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Eat the rich
Wait … how is that link working?? kbin.social has been offline for months.
Edit: Ohhhh … the name of the community at LW is “[email protected]” - now I see.
No, you’re right the 1st time. It’s eattherich, hosted at kbin. It’s a weird side effect of federating. The original instance hosting the comm is gone, but all posts and comments go into the local instance first (in this case, Ozma’s posts to .world) to be federated back to the main instance (kbin). Since kbin is gone, that federation ain’t happening, and nobody from any other instance can view the content from their home instance. But you can directly view .world’s local copy of what it thinks the instance should look like, which contains all of Ozma’s contributions.
Ah, I wondered why nobody else was posting there! Thanks for the explanation.
This is super cool
I don’t think we’ve yet witnessed the full benefits of the distributed nature/federation.
Is it just me or is the sub empty
It’s not just you. See my other comment for technical explanation.
Your instance needs to be instructed to fetch it.
E.g., by setting up a subscript’ to the community, or viewing individual threads and comments.
The interesting thing here, as the other responder observed, is it’s the local copy of a previously-federated community.
I would have assumed that the copies would be read-only from outside the actual instance. But it sounds like you’re able to post to the copied-communities too. Lul.
That sounds like something I have no control over but the admins might
I have no control over but the admins might
You mean the fetching?
Naw dawg. You can either subscribe to the community or search for an external link from within your instance (e.g., for a thread or comment). The former will be recurring, the latter is per-search.
It’s not always an instant refresh, and sometimes it doesn’t pull in everything either. Other things can disrupt this like defederation, instance-level restrictions by admins of course, or even version differences and botched updates.
But, otherwise, you should be able to force a pull yourself as well.
It’s you.
Given the way federating works, just because you’re seeing something doesn’t mean everybody else is seeing the same thing you do.
And? I can see content there. Parent commenter can’t.
There’s a difference between “works for me”, and “it’s you”.
But I am full!
You gotta finish em, Brucie!
Then slowed… then surged… then slowed… then surged… then slowed… then they had some orange juice and a muffin… and now they’re surging again.
Then it fell into the swamp
The court should examine how many people were murdered by UHC.
If he doesn’t walk, bust him out by force.
How is he going to defend against suicide with a bullet to the back of his head?
By who? Didn’t Trumpelon piss off federal agents of all kinds?
I know it’s exited the news cycle, but I still remember this was a big thing for the left and right to both agree on supporting. I’d very much like to prompt Trump for his opinion on the man to force him to take a side.
Actually, a pretty substantial minority of people think what Luigi did was right.
Are you a cop or just a bootlicker?
I bet more cops and bootlickers agree with you than not. My stance doesn’t promote any authority at all, it’s as simple as “pointless murder is wrong, doesn’t help us”.
EDIT: BTW that user is a fucking Tankie so it’s extra ironic.
I agree that cops have no place here. If They wanna lick boots and circlejerk eachother about how just their unjust system is they can go to reddit or Twitter.
Pretty off topic
Is murder always wrong?
Like the trolley problem. How is indifference to other preventable deaths any better than killing one dude.
I mean, definitionally yes murder is always wrong. Killing isn’t always wrong, but murder is when killing is unjustified so yeah, it’s always wrong.
Maybe in law speak, but murder and kill are synonymous.
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They are very similar, yes, but synonyms will often have subtly different definitions and connotations that mean you can’t just replace one with the other wherever you want. Frankly, the difference between murder and killing is something I learned in high school English so I understand that the difference might have been off your radar before now, but this is the way the words are used most frequently, they’re different words for a reason. Murder implies a moral or legal judgement on the action of killing, and killing is just dispassionately describing that something has died as a result of some other action. We all learn something new every day, it’s OK not to know something.
Luigi’s Trolly Problem:
2 separate tracks
Track 1 has Brian Thompson, pulling the lever kills him but he is immediately replaced by another guy
Track 2 has some unknown number of people who will die regardless of any action you take
Yes, one Luigi will not solve the problem. Once you get past 4 or 5, you’ll find less people willing to take on the risk of the job. You get to a dozen, and you’ll be shocked just how much progress we get.
If nobody does the job then nobody gets health insurance and everything is out of pocket for everyone, you realize? Even worse now that the USA Federal Government is freezing funds for Medicaid.
Luigi’s assassination absolutely had a point, and had immediate results in BCBS rescinding/delaying their plan to cut anesthesia allowance for people during surgery. Luigi directly saved thousands of people from unnecessary suffering with just one targeted attack. Imagine what a more widespread action could accomplish.
I’m betting you’re a cop. You’ve got the same blind loyalty to the law, paired with a lack of moral compass.
BCBS announced those changed before the assassination, they also stopped suing over medical debts the year prior, got any others?
Also, even if Luigi did somehow change that and not the countless other people including the governor going after them in court and on social media for the year prior, it would have saved people from potential debt, not death and not certain debt.
To say a canary in a coal mine has no effect is wild…
Lmao, beyond stupid metaphor
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I made a couple edits trying to find a better source, sorry for the wait.
Ah wait hang on wrong link, 1 moment
Theres like a million articles talking about this story after UHC happened so it’s taking a minute
It was published Dec 4th talking about “last thursday” which would be Nov 28th!
Ah but the article was updated on the 6th…
You know what, I might have been misinformed about this, it’s possible that the changes took place on Dec 5th, all the paperwork being written up, board meetings held, and filed less than 24 hours after the assassination, although I still doubt Luigi had as much to do with it as the Governor saying “Outrageous. I’m going to make sure New Yorkers are protected" just before that. And also those bad policy changes were announced in late 2023 or January 2024 but also never implemented due to criticism they received then as well.
That was not the sentiment I saw when it happened.
I saw incredibly low turnout for people against the action taken but I saw people on the left and right agreeing and with glee. Like everywhere.
Here is an Emerson Poll that found TOTAL 17% of people agree the killing was justified, and the highest demographic was young people with 41% (still not a majority). https://www.axios.com/2024/12/17/united-healthcare-ceo-killing-poll
The poll was about a week after the killing.
Another small poll of college students found this:
according to a poll conducted by College Pulse and shared with Newsweek—32 percent of survey participants said he should be sentenced to life imprisonment with the possibility of parole; 14 percent chose life imprisonment without the chance of parole; 26 percent preferred a fixed-term prison sentence; and 2 percent believed he should get the death penalty. The remaining respondents chose “other” or “no opinion.”
The link isn’t working for me, but I remember reading that if you look at more nuanced sentiments it was a larger percentage of Americans that did not fully condemn Luigi’s actions.
"The USA Today/Suffolk University poll conducted between January 7 to 11 found 28.50 percent of registered voters believe the shooting was wrong, but “understand the alleged shooter’s anger with the healthcare system”
“In addition, 64.60 percent of registered voters believe the shooting was wrong and the person who did it should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.” Newsweek
Hmm that’s interesting. My impression was that approval was much higher, anecdotal of course tho and not really representative.
This just in: most people will not admit to being +1 to killings on the record woth their actual name attached.
Never heard of Emerson but I would be asking who paid for that poll? Did they have a vested interest in playing down support? Has the poll been manipulated to get the best charts etc.
PragerU puts out lots of polls, but it doesn’t mean they’re valid.
Emerson College was established in Boston, Massachussets in 1880
Their “About Us”
The Polling Center is a non-partisan organization dedicated to accurately reflecting populations through public opinion research. Established 25 years ago as a classroom exercise, in 2012 Emerson College Polling was transformed into an innovative, nationally-ranked polling center. Emerson College Polling conducts research on civic behavior, polling methodology, public health, and public policy.
Emerson College Polling (ECP) is a Charter Member of the American Association of Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) Transparency Initiative. AAPOR is the leading professional organization of public opinion and survey research professionals in the United States, with members from academia, media, government, the nonprofit sector, and private industry. ECP publishes not only its full topline results, but also its full crosstabs for each survey, aiming to ensure that data is easily accessible and available to researchers.
They also have a MBFC rating of least biased LINK HERE
They haven’t failed a fact check in 5 years, have very low traffic/popularity, and in the past rarely reported on politics.
Thanks for this. Very usual to know. Appreciate you linking sources too.
You dont need to worry about the validity. Most people are going to lie to pollsters about this topic. No one with two brain cells would go on the record with their real name to being okay with murder.
prompt Trump for his opinion on
the mananything to force him to take a side.That’s how you get banned from the press pool.
Best to not remind Trump that Luigi exsist. Don’t need him falling out a window with the cameras off and the guards napping.
Haha you think trump is deciding anything still. Didn’t you see how they had to walk back his Israel comment?
https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect
Wanna help get those numbers up?
Before I donate. How do I know the money is actually spent as proposed? I don’t know anything about the site or who raises the money.
European btw.
Here are some news articles that links to it directly or mention the site by name. Hopefully this gives the legitimacy you want
Best donation I’ve ever made.
Donated, thanks
How does it benefit anyone?
Scenario where legal team is able to pull something off:
Brave man gets best legal defense imaginable because of donations
Gets off or small sentence
Shows crazy people and billionaires this could happen again and people will help the suspect out
???
More progress is made.
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This reminds me of the fine Lemming that keeps posting something like “Things will not improve until the rich meaningfully fear for their lives”
That is probably correct.
Luigi’s
familyFather is RichLuigi made 6 figures with his tech job and his multiple ivy league engineering degrees
A lot of these fundraisers probably dont even end up used for his defense, some are scams
Benefits a hero
A hero who kills one random guy, changes nothing, gives 10k to the police, and lives in prison?
Why would we want that?
Oh, he wasn’t a random guy. He was a mass murder. As in present tense at the time he was executed
He worked for a company that redistributed wealth for covering healthcare costs, but kept too much for themselves pushing some people into debt, and that company is still operating exactly the same today as it was before.
iirc they changed one of their policies shortly after his death. I think it was insulin or something but I can’t remember.
Yes, there were definitely positive changes after their CEO was executed with popular support
Can’t find anything anywhere indicating that. The last time they walked back a policy to my knowledge was in 2023.
Yeah but if enough people follow suit, then you might actually get some real change. Either because the insurance companies are terrified of retribution or because the government takes a hint (that is assuming you actually get another election).
Besides even if he is found guilty (which I’m not sure he is considering he was having breakfast with me at the time of the shooting). A good legal team could still negotiate for a lighter sentence or better conditions.
Might maybe possibly kind convince a few people to reconsider
Fuck that, theres way better ways than giving to those who have more than enough.
He intentionally chose policies that killed people. Boohoo. He got we He deserved.
He and the rest of the organization’s bigwhigs chose policies that don’t cover the costs of a comparatively small number of people’s medical care. As did the guy who took his place.
Luigi killed him for that and nothing changed. Why are we supposed to cheer for nothing changing?
It’s about sending a message
Whats the message?
First it wasn’t a random guy, he went after Brian Thomson specifically.
The message is that people support what Luigi did, or perhaps they don’t condone murder but they support that the industry is fucked and they want change.
I am interested in the trial and whether any meaningful change comes from this act. Either way I think it’s pretty heroic to throw your live, a rather privileged life at that, away for what you believe in. Misguided or not.
Brian Thompson is a random guy who worked as a suit for an unethicaly company. He was immediately replaced by another suit and the company has openly denied doing anything wrong, refusing to change how unethical it still is to this day.
Polls show Luigi’s actions are not condoned by a majority of any demographic. Change in the industry won’t come from this.
Heroic is selflessly doing what is right, not selfishly doing what is emotionally pleasing.
he comes from like one of the richest families in the country…
I’m sure his ultra right wing family is just throwing money at his defense.
If someone is trying to help; I don’t care what family they come from.
They probably are. As long as they aren’t gay rich white families will pay for most anything for their kid…
Yes, they will. It’s OK to be gay they’re rich enough to afford it. What’s not ok is being gay publicly.
Pray for Saint Luigi
And thus the lord said: “Get really pissed off reading books and news, then kill people you’ve never met before instead of doing literally anything else to actually change the system that causes the problems you were angry about in the first place” Amen.
EDIT: /s is mandatory
Hit the invisible ? Block and get a Super Star!
Is it possible to make a tax deductable donation to hit Trump or Musk?
No, but you might be able to set up a betting pool. If you just happen to win, make sure you have an alibi.
But seriously, don’t do that. The person who originally thought up that, who I wont name because his name and the name for this thing are probably weighted heavy in the spider bots, was a student who landed in jail twice for tax evasion. Like, the second time happened immediately after the first.
I hear Luigi is starting Luigi coin, where 80% of the coin is held at first by himself and the other 20% available. Slowly he will introduce more into the market
If he does that I’m buying!
Yeah I’ve spent a ton of money on much dumber memes, this one is tempting…
I mean all I did was switch the name Trump out for Luigi, as everyone already knew the Trump coin was just an easy way give Trump money. Wasn’t that the original setup, he held 80% of the coins, and started selling off 20% to artificially create value for the 80% he already owned without regulation or any practices set up to monitor who was directly “giving” money to him.
Then as people start buying he just sells off his coins to make money off that artificially inflated coin.
idk if a Mario brother is the right person for that.
donate to BJ Blazkowicz instead.
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None of that is real. Health care companies have been abusing the population pretty hard for a very long time. They kept rolling dice until they crapped out.
People hate them enough that a lot of people actually support or at least approve of what he did. Its not much more complicated than that.
Why would you be able to launder money by donating it to a random dudes death penalty defence fund?
Actually, my money laundering theory holds water. Ever heard of shell companies and dark money? The sudden surge pattern matches known laundering schemes. Do your research beyond mainstream propaganda.
Money laundering has an input and output both are controlled in order to move money from a dirty source for instance money earned on selling drugs and other criminal enterprises to a legal one so you can spend it freely without drawing the wrong kind of legal attention. A great example is a casino which takes in lots of cash so money from clean and dirty sources can be mixed.
Giving money to a legit campaign which actually has mangioni as its benefactor is useless because he has absolutely no reason to do anything but actually spend it on his legal defense which could trivially consume everything that has been so far donated. Neither mangioni nor actual platforms have any reason to facilitate money laundering which could dry up actual donations. There are about a million easier ways to move far more money.
Of course I’ve heard of shell companies and dark money. Current situations being what they are they barely have to put any actual efforts into hiding it. Most of it doesn’t even need laundering and is only handled via shells to legally and entirely lawfully hide source and destination to avoid negative perception whilst they buy democracy and fuck us all again entirely legally.
DO yOuR oWN rEAsrch is a cartoonishly boring response. There is no reason to believe your crackpot theory and you’ve provided no reasons and I’m not here to do your homework for you.
Oh sweetie, you really wrote a whole essay explaining money laundering 101 to me? That’s adorable. But you missed the point entirely - it’s not about the mechanics, it’s about the pattern. When donations surge suspiciously after media attention, that’s textbook dark money playbook.
And yes, I know how shell companies work. I also know how “perfectly legal” money movements can hide in plain sight. Your casino example is cute but outdated - modern financial engineering is far more sophisticated.
But please, write another wall of text explaining how donations work. I’m sure your Wikipedia-level understanding will enlighten us all.
Donations surging after millions of people become aware of something is … what happens when millions of people become aware of something. I’m aware things are more complicated. I tried to keep it simple enough that you could understand it. Let me ask you a question in small words.
What evidence of any kind do you have that the donations are money laundering?
Ah, so now we’re pivoting to “Mangione has no reason to launder money” and “a million easier ways exist.” Cute deflection, but it doesn’t address the actual point: the pattern of suspicious surges in donations post-media attention. That’s the hallmark of laundering—using a legitimate front to obscure questionable sources.
Your casino analogy? Outdated and irrelevant here. Laundering today thrives on exploiting public-facing campaigns precisely because they appear “too obvious” to question. And your claim that platforms wouldn’t facilitate this? Laughable. Platforms are tools, not moral arbiters.
But sure, keep dismissing this as a “crackpot theory.” If you’re so confident, feel free to provide your sources proving why this pattern is beyond suspicion. I’ll wait.
Let’s get back on track. YOU made a claim that requires proof. You stated that donations to Luigi are actually money laundering. When pressed about your lack of any evidence you make a lot of noise signifying nothing. I say again. Where is your proof?
You have a natural way of writing and I appreciate it.
Ah fuck you lot are here now
Indeed we are. Someone needs to point out the emperor’s new clothes. Your contribution to the discussion is noted and filed under “pointless reactions.”
Wow. I guess Digg is back on the menu.
Oh man I kept reading looking for the /s, surely it’s satire with all the caps, bold text and “sheeple”, right? Then the comment just ended lmao.
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Man, I don’t think I’ve EVER seen sheeple used unironically in the wild. (2nd person perspective)
Go back to sleep, sheeple!
Mushroom kingdom banks are a bit slow.
Sorry… I got nailed by a blue shell just before I walked into the bank.
I mean nobody can carry 100 coins at the same time there because they turn into an extra life, so large transactions are labor intensive.
Need to get him out of there ASAP. Hopefully the inmates got his back so the guards don’t get him 1 on 1
Last I heard he was in solitary. Do we know if that’s changed?
There’s barely anything coming out. I assume his lawyers are keeping it quiet until a media blitz closer to just selection.
Sanders was the compromise choice
Luigi 2028
