He worked for a company that redistributed wealth for covering healthcare costs, but kept too much for themselves pushing some people into debt, and that company is still operating exactly the same today as it was before.
Thats not even UHC that was Anthem BCBS and they published the policy change on Thursday while Brian was murdered on Wednesday so unless you think they wrote up changes, held board meetings, and went through the review process as a medicaid provider in under 24hours then it wasn’t even related.
You should go listen to some of the shit the UHC suits have been saying, its been the polar opposite of apologetic, Brian might as well have been martyr to them.
Yeah but if enough people follow suit, then you might actually get some real change. Either because the insurance companies are terrified of retribution or because the government takes a hint (that is assuming you actually get another election).
Besides even if he is found guilty (which I’m not sure he is considering he was having breakfast with me at the time of the shooting). A good legal team could still negotiate for a lighter sentence or better conditions.
Ok so he has money, he has more than enough to treat his own condition. He did what he did because he’s seen so many other people suffer needlessly. He’s a good guy and people feel good helping him out. Let them.
And then one day he got up and decided to never do it again. He threw away any positive impact he could ever make on the world. He threw away his Ivy League Rich Boy education. It’s all worthless in the shadow of petty revenge, to Luigi Mangione.
He and the rest of the organization’s bigwhigs chose policies that don’t cover the costs of a comparatively small number of people’s medical care. As did the guy who took his place.
Luigi killed him for that and nothing changed. Why are we supposed to cheer for nothing changing?
If that was his best try then very clearly some of us are putting our support behind the wrong guy.
You know some of these replies to me are just mask off Tankies, right? That should really put into perspective what sort of people promote this guy: people who don’t want to fix US healthcare but rather people who want to tear down the state.
Things that would be infinitely better use of your money than a rich kids’ legal defence:
Bernie Sanders’ campaign contribution
Childrens Research Hospital Donation
Printing up and distributing localized Union instructional pamphlets
Things specifically better for ending privatized healthcare:
Volunteering for DNC and informing people of the differences in platform between the GOP (pure privatization platform) and the DNC (would have already passed single payer a decade ago if they had even one more vote than the 58 DNC and 1 IND)
First it wasn’t a random guy, he went after Brian Thomson specifically.
The message is that people support what Luigi did, or perhaps they don’t condone murder but they support that the industry is fucked and they want change.
I am interested in the trial and whether any meaningful change comes from this act. Either way I think it’s pretty heroic to throw your live, a rather privileged life at that, away for what you believe in. Misguided or not.
Brian Thompson is a random guy who worked as a suit for an unethicaly company. He was immediately replaced by another suit and the company has openly denied doing anything wrong, refusing to change how unethical it still is to this day.
Polls show Luigi’s actions are not condoned by a majority of any demographic. Change in the industry won’t come from this.
Heroic is selflessly doing what is right, not selfishly doing what is emotionally pleasing.
48% of the pop feel it was justified for a random citizen to execute a guy in the street. That isn’t a majority but its more than normal fraction of 1% of the people. Its right up there with how people feel about child rapists.
I said the public holds the United Healthcare CEO and child rapists in similar esteem. I did not in fact compare Mangione to a child rapist. I’ve seen other polls that say 48% believe what Mangione did was either entirely or somewhat justified. You can get a LOT of difference based on exactly what you ask.
The Banality of Evil is a concept where an evil act is so spread out by bureaucrats and process, no one person feels responsible for the act. The “Just Doing My Job” excuse didn’t work at the Nuremberg trials.
You know what they did for Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials?
They got a fair chance to make their case. Many were re-educated and reformed so they could be reintroduced to society.
Brian Thompson didn’t exactly run concentration camps that made jews dig trenches to be buried in together, he made a company policy that negatively impacted the financial situation of an unknown number of people, so he got shot dead in a parking lot by a man he’d never had any interactions with.
I think we should change the system. I don’t think Luigi did a single fucking thing towards that effect.
You just dont want him to have an effect because you disagree with his methods. Its already had an effect, and will continue to do so likely well after his trial concludes. Brian Thompson was a murderer, just like every other decision maker that works in health insurance. People dont mind when murderers get murdered. What’s the phrase? Just desserts?
A lot of people keep saying there was an effect, but fail to say what the effect was. Then, they fall back on saying there could be an effect if we just had more murders.
Luigi’s supporters want to make an example out of Thompson so the next suit that fills his role thinks twice before choosing profit over healthcare.
If the legal consequences are minimal, then it encourages future actions by others or at least supports the semi-unspoken threat that it is likely to happen again if the ruling class keeps fucking around.
There are an infinite number of suits to fill that role unless we make changes to the system of laws and create new routes for finances to go towards covering healthcare.
Where there is profit to be made legally, there will always be people willing to do so.
Luigi’s supporters advocate for actions that do nothing for us.
You seem to not understand the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder while somehow fully understanding the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder trial.
I’m having a hard time interpreting that position as anything but a bad faith argument.
I seem to not see the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder because there demonstrably is no measurable effect.
Promoting Luigi as anything other than a guy who killed another guy is a bad faith argument. People should go donate to Bernie Sander’s organization to elect young competent progressives, or give to a children’s hospital instead, do some actual good. Luigi doesn’t need your money, he has his own.
Not a random guy still, but the one who brought change that denied claims at double the national average. Of course they won’t admit any wrongdoing the shareholders would crucify them. It’s too soon to tell if anything meaningful will come of his actions.
Polls? Did you check who paid for those polls. I could run a poll where it says 80% of people confirm the sky is pink, but if 80% of the respondents are colour blind can we really be sure the sky is pink. Point being don’t trust polls. Don’t trust me either by the way, I’m one person who is critically online and honestly the people against Luigi’s actions were a vast minority. On here, reddit, YouTube comments (even on Ben Shapiro’s own channel), and news reports with comments. Now full transparency that might not be indicative of all people but it sure seemed that way.
Heroic === brave
Brave = ready to face and endure danger or pain. Seems appropriate to me.
Emerson College students operate Emerson College Polling, sometimes taking donations or using research grant money but they’re low traffic and usually don’t engage in politics. The sample size was 1000 people and saw only 17% found the killing justified.
That article shows more people thought the killing was unjustified than those who thought it was justified in every poll.
48% said they view the killing as totally or somewhat justified.
Those findings chime with an Emerson College poll which found that 41% of voters under 30 found the killing “acceptable,” far more than in any other age group.
Noteworthy that the Emerson College Poll actually found 17% total thought it was justified, the 41% being only among young people specifically.
Is it good to rely on a poll of a demographic that’s not generally directly affected by healthcare costs (college students are generally at an age where they are able to stay on their parents’ insurance and may not be the ones footing the bill for treatment, but rather their parents do)?
No, but the young group was the only group that even came close to support of Luigi’s actions, so they get cited a lot by the sort of nutjobs that post this to uplifting news.
A hero who kills one random guy, changes nothing, gives 10k to the police, and lives in prison?
Why would we want that?
Oh, he wasn’t a random guy. He was a mass murder. As in present tense at the time he was executed
He worked for a company that redistributed wealth for covering healthcare costs, but kept too much for themselves pushing some people into debt, and that company is still operating exactly the same today as it was before.
iirc they changed one of their policies shortly after his death. I think it was insulin or something but I can’t remember.
Yes, there were definitely positive changes after their CEO was executed with popular support
Can’t find anything anywhere indicating that. The last time they walked back a policy to my knowledge was in 2023.
It was for Anesthesia.
Thats not even UHC that was Anthem BCBS and they published the policy change on Thursday while Brian was murdered on Wednesday so unless you think they wrote up changes, held board meetings, and went through the review process as a medicaid provider in under 24hours then it wasn’t even related.
You should go listen to some of the shit the UHC suits have been saying, its been the polar opposite of apologetic, Brian might as well have been martyr to them.
Yeah but if enough people follow suit, then you might actually get some real change. Either because the insurance companies are terrified of retribution or because the government takes a hint (that is assuming you actually get another election).
Besides even if he is found guilty (which I’m not sure he is considering he was having breakfast with me at the time of the shooting). A good legal team could still negotiate for a lighter sentence or better conditions.
Might maybe possibly kind convince a few people to reconsider
Fuck that, theres way better ways than giving to those who have more than enough.
Ok so he has money, he has more than enough to treat his own condition. He did what he did because he’s seen so many other people suffer needlessly. He’s a good guy and people feel good helping him out. Let them.
Treat his own…?
What the fuck are you talking about? This crowdfunding goes towards his legal defence because he’s in jail for MURDER.
The guy spent a large part of his free time on Reddit helping other people with his congenital spine condition navigate their insurance claims.
And then one day he got up and decided to never do it again. He threw away any positive impact he could ever make on the world. He threw away his Ivy League Rich Boy education. It’s all worthless in the shadow of petty revenge, to Luigi Mangione.
He intentionally chose policies that killed people. Boohoo. He got we He deserved.
He and the rest of the organization’s bigwhigs chose policies that don’t cover the costs of a comparatively small number of people’s medical care. As did the guy who took his place.
Luigi killed him for that and nothing changed. Why are we supposed to cheer for nothing changing?
We’re cheering for someone actually fucking doing something to try to change that instead of whining on the Internet.
If that was his best try then very clearly some of us are putting our support behind the wrong guy.
You know some of these replies to me are just mask off Tankies, right? That should really put into perspective what sort of people promote this guy: people who don’t want to fix US healthcare but rather people who want to tear down the state.
Okay, so what’s your plan to improve things and what steps have you taken towards implementing it?
Things that would be infinitely better use of your money than a rich kids’ legal defence:
Bernie Sanders’ campaign contribution
Childrens Research Hospital Donation
Printing up and distributing localized Union instructional pamphlets
Things specifically better for ending privatized healthcare:
It’s about sending a message
Whats the message?
First it wasn’t a random guy, he went after Brian Thomson specifically.
The message is that people support what Luigi did, or perhaps they don’t condone murder but they support that the industry is fucked and they want change.
I am interested in the trial and whether any meaningful change comes from this act. Either way I think it’s pretty heroic to throw your live, a rather privileged life at that, away for what you believe in. Misguided or not.
Brian Thompson is a random guy who worked as a suit for an unethicaly company. He was immediately replaced by another suit and the company has openly denied doing anything wrong, refusing to change how unethical it still is to this day.
Polls show Luigi’s actions are not condoned by a majority of any demographic. Change in the industry won’t come from this.
Heroic is selflessly doing what is right, not selfishly doing what is emotionally pleasing.
48% of the pop feel it was justified for a random citizen to execute a guy in the street. That isn’t a majority but its more than normal fraction of 1% of the people. Its right up there with how people feel about child rapists.
41% of youth
17% of people total
According to Emerson College Polling.
I don’t think comparing Luigi Mangione to Child Rapists is helping your case.
I said the public holds the United Healthcare CEO and child rapists in similar esteem. I did not in fact compare Mangione to a child rapist. I’ve seen other polls that say 48% believe what Mangione did was either entirely or somewhat justified. You can get a LOT of difference based on exactly what you ask.
See it was hard to infer that because the only person in this situation who committed a crime was Luigi Mangione.
The Banality of Evil is a concept where an evil act is so spread out by bureaucrats and process, no one person feels responsible for the act. The “Just Doing My Job” excuse didn’t work at the Nuremberg trials.
You know what they did for Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials?
They got a fair chance to make their case. Many were re-educated and reformed so they could be reintroduced to society.
Brian Thompson didn’t exactly run concentration camps that made jews dig trenches to be buried in together, he made a company policy that negatively impacted the financial situation of an unknown number of people, so he got shot dead in a parking lot by a man he’d never had any interactions with.
I think we should change the system. I don’t think Luigi did a single fucking thing towards that effect.
The Nazis decided who lived and who died.
Guess what insurance companies do.
Luigi Mangione decided who lived and who died, sounds like thats the privilege what you want, too.
The allies were better than them, better than you.
You just dont want him to have an effect because you disagree with his methods. Its already had an effect, and will continue to do so likely well after his trial concludes. Brian Thompson was a murderer, just like every other decision maker that works in health insurance. People dont mind when murderers get murdered. What’s the phrase? Just desserts?
A lot of people keep saying there was an effect, but fail to say what the effect was. Then, they fall back on saying there could be an effect if we just had more murders.
Luigi’s supporters want to make an example out of Thompson so the next suit that fills his role thinks twice before choosing profit over healthcare.
If the legal consequences are minimal, then it encourages future actions by others or at least supports the semi-unspoken threat that it is likely to happen again if the ruling class keeps fucking around.
There are an infinite number of suits to fill that role unless we make changes to the system of laws and create new routes for finances to go towards covering healthcare.
Where there is profit to be made legally, there will always be people willing to do so.
Luigi’s supporters advocate for actions that do nothing for us.
You seem to not understand the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder while somehow fully understanding the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder trial.
I’m having a hard time interpreting that position as anything but a bad faith argument.
I seem to not see the deterrent effect of being the target of a murder because there demonstrably is no measurable effect.
Promoting Luigi as anything other than a guy who killed another guy is a bad faith argument. People should go donate to Bernie Sander’s organization to elect young competent progressives, or give to a children’s hospital instead, do some actual good. Luigi doesn’t need your money, he has his own.
Not a random guy still, but the one who brought change that denied claims at double the national average. Of course they won’t admit any wrongdoing the shareholders would crucify them. It’s too soon to tell if anything meaningful will come of his actions.
Polls? Did you check who paid for those polls. I could run a poll where it says 80% of people confirm the sky is pink, but if 80% of the respondents are colour blind can we really be sure the sky is pink. Point being don’t trust polls. Don’t trust me either by the way, I’m one person who is critically online and honestly the people against Luigi’s actions were a vast minority. On here, reddit, YouTube comments (even on Ben Shapiro’s own channel), and news reports with comments. Now full transparency that might not be indicative of all people but it sure seemed that way.
Heroic === brave
Brave = ready to face and endure danger or pain. Seems appropriate to me.
Emerson College students operate Emerson College Polling, sometimes taking donations or using research grant money but they’re low traffic and usually don’t engage in politics. The sample size was 1000 people and saw only 17% found the killing justified.
That’s a very small sample size, not that I’m doubting you here. Just think it would be interesting to look into it more.
1000 is fine its the method and practice of sampling that is challenging
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/09/luigi-mangione-approval-poll-gen-z
That article shows more people thought the killing was unjustified than those who thought it was justified in every poll.
Noteworthy that the Emerson College Poll actually found 17% total thought it was justified, the 41% being only among young people specifically.
Is it good to rely on a poll of a demographic that’s not generally directly affected by healthcare costs (college students are generally at an age where they are able to stay on their parents’ insurance and may not be the ones footing the bill for treatment, but rather their parents do)?
No, but the young group was the only group that even came close to support of Luigi’s actions, so they get cited a lot by the sort of nutjobs that post this to uplifting news.