the fuck up and act like you don’t want this? You’re going to ruin it.
We absolutely need to start protesting this so he makes it a priority.
Dang, I sure do love that Obama created daylight savings time. I hope it never goes away. Thanks Obama!
Some, if not all people agree that this makes him the YUGEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME
This is literally how to shape his entire presidency and keep him from completely destroying the country. This move right here, every time.
Let’s make a list of things and how to complain and stick to the script.
I’ll go first. Man, I love tariffs!
The only way that Democrats will eventually come out on top here is massive tariffs. We have to get the word out and thank Donald Trump for his concept of a plan on tariffs.
It’s weird how I watched VEEP last year and here it is coming true.
I wonder how he’ll make it worse.
He’s going to rename it Trump Time.
Donald Savings Time
He’ll lock it into non-dst to the sun won’t rise until 8:30 in the winter in the middle latitude states.
But dst doesn’t change what the sun does. Just the arbitrary number us humans put on it. Not changing a pattern 2 times a year seems great! Who cares what number it is? I used to love in Minnesota, DST and short winter days, now I live in Arizona, we have plenty of sun and no DST. The sun rises at 5am in Arizona in the summer. But that changes nothing about my day.
about my day.
Unfortunately, you’re not the only person in the world. I’m super happy that your day doesn’t start early enough for that to screw you over, or maybe you like getting up the pitch black, but the majority of Americans would like to have some morning light around Christmas.
DST changes nothing about the amount of light in a day though.
You sound like I’m saying it does, care to explain?
"Americans would like to have morning light around Christmas ". No law or number we call time changes the sunlight. Just the arbitrary number we assign to the time
Hmmm, Tell me you think I’m too stupid to breathe without telling me I’m too stupid to breathe, Nice one!
I Hope to God that you are just trolling at this point, because for you to come to that conclusion from what I said would be seriously embarrassing on your behalf.
When you change the local timezone by an hour the schools end businesses open up an hour later compared to the rise of the Sun.
We’re almost to the equinox, I’m in a middle latitude, as are better than 2/3 of US population. College and high school education systems all seem to start activating around 7:00 a.m. many businesses have their employees commense prep for the day around that time as well. When I drive my kid to school at 7:00 in the morning, it’s just barely light. That means that everyone that gets up by 7:00 in the morning has a little bit of light on the roads this time of year. Lowering the number of groggy early a.m. traffic accidents and providing a little bit of security to the kids waiting around outside the school so they’re not standing around in the the dark.
If you do not kick in DST it doesn’t start getting light until 8:00. New York City, a seriously populated area starts to get light around 7:12 which is in the same range. They’re not going to see the light are dawn until 8:12.
I don’t care for the time to go back and forth so I’d rather we just stick right to DST. Permanently afix EST to -4. And have the rest of the time zones adjusted accordingly.
Right now every business and government entity starts at a certain hour of the day. They do not adjust that time for summer versus winter, because we take care of it in the system. In the case of middle and northern latitudes they start at an earlier hour than they would otherwise because of daylight savings time.
If we just permanently turn off DST, a not insignificant portion of these businesses and government entities (But not a majority) will change their schedules to go later. Mass transportation will go to hell. School bus traffic will collide with business traffic and everything that anyone knew about what time things open and shut would be out the window.
Can we get rid of timezones and switch to UTC please
I don’t want it to ever be -03:00. That shit is confusing as hell.
Lol I think it would just be 3 am or 9pm depending on which way you are talking
Based
“Oh, yum! I found a chocolate chip in this bucket of catshit that the ruling class is shoveling down my throat!”
He was quoted out of context. He wants to separately eliminate daylight, savings, and time.
Works on contingency? No, money down!
The EU parliament had a vote to abolish DST, and it passed. They just forgot to hammer out the details, then COVID and Ukraine happened, so focus shifted.
I hope they’ll pick up the ball again at some point.
Perhaps if the US does it, they’ll follow. And then anywhere else left will do the same and we can be done with this nonsense.
The decision is made. It just takes a while for the 27 countries to get their local legislation up to speed. Many haven’t decided whether they’d want to be on standard time or +1. There’s some business advantage to being on the same timezone as your neighbors.
And then software manufacturers need some heads up to get their shit together.
This was on the docket to be voted on in 2023 (i think, could have been 2022) and it never made it to the floor. Why? His cronies. They just let it fall by the side, probably so they could do it now. I’m so sick and tired of this shit show if a govt. Failed fucking state.
Seriously, this was suppose to have happened like five years ago!
Besides impotently complaining about it on the internet, what else can we do about it?
Impotently complain harder
This needs to be top comment. So many little things he does that sane people like are just things Republicans blocked until they could be the ones to do the thing.
Any state can abolish DST on its own, some have already done so.
There was a bill in Congress to put the entire country on permanent DST (which states can’t do on their own). It died because (a) some states don’t want permanent DST, and (b) doctors have found that permanent DST is less healthy than no DST.
In fact, Congress already tried permanent DST briefly in the 70s. Some children were killed in early morning traffic accidents, schools responded by shifting their winter hours later, and the public generally turned against it.
Would that even work on Indian reservations - can congress override their choices?
To avoid confusion, all of the US will be on DTT (Donald Trump Time), which will vary based on where he currently is.
Do not give him ideas, please.
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It’s funny because extending DST is the only productive thing W. did too
