Finally the actual reason he said this.

For now…

I think people enjoy musical instruments. Digital music really hasn’t caught on much. There are and always will be plenty of musicians playing traditional instruments of all kinds.

Honestly I kind of get his point.

I fooled around with some basic beat making software back in the day and was having a lot of fun, so I stepped up to entry level producing software and HOLY SHIT there was a learning cliff I had to climb. It sucked all the fun out of it and I got bored really fast.

People do still want to create and make music not learn how to use a piece of software.

Boomer take. I’m a musician of two decades, got my degree in music. Sampling is as much an art and practice as playing a “traditional” instrument—I do both.

Are there lazy samplists? Sure, just as there are lazy guitarists. But watch this and tell me this isn’t musicianship. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=sKMDP-vDsTU

It’s a blanket generalization; those are almost always wrong.

Sure, there are SOME people that don’t want to learn how to play an instrument; just as there are some people who vehemently oppose the usage of any AI. I guess because there’s SOME people that vehemently oppose AI, everyone should learn how to play an instrument (see how blanket generalizations don’t work).

You should go to a drum corps rehearsal or elite piano/violin recital. Shit or even an arcade hosting a bemani tournament. Like not one of the places where their parents are forcing them but somewhere where people are just doing it because they want to, even if it sucks sometimes to play for hours and hours and hours

I used to teach lessons and you do have a point, a lot of people want to be good without doing any work. That’s true of any endeavor that requires effort. A lot of people covet the reward without paying enough mind to the serious amount of effort that one undertakes to get to that point

But some people actually do want to achieve greatness, some people want a sense of accomplishment, some people want a deeper understanding of their instrument, etc

Even if you’re an electronic producer that only ever uses the piano roll you would still benefit from a better understanding of theory and improvisation. This doesn’t come from nothing; it comes from grinding. You don’t necessarily need to read theory books and practice piano of course, you will gain a sense of these from writing songs and getting feedback, but you still need to write and/or play a lot

The rise in electronic artists is arguably more to do with accessibility. literally everyone has a computing device and free music making software is relatively abundant, instruments are expensive and loud, practice space is hard to come by especially in urban environments. Additionally electronic music has a huge factor of cultural relevance in terms of trends from production styles being popular across genres.

AI music is a tool and it’s impressive but the results are mostly derivative, which makes sense given how it works. it would be really cool to see more resources invested into spaces for people who actually wanted to pursue the arts to be able to do so as this is likely the way music (and other art) truly moves forward and actually innovates instead of just hashing out the same tired shit

Electronic music is a different artform, but it’s still fun and satisfying for the people who make it. Plus, I’d argue that most people who make electronic music do it because they like that type of music, not because they don’t want to learn the violin or whatever.

I think that a more accurate statement is that some people don’t enjoy using instruments. I mean, I don’t, but I’m sure that there are people who do.

I think you meant people flipping purchased loop packs, and even then I disagree.

J Dilla made his music with samples. His rhythms are so complex that there are literal PH.Ds writing books about them.

Aphex Twin and Burial are another two artists that prove that it takes incredible skill and talent to cook samples and transform them into something new.

What???

No, he is wrong.

People of every age learn how to play music everyday.

Practicing is absolutely enjoyable.

Using samples and electronic instruments only prove that people who love making music will find creative ways to do it.

Just because you don’t like a certain type of music (there are hundreds if not thousands of different types of music) it doesn’t mean people making that music are lazy.

Having the money and space for each instrument is a task itself.

You a musician? I love playing around on instruments, it’s an end of itself not just a means to achieve some pre defined sound.

People who use instruments or computers to make music get full control, which is good and bad. You get to do exactly what you want, but your skills and creativity put a limit to what that might be. Also, doing that takes time.

Using AI to generate images and music puts you into the shoes of a producer. Now, you’re trying to separate the wheat from the chaff, but you don’t really have very much control over what the AI generates. It can be really frustrating, since you may have a vision, but the AI just doesn’t follow orders very well.

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and most of those who don’t do it wish they could.

ok, out of the people who , let’s say, own an instrument, how many do you think fall into this category?

All this generative AI for “creative works” basically makes it so that if you lack the skill to do something, you can feed it something among the lines of what you want, and it will do the hard work that takes years of effort to achieve for you.

In the right contexts, it allows for personal curation of art the user can imagine but lacks the technical ability to create.

Of course, corps and assholes looking to make a quick buck are also abusing this to make money at the expense of genuine people who are expressing something and have honed a craft. Guess what, that shit’s happening anyway, Taylor Swift is charging 5k for tickets to watch her lip sync to music she didn’t write and isn’t singing at the concert. It’s already fucking over, and has been for ages. It’s even worse, there are bands out there that have bothered to hone their craft and are out there touring their asses off, but because they “found their niche” are basically phoning it in and making the same fucking album every two to five years. Great work. Think about the last few meshuggah or mastodon albums. Violent sleep of reason, koloss and immutable are variations on the same fucking ideas. at least the band grew and tried to find themselves, and perfected themselves in the era between nothing and obzen. Mastodon stopped giving a shit since Crack the Skye.

EDIT : If I want to hear hardcore mixed with lounge , and I don’t want to learn to scream, play the sax , drums, guitar, bass etc, and I have a machine that can interpret that for me, why shouldn’t it enrich my day? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ-K647LViU

EDIT2 : You wanna tell me that there’s more value than the latest Boardroom generated pop album with no AI compared to Pho Que which was made by someone who understands what goes on under the hood with the way the AI would generate the music to fulfil their personal tastes in music and curiosity?

EDIT3 : You know what, I’ll even multiple down. I spent the morning checking out bands from a gig poster in town, unheard regional bands, and you know what, they were all generic and mid. 6/10. I was hoping to go to the gig, have a good time, discover great local talent, but I don’t want to, since it’s not worth it to bother going out to do that while I have other responsibilities or ways of having fun.

I’m still listening to Pho Que (ai generated by the guys at dadabots, through suno, the company in the OP) and I’m enjoying myself more than when I was listening to their generic efforts at black metal. There’s more dynamics, more surprises and it’s better overall.