Summary

Vivek Ramaswamy criticized American culture for prioritizing “normalcy” over excellence, which leads tech companies hiring foreign-born workers over Americans.

In a post on X, he argued that U.S. culture celebrates mediocrity and undervalues nerdiness, hard work, and academic achievement.

His comments sparked backlash across the political spectrum, with critics labeling him out of touch with American culture.

The controversy may jeopardize his standing in the Trump administration.

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    Isn’t this the same guy who said “weekends were a mistake”?

    People like this have fully infiltrated the US tech sector, and have been kicking and screaming about how the workers there aren’t killing themselves for their jobs anymore. They have completely embraced classism and believe they are at the top of some imaginary tower or food chain that allows them to make idiotic statements like this. Anti-egalitarian at the core.

    They’ve already stripped all the benefits of working in tech away from the workers, and are now complaining that the horse won’t pull the cart anymore now that the carrot is gone. Pieces of shit.

    • Bob Robertson IX @discuss.tchncs.de
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      Isn’t this the same guy who “weekends were a mistake”?

      No, that is Narayana Murthy, the billionaire founder of Infosys - a company that makes its money through indentured servitude by exploiting H1B visas.

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    North America as a whole - America mostly, but also Canada being not that far behind - has been on a crazy rush to the bottom with cultivated ignorance.

    Anything intellectual is mocked and degraded. Children who are smart try to hide it because it’s “not cool”. Adults who are competent and erudite get treated like freaks.

    As of late, my longer-form content been frequently flagged as a product of AI because I use “big words” – and the language I use is no more sophisticated as something put together in first or second year university. It’s not sophisticated in the least, but the problem arises because a majority of adult Americans can’t read past a 5th grade level. So when I write at a completely bog-standard adult level, most adults simply cannot keep up.

    And this intellectual decline in our culture is hella terrifying.

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    Wealthy investment banker classist ladder-puller criticizing what he doesn’t understand instead of addressing the actual problems many people face and using his wealth and power to provide and execute solutions. He’s a leach, oligarch, and a demagogue for oppression. People in positions of power should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.

    As an atheist I’m reminded around this time of year of the teachings Jesus had that apply regardless of faith or secularity; like give away all your belongings because material goods are a chain weighing you down. Be compassionate, forgiving, and helpful and good people will reciprocate. Vivek isn’t generous or caring for the people who need help most like prisoners, sick, elderly. He’s a stingy Scrooge who would rather for-profit insurance exist than universal healthcare.

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    Somewhat related story, but I’ll share it to put a win for the little guy somewhere in these comments.

    When I was in my late teens I worked in the deli of a large supermarket chain. We had a hot food section with reheated frozen crap that was always dried out and gross, and a pizza oven to cook school cafeteria quality pizzas. Needless to say, no one bought anything.

    Right next to that was the deli section where I worked evenings. We had the fancy Boarshead stuff, including a bunch of fancy Italian meats. Nobody bought that stuff either cuz we’re not redneck here, but city people kind of treat us like we are, and nobody knew what soppresetta and that kind of thing was.

    All this stuff would just sit until it got thrown out from not being sold. I would take bits of it all on its way to the trash, and I started making calzones with the pizza dough and the nice deli meats and ringing myself up for the price of like a quarter pound of meat, which was fair to me and the store. I made them for myself at first, and then some other people in the department.

    The one day I made a few and gave samples out to some of my regular customers and of course they liked them because they were made with care and attention and better ingredients than any of the store stuff. I started making them in nights I was in and putting them in the hot bar and they sold decent.

    One day the manager came back and cried it wasn’t in the plan-o-gram and blah blah and I had to knock it off.

    Maybe a week later, they came back to me again and asked how I had been pricing them and I said I was basically just charging the weight of the deli meat and they tweaked the price a little and I kept making them, as people had been ticked when I said I wasn’t allowed to make them anymore.

    I left not too long after, and I can’t say it was due to me or anything, but now all of those sites around here make little calzones and have them in the deli section as a grab and go item to cook at home.

    It wasn’t enough to teach me everything I needed to know about how companies treat people that go above, but it definitely contributed to my education about work vs reward. But I’m glad I won that one. I liked saving food from the trash, and I liked seeing people enjoy something that was my idea and made purely by me and my skill. I guess I learned some things about myself as well.

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    I’d definitely say that Americans value hard work. To the point of their own detriment. I’d also say they often strive for excellence in product making, but it rarely comes out excellent. When comparing product quality between Europe and the US, Europe almost always comes out ahead. Plus, Europeans value a good balance between work and life. That’s true excellence in my book. The US seems to mostly survive on size and quantity rather than quality.

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      everyone talks of germany and japan as being efficient but its the US that the priority is efficiency. Thing is we don’t give a fuck about quality which is what allows for such great “efficiency”. What germany and japan were doing was maximizing efficiency while maintaining quality. We had a japanese shipping company bring some stuff for an NTT project. Truck came. Several guys. fully equipped. Got their lift gate going right away and zoom did that stuff get off the truck and right up to the rack and unboxed and man. just full service. incredibly fast and everything in very good condition. Compare that to the typical american shipping with just the one guy driving and unloading. They would often try to lie and say their liftgate was not working (they were worried about the few minutes it took and they had unreasonable schedules breathing down their necks). No handtrucks or belts or any other equipment. Once they got it onto the dock they are gone. So yeah the savings on improperly equiped trucks and only one guy is huge. Economically efficient. Meanwhile the japanese company with several guys and costly equipment is costing more, but they spend about the same amount of time and you get the equipment right to where it belongs and in perfect condition and your just happier about the whole experience. Efficiency while maintaining quality.

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    In a post on X, he argued that U.S. culture celebrates mediocrity and undervalues nerdiness, hard work, and academic achievement.

    I can’t really argue with that part.

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      I would; rich fucks like him destroying our education system for profit is the reason we don’t value academic achievement anymore.

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      I would say that here in the U.S. and Canada:

      Mediocrity is less celebrated and more just that anyone with real skill will probably stand out as troublemaker at work because they’ll know that their bosses are wrong.

      Hard work is definitely celebrated because morons can always work longer hours but they aren’t capable of understanding how to work smart. Then the very worst people, the braindead managers, come along and ignore every single piece of documentation showing how working long hours is both unnecessary these days and just straight-up unproductive.

      Academic achievement is massively worshipped here. In fact it is one of the number one arguments dumbasses who were good at school but not at real work make when spouting their other garbage. See: so many engineers, lawyers, and even doctors.

      So I’m really not sure why you believe that that statement is true.

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    He’s not complaining about us being ba workers. He complaining the average Joe doesn’t treat their manager like a king like in Indian culture.

    I worked for an Indian company once, I only made it 12 months before the harassment became too much.

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    He is trying so hard to be cool and it’s just not working.

    I’m not just dunking on maga when I say, I think that might be what the leaders of the movement all actually have in common. When weak people try to act strong, it turns into cruelty. When uncool people try extra hard to be cool, they become maga. It’s why they’re all such dorks.

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    US businesses don’t hire foreign workers because they perform better than domestic workers. They do it because they pay less for slave labor. US slaves primarily work in domestic food production, initially as a way to reduce the cost of food, but that turned into corporate profit pretty quickly.

    Now we’ve created a massive margin standard on foreign imports as well as domestic food production. The inevitable consequence is that correction would either result in a temporary but substantial domestic business profit loss, or employing more unpaid or underpaid domestic workers.

    Take a guess which track the Republicans plan on taking while they begin to fill the detention centers.