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Wouldn’t this just mean no one’s a male or a female. I get that we develop female characteristics first in utero, then go to male if the y chromosome is there in most situations, but thats later on. At conception, the only cells you’re producing are undifferentiated stem cells, not reproductive cells.
So trump just abolished gender?
No, Trump made us all trans. He has defeated the Cis Empire.
*They have
On another note, now no-one can use any of the bathrooms the US congress.
actually they just recently opened a gender neutral bathroom in the white house!
We had gender neutral bathrooms at my last workplace, was heaps better
Curious: what made them better?
They basically convertered the space provided for the mens/women’s bathrooms on each floor into a corridor with a number of individual small bathrooms, each with a toilet and basin. After the change there were more toilets available at any given time and they were generally cleaner.
That’s the best way to do public bathrooms. Multiple small rooms with a toilet and sink. 👍
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I thought sex was determined at time of fertilization by the chromosomes. If a sperm carrying a Y chromosome meets an egg carrying an X chromosome, won’t the resulting fetus always be male? Is that not the case?
Please enlighten me as well. I’m confused.
Edge cases exist, some people are xxx, xxy, xyy etc.
General concensus is that if there’s a Y in the mix you’re biologically male at birth but it’s a bit of a grey area
People are pointing out is that at conception there is only one cell, the fertilized egg / zygote. So everyone would have only the “large reproductive cell” (the egg). It’s honestly so poorly written that you could also argue it’s saying everyone’s bigender too
But as an aside, it’s actually not even true that XY guarantees someone will be assigned male at birth.People with Swyer syndrome present AFAB or intersex while having XY chromosomes
The opposite is true for people with de la Chapelle syndrome where they have XX chromosomes and present AMAB / intersex.
Many people with either of those never know they have XY or XX . There’s also way more possibilities than just XX and XY. You can have XXY, XXYY, just X, and more
just X
Elon’s favorite gender.
Not the case at all. Remember, biology is way more complicated than you think. As a starter, there is chromosomal and hormonal sex. Chromosomal sex (X and Y chromosomes) generally determines hormonal sex. But… the gene that determines hormonal sex (SRY) can sometimes get knocked off the Y and onto the X. Or off the Y and onto nothing. Or a bunch of other things. And hormonal sex can get disrupted in a bunch of ways, so that you end up with people who are intersex or seem to be cis female until puberty when they grow a penis. Or who appear to be cis female until they have problems conceiving and find out they are XY but don’t have testosterone receptors. Or any of a thousand other things that make sex determination complicated.
Biology is statistical not deterministic and with 7 billion people there are going to be a lot of edge cases.
Initial development trends toward “female” characteristics. If an embryo has XY chromosomes then normally a gene on the Y chromosome will start to express which pivots development toward “male” characteristics.
If there’s a mutation on the responsible part of the Y chromosome then that expression may not happen stunting the development of “male” characteristics.
Certain disorders can prevent the development of sex organs entirely which can lead to the testes failing to develop and subsequent hormone releases to not happen stunting the development of “male” characteristics.
Other disorders can result in the initial sex organ development, but prevent adequate hormone production which stunts the development of “male” characteristics.
Since “male” characteristics occur later in the development cycle (and not always when they’re otherwise “supposed” to) at the point of conception all zygotes are of “the sex that produced the large reproductive cell” and since the current administration views zygotes as fully developed people the current administration accidentally classified all humans as female.
Incidentally there being multiple methods by which one’s sex can be determined incongruously from the typical indication of one’s chromosomes is just one reason why anti-trans bigotry is stupid.
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This is how it is
This is in fact not how it is–hence the down votes.
Sex determination is a complicated mechanism that isn’t solely reliant upon chromosomes.
The “XX is female and XY is male” take is a reductionist rudimentary explanation for the nominal case used to teach children about the basics. In reality there are more combinations than just those two for human chromosomes, and there are situations that cause different manifestations and development periods regardless of one’s chromosomes.
Sure, most of the time that’s how it is, but it isn’t universal. Which is why using some pseudoscientific “chromosomal truther” interpretation to define either sex or gender is a bad, alienating ideology.
Ok you explained that that was the kid version but didn’t explain the not kid version.
Zygote is XY or XX (at conception, which is generally understood as male, female) ??? Male baby, female baby
It’s the ??? Or before part that I’m struggling to understand. Is it the low percentage of deviations that make it not definite at conception?
Fwiw I want you to be right. I see that gonadal sex is effectively female until male, but again the male part was predefined at conception.
This comment by ragebutt goes into more cases that can occur beyond the normal case which can result in XX =/=> female baby and and XY =/=> male baby.
Our new National Anthem is “American Woman”
Because it’s literally about all of us now.
Hmmm. I’m definitely trying to figure it out.
“Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell. “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell.
At conception I was a single cell that contained both the combined small and large cells(sperm and egg). I was a fertilized cell that didn’t produce either small or large reproductive cells yet. I think that makes me neither then?
This executive order just abolished all gender politics. I didn’t expect Trump to be so progressive on day one.
I think having left wing politicians unironically start praising this would be the absolute best response. They didn’t solely to get a rise out of the left and so far we’re just laughing at the jokes being made at it’s expense.
What if someone doesn’t produce any cells?
They are fired from the battery factory.
Hello, ladies!
Seems like America got a female president after all.
Kamala wanted to be the 1st woman President so Trump had to make sure he was the first instead.
she*
Somebody should call her Madam President to her face.
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Biologicalsex and gender are not synonyms.
You are here because a woman got pregnant by mans semen.
Because a secondary oocyte got fertilized by a spermatozoa, and then a cascade of subsequent cell divisions worked well enough. Anything else are your claims alone, not some factual statement.
I didn’t close my eyes or ears and learned that there are many variations of biological sex, regardless of gender identity. Trisomies are the most common X and Y chromosome variants.
XXY (Klinefelter syndrome)
XXX (Trisomy X)
XYYLess common are “tetrasomies,” which denote the presence of four sex chromosomes: XXYY
XXXY
XXXXStill rarer are the “pentasomies,” indicating five sex chromosomes: XXXXY
XXXXXThese conditions can cause male presenting genitalia but female presenting bodies (facial structure, body structure, etc.) THey can present as the opposite. They can present as just male or female external genitalia or a mix of both. Even if we ignore gender identity, which is what “sex” people feel within their brains, just in biological sex there are more than binary options.
As I write this and read your global warming sentence I think you meant the authors of the executive order when you said “you guys”? I can’t tell how to interpret your comment anymore.
Brains or minds?
Yes?
Hey were you born this stupid or did something make you this way?
We’re all clowning on that doofus but who measures at conception? How are they actually going to enforce this?
They don’t need to measure. We’re all female at conception. We’re dunking but it’s ACTUALLY that stupid
We should all make sure to call her Madam President
I know it’s that stupid. But it doesn’t matter that it’s stupid. They’re going to use it when they see fit and they have captured the whole legal system to use at their discretion to enact it no matter how stupid it is.
I also know this but I am powerless to do anything but talk shit on the internet.
As are we all.
They’re going to enforce it however they want. Words only mean something to us, these idiots just want carte blanche to attack anyone they deem as not fitting the gender binary.
They’re fascists, they’re only going to enforce it when they want to hurt someone they don’t like or when it benefits them. They don’t give a shit about precedence or conviction or morality or anything other than what serves them in the moment. They have captured the courts, and both houses, and the presidency. Consistency or hypocrisy don’t matter to them. They’ll use whatever justification works in the moment and turn on a dime if it serves them.
Exactly. Just wait until Donnie realises technically all cis-males are trans, as all fetuses start off as female and only begin transitioning to being male six weeks into their existence
Gender abolitionist Trump.
Sweet!
well. I guess I’m now cis woman. mission accomplished I guess 🏳️⚧️
Congratulations!
