If you've ever wondered why YouTube goes so hard on ads when they make the experience so miserable, well, there's your answer.
      • Sho@lemmy.worldEnglish
        141·
        4 months ago

        Freetube, and what I use, Newpipe. There are better experiences out there. All one needs to do is search for them. Happy hunting.

          • Cataphract@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2·
            4 months ago

            Eh, I would argue you’re only using the servers to access the content creators data. Youtube is the interface, algorithm, advertisement, comments, etc. If it’s just the creators data being accessed with no additional contribution from youtube then I would just treat it as any ol’ host server.

      • Dil@is.hardlywork.ingEnglish
        3·
        4 months ago

        I use an alternative frontend for actually watching stuff, just google and find one with a public instance, no ads, can do pip on your phone for free

      • ClinicalTourism@lemmy.world
        English
        11·
        4 months ago

        For watching YT videos: NewPipe or Tubular for phone app. FreeTube on Pc. Invidious in browser.

        Just a few examples, there is loads more alternatives.

        Including different platforms all together. Too much to choose from.

      • Teknikal@eviltoast.orgEnglish
        91·
        4 months ago

        You have a point it’s a monopoly but most YouTube videos I watch now the creators are always suggesting viewing on patreon because of all the YouTube copyright stuff.

        I’ve noticed quite a few have vanished from YouTube so maybe there’s some signs YouTube is starting to get to annoying for creators.

        • Z4XC@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          4 months ago

          I’ve never used Patreon, but are the videos not hosted there from YouTube?

          • Teknikal@eviltoast.orgEnglish
            2·
            4 months ago

            I think they can pretty much post whatever they want but I’ve never used it myself as it’s all pay walled. But yeah I think reactors are all jumping over to it as it gets harder to post anything on YouTube without someone else trying to claim the ad money.

      • Senal@programming.devEnglish
        115·
        4 months ago

        Literally any other form of entertainment.

        Though the statement was to stop using it, not replace it.

          • Senal@programming.devEnglish
            5·
            4 months ago

            It’s somewhat of a catch, that’s generally how monopolistic moats work but you really shouldn’t be relying on google as a backup service for obscure videos you wish to keep.

            I’ve no idea of the amount of lectures, guides, documentaries and other non-entertainment media that is available exclusively on youtube, but again it isn’t an archiving service.

            They can, will and have deleted whole channels for various reasons, most of which were bullshit, if you find something you absolutely have to keep, download it.

            That being said, the process of downloading, archiving and curating content on anything more than a trivial scale can be much more involved than it seems, especially if you want backups/redundancy.

            I’ve never been a big youtube user so my opinion on this is coloured by the fact that i don’t have that much invested in the platform.

  • cley_faye@lemmy.worldEnglish
    581·
    4 months ago

    And since they made so much while people are effectively using adblocker, there’s no need to fight them back, right?

    Right?

    • ours@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      4 months ago

      It’s not about making money, it’s about making all the money. Stock holders will pressure to fire the guy that does that.

      • TomAwsm@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        4 months ago

        It’s not about making money, it’s about making all the money.

        It’s probably also about sending a message.

  • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8611·
    4 months ago

    I say this every time the topic comes up, and I’m always downvoted for it but here goes again:

    YouTube is going to do this suit because YouTube CAN do this shit. It’s their company. They can enshitify it as much as they’d like. And they WILL enshitify it as much as they like as long as people continue to use it.

    How long have they been in existence now? 18-19 years? And with every year they gets worse and worse, while growing bigger and bigger. Why do you think that is?

    Could it be because they know that although everyone will bitch about them, complain about them, and write scathing tech articles about them- people will still gobble their shit up regardless.

    Don’t like what YouTube is doing? Maybe think about not using it. Because as long as you’re participating- either by creating content or viewing it- you are a big part of the reason they’re getting away with doing this shit.

    Downvote away.

      • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        4 months ago

        Me too. I never try to come off as pushy on the topic. Just suggesting an option, but man… people haven’t responded well to it in the past.

    • nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.caEnglish
      51·
      4 months ago

      They get away with it because they don’t have serious competition and the reason for that is that allowing anyone to upload videos for free, to be viewed by anyone else for free, is by itself not a viable business model.

      • ribboo@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        4 months ago

        It’s the size really. As with most social media platforms, often they are fairly easy to create (YouTube definitely isn’t, but many could). Problem is that it’s impossible to compete with, because people expect the activity you get from hundreds of millions of users.

        Same goes for Twitter, Reddit and whatnot. Since capitalism took over the internet completely, basically none of the large plattforms have been outcompeted really.

        To big to fail isn’t the banks nowadays, well then to, but it’s IT as well.

    • superminerJG@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25·
      4 months ago

      Let’s just say, unless YouTube crosses people’s bottom lines and there’s an alternative being actively advertised, people won’t move.

      Otherwise, they push that bottom line further.

      • kalleboo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        4 months ago

        The lack of alternatives where creators actually get paid for people watching their videos is the biggest problem.

        • FrostyPolicy@suppo.fiEnglish
          8·
          4 months ago

          Even youtube doesn’t pay the creators that much. Lois Rossman in a recent video showed some of his video in YT that had over 200k views and generated ~100 USD of income.

          • kalleboo@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            4 months ago

            And that’s probably what will kill them as payouts get worse and worse making other platforms more attractive as you’re not losing as much. A lot of YouTubers I follow seem to becoming more and more reliant on Patreon as ad revenue goes down.

          • FrostyPolicy@suppo.fiEnglish
            61·
            4 months ago

            On a related note. Why would creators add sponsored segments/other sponsoring/patreon etc if YT pays them enough?

            spoiler

            YT doesn’t pay them enough. Unless your some kind of super star.

      • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        Agreed. Seems there no floor to what people will put up with from them. I can’t understand it. I’ve tried products and services I found that I absolutely hated. I don’t have those products or services anymore.

        It’s pretty easy to not do something.

    • Vinstaal0@lemmy.worldEnglish
      62·
      4 months ago

      Youtube started when hosting video’s was way easier. The files where smaller, the bandwidth of most people wasn’t that great either. Storage was more expensive though.

      These days everybody wants 4K footage and everybody was 100-1000+ mbps internet and we have 4K screens so we can also watch it.

      The competitors who host it are either paid up front or porn sites. Because there is no real way to start up a competitor to YouTube. I decided to accept that and I have RSSfeeds of all the creators I like to watch so I bypass the algorithm

    • Auli@lemmy.caEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      People well not pay for anything. I mean you can get YouTube premium without ads. But the vast majority don’t want it. And since no one well pay for anything how does a computer to YouTube make money?

      • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        Shit tons of people are paying for it. And the ones that aren’t, are viewing ads- both of these things are a profit for YouTube.

        The only option you have is to not use the services at all. This is how you hurt them.

              • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                4 months ago

                At the end of the day, we’d all be better off if everyone just never used it again, because as long as people put up with what they do- the more they’ll do it.

              • Kat@techhub.social
                2·
                4 months ago

                @aeternum @technology Adguard blocks all advertisements on there. I’ve installed that, and I’ve never received a single one. As much as I wish I could simply mix YouTube for my life, I can’t, because too many of the folks who produce content up there use it as their only means of sharing that content with the world, so I’ve sort of struck a balancing act between watching the things I want to watch, Will still remaining conscientious of what the companies behind it are doing.

    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      21·
      4 months ago

      does it count as viewing if every time I just download the videos with yt-dlp, and watch in a good media player?

  • firadin@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    4 months ago

    Still need a good strategy for blocking ads on my TV. Mostly watching YouTube through a Chromecast so I can control it from my phone