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Donald Trump has said that Palestinians have “no alternative” but to leave Gaza due to the devastation left by Israel’s war on Hamas, in effect endorsing ethnic cleansing of the territory over the opposition of Palestinians and the neighbouring countries.
Speaking as he prepared to host Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on Tuesday, Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt – something both countries have firmly rejected.
Trump claimed Palestinians would “love to leave Gaza”, telling reporters: “I would think that they would be thrilled.”
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Trump is just saying the quiet part loud. The Democrats aren’t any different. The last 15 months of genocide proves this.
Americans need to face facts, your country is a bloodthirsty empire that steals the resources, freedoms and conspires against oppressed people.
Do the commenters here really believe the outcome would have been different for the Palestinians if Donald didn’t win? Why?
I really believe the outcome for the millions of brown and queer people in America would have been different if Trump didn’t win.
And my ‘why’ here has been the same why for months- why did that not matter?
So, your desired outcome was to keep the genocides in foreign lands going, to maybe slow it down in the US?
You seem to think “desired outcome” is the same as “outcome I thought was achievable.” They are completely different.
So, what change un outcome did you expect? Because I didn’t expect either candidate to care about dead Palestinians, or exploited workers at home…
I expected people to give a shit about brown and queer people in the U.S.
But they didn’t.
Including you, apparently.
When did voters, or the Dems, actually do anything for brown and Black people in the US?
More cops doesn’t count…
“Other people didn’t care, so I didn’t either” is not the robust self-defense you think it is.
Exactly. Kamala isn’t facing AIPAC anymore. She’s not running for office. She faces literally zero downside in publicly condemning the idea. Since she isn’t condemning it now, why would anyone assume she would do it if she were currently president, when the pressures against her would be much higher?
“She’s not a public figure anymore, she’s a private citizen, why isn’t she condemning this?” Where? In congress? In the white house? How do you know she’s not being vocal about this?
Because the internet exists and you’d be blasting it right now if you could.
Yes the internet exists, but if she hasn’t been able to make a public statement about every bat shit idea, or if there is no recording of her saying anything of it, it couldn’t be shared.
Yes. For one, Israel had already started on their zone idea. For two, Blinken was advocating for a two state solution because that was one of the requirements for Saudi Arabia to establish ties with Israel.
I can’t imagine the Middle East is going to be content with this occupation, especially if it leads to a new trail of tears.
Cope
The amount of hatred against phantom leftists that on the one hand lost the Dems the vote and on the other were too weak to have their demands considered is crazy.
No, these people didn’t lose you the vote. They don’t even exist in this ambivalent form. It was everyday citizens that heard Democrats push the same racist border talking points Trump spewed last election and went “Hm, if even the Dems say this is a problem, I’ll vote the party that talked about how evil Migrants were for decades, the GOP”. It’s people tired of increasingly struggling to make ends meet and the Dems saying everything will stay the same, while Trump promised them change. We know that he just means destroying the last remnants of social security nets for poor people and everything that stands in the way for oligarchs making kaijulllian dollars. But people are stupid and desperate. Why can’t the Democratic party be held to a higher standard than whatever this is?
I’m calling it, this era will be worse than the bush era when it comes to American atrocities.
Hey at least the genocide will be over! Trump is so much better than Kamala on this!
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Aaaah. Now you want to work together. Imagine that! When we asked you all to help keep this from happening, we were told to take our genocide supporting asses and go fuck ourselves.
Now, you’re wanting to play nice? Naaah. I’m calm as a stone too when I tell you that if you didn’t vote, or protested with a bullshit third party loser, you did this.
And we deserve to be angry about it.
Aaaah. Now you want to work together. Imagine that! When we asked you all to help keep this from happening, we were told to take our genocide supporting asses and go fuck ourselves.
I wasn’t on Lemmy since ~late 23 until after the election. Who is “you”? It’s not me.
My specific quotes at the time looked a lot like what I just wrote. Pointing out that the power of the people is in choosing their own candidates, not being handed them by the media and party apparatuses. That the two parties are visibly cooperating on genocide and that the only meaningful course of action is for the people to overthrow them.
I’m sorry, did someone else just say this?
Get your shit together so we can actually fix this.
That not you pretending there’s a “we” here? Because again, if you voted third party, or stayed home- you are openly admitting that you know nothing about the threat we faced, about how elections actually work, and about what the word “we” means.
There is no we that I am a part of that includes you. We tried to stop this. YOU didn’t.
You didn’t try to stop shit. You watched a genocide and voted for the same people committing it, because the only thing that mattered to you was your own ass. You weaponize marginalized people to act like you’re the hero of the story, but you only care about yourself. People who care about justice and have their entire lives know damn well that the entire system needs to be replaced.
Our only chance is unity. Even if I fucking hate people like you. That’s always been the case. That’s been the only chance out of a system where even the “opposition” supports genocide for our entire lives. Whether it’s 2024, or 2028, or picking up the rubble in 2032. But you know what destroys unity? PEOPLE WHO FOLD INTO THE SYSTEM AND DESTROY OUR UNITED FRONT AGAINST OUR OPPRESSORS.
What specifically did you do to try to stop it other than rant and rave on the internet and not vote for certain people?
I didn’t vote for a single person that committed genocide, so stop with the false accusations and… answer this:
Did you stay home when the rest of us voted to stop trump? It’s a simple yes or no.
And you’ve no place to speak of unity when you stood against everyone that stood against trump.
No, it’s unity AGAINST mass murderers. Not unity SUPPORTING them. Even if there’s two of them and one of them is 5% worse!
And I can already hear it. “You only had two choices!” Then I reject your stupid fucking choices.
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Rofl. Biden/Harris trying everything they could to circumvent the blockade to get supplies into Gaza. Trump literally saying he wants to expel the remaining Palestinians and take their land for himself.
You will never admit you were wrong. You will go to your deathbed self assured with yourself that you never compromised on your ideals no matter what actually happens to Gazian Palestinians.
If it wasn’t abundantly obvious to the rest of ya’ll before, these soapbox “never genocide” bad actors never gave a single shit about what happens Palestinians.
Check their comment History. They’re not here in good faith at all. Just call them out and move on, but they don’t deserve a debate on this.
Biden/Harris trying everything they could to circumvent the blockade to get supplies into Gaza
What a bold lie. Biden vetoed UN votes to stop the blockade. He defended the Israeli military shooting unarmed Palestinians who approached the blockade and approved of Israel blocking the investigations of the deaths of NGO workers.
You could argue Biden was more in favor of peace than Trump is, but in practice he didn’t differ from Trump’s previous term on Israel. His record is clear.
The US built a whole temporary harbor to deliver aid to Gaza.
Who do you think is paying for the blockade?
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Trying everything except:
- not sending weapons
- supporting UN actions to stop it
- sending peacekeeping forces
- sending relief supplies
- not supporting a rogue nuclear nation
- financial embargo on Israel
sending peacekeeping forces
Is Trump‘s Plan.
No, he plans to send a unilateral conquering and occupation force.
There is a difference.
Rofl
Red flag number one, laughing about genocide.
Biden/Harris trying everything they could to circumvent the blockade to get supplies into Gaza
Except applying diplomatic pressure, Except taking military assets and delivering the supplies (besides the stupid symbolic airdrops that didn’t even come close to meeting requirements and killed a bunch of people). Except stopping arming, or even threatening to stop arming, the military that was blocking those supplies - in contravention of international and US law. Except Antony Blinken literally falsifying reports to Congress about “Israel” blocking supplies, because that would legally implicate the Biden administration for continuing to arm them.
Trump literally saying he wants to expel
“Saying”. That’s the problem with you. All you hear is words. You don’t read bills. You don’t look at arms shipments. You don’t read the history. You look at headlines.
What did i just say?
“This genocide started under Biden, with his support, and is continuing under Trump, with his support.”
They absolutely obliterated Gaza with Biden-supplied bombs while he sat there with his hands over his eyes going, “I don’t see anything wrong!” And then after two weeks in office, Trump goes, “oh my god, it’s totally destroyed! We’d better ethnically cleanse them.” while literally sitting next to Netanyahu. And in your brilliant brain, you don’t see the plan at work here.
If it wasn’t abundantly obvious to the rest of ya’ll before, these soapbox “never genocide” bad actors never gave a single shit about what happens Palestinians.
You are the one laughing in a message about their genocide. Look at my message. Do I sound like I’m fucking laughing?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Bro it isn’t worth it. I respect what you are trying to do, but Lemmy is an echo chamber on these things. You are completely right in what you are saying, but you’re wasting your time commenting here.
Clearly, if Kamala had won she would have personally resurrected every dead Palestinian and single-handedly repaired all the infrastructure. Let’s conveniently ignore that she was Vice President in an administration that circumvented Congress multiple times to deliver arms with less oversight, that (almost) every US elected official has vocally supported Israel’s actions for 70+ years, and that Kamala herself committed to nothing of substance on the topic.
Wow… this is almost every logical fallacy rolled into one comment.
Bravo!
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Engage with honesty and integrity and compassion, or stop fucking responding to my comments.
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ROFL
applying diplomatic pressure
US diplomatic pressure delayed the Rafah offensive by several weeks. And there were many other things as well.
US diplomatic pressure delayed the Rafah offensive by several weeks. And there were many other things as well.
First - provide any real proof of this.
Second - Rafah is completely destroyed. Biden administration described it as a “red line” along with the weasel words “major operation”, and then walked it back after it was completely destroyed, saying the “red line” had not been crossed, despite Rafah having been completely destroyed. With the bombs they provided.
The U.S. is a military superpower. “Israel” is not. Actual diplomatic pressure applied would have ended the genocide - period. Your comment just screams to me how little research you’ve done on the genocide.
provide any real proof of this
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/how-israel-avoided-bidens-red-line-ad715144
For obvious reasons, I don’t have transcripts of secret diplomatic meetings.
saying the “red line” had not been crossed, despite Rafah having been completely destroyed
Yes, because the civilians had more time to leave because of US pressure.
would have ended the genocide
The ICJ ordered Israel to take measures that ensure there won’t be a genocide.
It’s a brutal war in in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched enemy hiding behind civilians.
For obvious reasons, I don’t have transcripts of secret diplomatic meetings.
OK, so in other words, no proof except the say-so of the involved parties. Which demonstrably was not enough to stop Rafah from being flattened.
Yes, because the civilians had more time to leave because of US pressure.
Also known as “ethnic cleansing”. You’re aware the civilians did not want to leave?
The ICJ ordered Israel to take measures that ensure there won’t be a genocide.
And they didn’t. They didn’t even hand in the mandated report after… 1 month? That was a year ago now.
It’s a brutal war in in a dense urban environment against a deeply entrenched enemy hiding behind civilians.
We really arguing the Zionist talking points now? This how far this site has sunk?
“Human shields” argument also completely unsubstantiated, and visibly used as an excuse to demolish all civilian infrastructure. ~40k Hamas fighters, Hamas not even removed from power, after 1.5 years where hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed and the entire Gaza Strip has been completely flattened. And hundreds of openly genocidal statements from “Israeli” politicians, no less! My god, to actually fucking ignore those.
I’m not responding to this guy again. Assuming he’s gonna keep going. What he’s posting is literal genocidal incitement.
It’s crazy how easy trump and his buddy netanyahu played you guys in a way that it benefited him. The American left completely splintered into subgroups that all hated each other and nobody was good enough to be an ally. If you were slightly right or even left of their firm views, your help wasn’t wanted. Just a bunch of left leaning voters slinging shit at each other and NOT voting. Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at you guys, way to go. You shot yourself in the foot and call it a win cause you got blood on the democrats.
The same democrats you are now demanding should save you from all this shit you guys enabled.
Sincerely, a Canadian.
This is the most accurate assessment of the whole situation I’ve seen.
A now Trump is sending our children to die in a foreign land so he can enrich himself further. Slow clap to all the “winners.”
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Why are you blaming the people for not supporting genocide? Shouldnt the focus be on the supposed progressive party that did everything to enable the fascist party winning, because they refused to stop the genocide, acknowledge the economic hardship of working class people and all the other things a progressive party should do?
The US has a fascist and a far right party. The far right party is enabling the fascist party and they are still doing it right now with voting more and more of Trumps people into elected government positions.
And if there had been more pressure on the Democrats prior to the election, they might had been forced to abandon the genocide and some of their oligarch donors. Trump couldn’t have played this, if the DNC wasn’t supporting his game at every step of the way.
First they kept lying straight about how Biden was totally fit for office, as everyone could see him blitzed out of his mind. Then they put Harris who ran on “vibes”, downplayed the economic hardship for working class people and denied any sincere discussion with people opposing the genocide. Finally they brought on the war criminal and mass murderer Cheney to really drill home the fact, that the party has no ethics and only cares about money and power. Just that they like to use soft power on their own citizens, rather than hard power. And as good joke to the end Biden talked about oligarchs but claimed there to be good billionaires vs. the bad billionaires.
Stop blaming the people. Blame and fight the oligarchy that is represented in all of the political elites and their billionaire lords.
Jesus fuck you really think it was MSM libs that opposed you here.
Anarchist, know more than you, and it was completely evident this would happen which is objectively worse. Stop the cope.
Oh, so now it’s “get the fuck over it”? Both sides are totally the same!
I don’t think so, bebe. You motherfuckers will NEVER be permitted to live this down. This is YOUR fault. We will make you choke on it.
Not even fucking remotely what I said.
Honestly thank you for being here and writing this. The “but Kamala” comments are super hurtful to me because I remember how the Americans have been treating us ever since. My entire family is displaced from Palestine, had to abandon studies in Syria, Iraq back in the day, had to flee again from Kuwait, my friends and acquaintances together have lost hundreds of family members. We have lost family members and ongoing trauma from having lived under occupation. It’s unbearable and you can’t even do therapy because it’s still going on, you can’t get closure.
I don’t know a single Palestinian out there who hasn’t lost family or friends, or who has family or friends who moved abroad for good.
We’ve been suffering from ethnic cleansing, apartheid, collective gaslighting since 1948 and we’ve been facing violence and terror since even much longer. As if it would make a difference to us if the person who’s literally providing the means to annihilate us is saying nice words while doing the opposite? Trump is escalating our annihilation and we never doubted that, but the Gaza genocide alone has been going on for almost 1.5 years and there was no Trump.
Many people here really don’t seem to care about the actual people. The same way we aren’t human to Trump & the Zionists, I don’t feel human when Harris supporters use Palestinians to say “I told you so”.
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Some of you all are just in full freakout mode these past two weeks. I’m calm as stone. Know why?
Because none of Trump’s executive orders personally affect you or anyone you love. Must be nice.
Unfortunately it’s not that way for everyone. Many of us are trying to figure out how to survive the next four years without dying to a preventive illness or ending up in a concentration camp, so I’m not sorry if us “freaking out” offends you.
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No, because I have decades of trauma that you people are just beginning to feel.
As I went on to explain in my comment, which for some reason you felt the need to just selectively quote and then reframe in some completely bullshit way.
Thank God there’s finally a solution
Both parties support Israel. Trump reined them in so that he could reallocate his resources and make headway on his own foreign policy, but has no problem seeing Gaza stolen from the surviving Palestinians.
Trump has no authority over the Palestinian people and/or territories.
I think Trump would be thrilled to get deported to Russia
Americans have no choice but bring Trump to justice STAT.
Single-issue voters, when EVERYTHING was at stake, deserve all the hate they get, but are too stupid to understand. The worst kind of trumpers, ones that don’t think they are.
If I had a nickle for every people forced to leave the Levant, Id have two nickles. Which isnt alot but its weirfd that it happened twice
Trump repeated the suggestion that Gaza’s population should be relocated to Jordan and Egypt
So trump advocating for illegal immigration to Jordan and Egypt? Didn’t he just throw a fit claiming Canada and Mexico are supporting that to the USA?
Canada is sending drugs or something, but conservatives have never cared about illegal immigration by white people. Latinos however are “different” and don’t belong here. Currently that means non-American Latinos and the US, but it’ll extend to Latino Americans in the wrong place within the US. It’s never been about citizenship.
It’s simple: He can’t tell the difference between Palestinians, Jordanians and Egyptians, and therefore neither can they.
HAR HAR DON’T THEY KNOW THE IRONY?!
for fuck sake, THEY DO NOT CARE.
Why is this so hard to grasp???
So America will take ALL Gazans, right, right?
I’d ask protest voters if they’re feeling pretty stupid right now, but the truth is they never gave a flying fuck about Palestinians. They only cared about feeling morally superior.
Trash humans.
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