Summary
Donald Trump stated that Palestinians displaced by Israel’s military actions would not have a right to return to Gaza under his plan.
Instead, he proposed resettling them in Egypt and Jordan, despite both nations rejecting the idea.
Trump suggested creating permanent refugee communities funded by the U.S., calling Gaza a “real estate development for the future.”
His proposal has drawn condemnation from Arab nations and legal experts, with the UN warning it could constitute ethnic cleansing and violate international law.
Israel’s far-right settlers welcomed the plan.
Hey, at least it isn’t Kamala doing this. There wouldn’t even be any Palestinians left to not return to Gaza!
Dudes gonna single handedly start WW3
his handler in moscow deserves some credit
Trump is the handler in this case. Handling Putin’s balls.
It’s called an oligargle
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Bravo. 🥲
Aaaaand, why is the president of the US making plans for the people in a county he has no authority over again?
No better than Putin, you could say. Both are real dickbags and need to be put down like animals.
Hey but at least all those enlightened dipshits didn’t vote for Kamala! Who could have guessed that Trump’s Palestine policy would be even worse?? Oh yeah, everyone else. Thanks a lot dipshits
Biden suggests to move Palestinian to Egypt and Jordan as early as October 2023. So did previous US administration it goes back to 80s.
Saying the quite part out load is what is different now and the Democrats pretend they are upset while Both Kamala and Biden saying their proud Zionist.
What is now different is that Trump want the place for himself not for Israel nor the US.
Found one of the dipshits!
Thank you for saving Gaza
Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term instead of being forced to flee repeatedly within the country.
Trying to equate the two is quite disingenuous.
If you actually believe they would have been allowed back after, I have a Riviera to sell you.
Biden (and Trump’s) proposed plan all line up pretty nicely with these leaked documents from the Israeli government. https://www.972mag.com/intelligence-ministry-gaza-population-transfer/
The document unequivocally and explicitly recommends transferring Palestinian civilians from Gaza as the desired outcome of the war
The transfer plan is divided into several stages. In the first stage, action must be taken so that the population of Gaza “evacuates south,” while the air strikes focus on the northern Gaza Strip
The document also says that the United States should be enlisted in the process to exert pressure on Egypt to absorb the Palestinian residents of Gaza, and that other European countries — particularly Greece and Spain — as well as Canada should help absorb and settle the Palestinian refugees.
The Intelligence Ministry document states that Egypt will have an “obligation under international law to allow the passage of the population,” and that the United States can contribute to the process by “exerting pressure on Egypt, Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE to contribute to the initiative, either with resources or with the absorption of displaced persons.”
Buddy, they’ve never been allowed back before. Why would the Isrealis allow them back now?
The disingenuous is your statement saying they will be allowed back, how about move them back to their home that they cannot return to since 1948 aka “right of return” ? or moving them to housing options in west bank ? why Egypt? why Jordan?
why would Egypt send their military and build a wall across the border when Biden admin suggested that? Israel was planing that before October, On June 2023 their prime minister goes to UN and draw a pipeline on a map across Gaza. Making it clear they want to annex it. Do you think the US weren’t aware of it? Do you think Egypt who warn Israel about October didn’t pass the info to the US?
Do you really think people don’t read history or know what is going on to believe outlandish statement that Biden will move them to Egypt, drop the equivalent of two nuclear bomb on the region, then build it up, then bring people back?
Bidens suggestion was explicitly about allowing Palestinians to flee into Egypt short term
Just how gullible are you? When has any expulsion or relocation of Palestinians out of a territory ever been temporary? Biden isn’t a complete moron. He would know as well as anyone that there is no such thing as a temporary relocation of Palestinians.
People don’t follow news and ignore it then come back making statement that proven wrong and shove it in everyone face.
Reality every person who read history or watch news knows for fact that when it comes to Israel US position has been consistent.
Blaming Palestinians who said “fuck this party that want our vote and continue to kill our families” even though it has proven they reason Kamala lost is Economy.
Continuing this fake narrative outright racist at best.
Reminds me how they kept downvoting people who dispute the numbers of people killed in October 7 which, also proven to be around 800 at best and proven the Israel ordered their soldier to use the Hannibal directive of bombing vehicles regardless who is inside.
Yup. This is way too consistent not to be getting pushed from somewhere. Literally every bit of Gaza news is just a bloody rag to be used to blame the left to these guys. It’s getting disgusting. And they’re alienating people instead of bringing them together
How is it worse? This was literally Bidens public plan. His administration was just quieter about it, though not silent, which is how we know if was their plan.
“plan”
Friendly reminder: The crescendo of the first six months of project 2025 is using civil unrest to deploy the US Military as a domestic police force. The accompanying suspension of habeus corpus is absolutely needed for them to turn up the heat even more.
They’re laying the groundwork for defanging the judicial branch as we speak - it’s their last obstacle.
From https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/articles/article-i/clauses/763 (emphasis mine):
"The Suspension Clause protects liberty by protecting the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus. It provides that the federal government may not suspend this privilege except in extraordinary circumstances: when a rebellion or invasion occurs and the public safety requires it. "
Wonder where all the people that fall for the Russian propaganda on Kamala are?
Probably found another single issue to base their entire political identity around. I know a lot switched over to the Gulf of America outrage.
To the people blaming protest voters: Other voters are not your enemy. The two-party oligopoly is the enemy. The goal of zio nists and is rael was always to remove all the palestinians from the region - it is built into the purpose of the state. There is no evidence kamala would have done anything to stop this. She wouldnt have said lets take it over ourselves and make it into fucking casinos, but regardless, the overall plan of removing all the palestinians would have continued and the US would have continued to fund it.
They’re not my enemy, but they are idiots who deserve to be shamed for their terrible decision
Sure, continue shaming them instead of looking at the whole picture and realise you’d still need their help to fight against the fascism rising in America. Or you can just go down to their level and follow what makes you feel good instead of the better option for your own sake.
Anyone who enabled trump is the enemy of democracy. Period.
Not stepping down until the primary was over enabled Trump so count Biden on that list too for failing to heed internal poling in time. He sold out his country out of arrogance just like RBG did.
I understand the anger - I’m currently dealing with grad school funding issues directly related to the new admin so it’s hitting very close to home. However, instead of left-of-center infighting over who got the fascist in office (when neither/none of us even voted for him) we could join forces and troll conservatives online by simply posting facts in their comments section. <3
The DNC may have fucked up, but every single one of those protest voters made a conscious decision to increase the odds of Trump becoming president.
So did the DNC though, supporting Israel was more important to them than winning “the most important election of our time”.
And yet Trump is still worse on that “single issue” that was important enough to let him win over.
Yeah, I’d like the Democrats to be farther left on a lot of things too, but I understand the system we live in and I remember his first term.
No doubts about that. Just don’t let the DNC off the hook completely by blaming only the voters.
But you do see how that’s still better, right? Kamala would at least have been open to public pressure, meaning it could have been possible to pull the emergency brake a little harder. Trump isn’t gonna change his mind for fuck all, and isn’t just releasing the brake, but slamming his foot on the gas.
Yes, Kamala would have been better. But she lost, and thats on her. This geno cide has been going on for 75 years and she gave no indication that she would do anything to stop it.
No, that’s not entirely on her. It sucks that she didn’t step out of line from Biden’s stance on Israel. But it also sucks that a lot of Democratic voters decided their personal feelings of moral sanctimony justified electing someone with a drastically worse stance on the issue.
I don’t think there’s been an election in living memory where people liked 100% of the candidate’s policy. Your duty as a voter is to make the most suitable choice from among the viable candidates. People who claimed they couldn’t vote for Kamala because she wouldn’t oppose Israel’s genocide, and who abstained from voting, directly contributed to worsening the situation with their choices, and they aided in deeply sabotaging (if not destroying) the country in the process.
“You can’t support Harris without supporting genocide” was right-wing propagandist bullshit the entire time, and it’s deeply saddening that so many people couldn’t see the forest for the trees. Most of them are probably still feeling smug about it while ignoring the blood on their hands.
There are differences between candidates within each party. And historically both parties have gone through drastic changes. You can vote for like minded candidates at the local level, the state level, and as they gain experience they’ll be better suited to succeed nationally and change the party as a result. But this requires you to actually vote. In every election. Always. And I get the sense that those who complain it’s a two party system the loudest are just offering an excuse as to why they simply don’t vote, don’t participate in our democracy. The people who run for national office in say, the Green Party, rarely have any government experience or real leadership experience. It’s just boilerplate slogans and a clear demonstration they don’t really know what’s going on. Why the fuck would I vote for that? Shit, I can say all the right things and run for President. But I would suck as president because the job is much more bureaucratic management than just saying shit out loud.
This is simply a false dichotomy. There’s plenty of blame to go around and a large share rests with all the people that had the power to stop this but chose not to.
Hey CNN, wanna interview those protest voters again?
Do you respect Palestinians or not?
This is such a thought terminating question being posed in bad faith.
You can respect and support the Palestinian people, and still realize that Harris was the best option for the Palestinians we had on the table. To not vote was giving a vote to trump, and trump is significantly worse than Harris for the Palestinians, this is objective truth, we have the facts in front of us right now.
Not voting was essentially voting against the Palestinian people.
Is it fair that we had the choices we had in November? No.
But the protest vote just turned into voting for this century’s Mussolini and a guy who’s doing his damnedest to start WW3.
Which seems…antithetical to the purpose of the protest vote? So who really won here?
But the Palestinian people didn’t vote for Kamala. That is like saying, us sophisticated Kamala genocide fans are smarter than you Palestinians & know what is best for you. So I ask again why do you not respect the Palestinians & what they wanted?
And your question is still fundamentally flawed.
We don’t get to vote for a candidate for the US of A that has the Palestinian people at the front of their agenda.
The Palestinian people who are not US citizens do not get a vote at all. Those that are US citizens chose to throw away their vote so they’re in the same camp as those who are not US citizens for the sake of the conversation/argument.
So, of the candidates that were presented, you have to choose the lesser of the two Evils (LEV) to have the greatest chance of accomplishing your goals, even if none of the options specifically further your goals. It’s about limiting the fallout/damage to your goals as much as possible.
This is something the Palestinian people who were US citizens chose not to do.
It is now why they are facing a much more serious threat from the US than they were during Biden’s administration. This is not to absolve the Biden/Harris administration, but to show that the reason things are worse now, is because, in large part, the Palestinian people who were US citizens chose the worse of the two options by not exercising their right to vote.
At no point in the process was there an option that would have accomplished what the Palestinian people would have wanted. To let the greater evil win because of that is going to be a very, very painful lesson for everyone involved, and I feel for the Palestinian people that are now going to be guaranteed to lose their home, their rights, and their freedoms because the new US Administration has even less respect and care for their rights than Biden’s.
So, back to your question.
The flaw is in assuming there was another option other than the LEV scenario playing out, and that the Palestinian people who were not US citizens had a vote here. They did not. They do not have enough power, militaristicly speaking, to have autonomy over their own region, and are unfortunately at the mercy of Israel and their close allies (e.g. the USA right now), to control their fate/future.
They had some influence, in the form of Palestinian Americans and allies who could have voted and chosen a less evil/less terrible path ahead, and they flubbed things in the name of making a point. A point that has had little to no impact, and in fact has galvanized a lot of Americans and the world against them because their poor decision during the US election is going to affect everyone in the world. There is nowhere they can run to, or will be safe from the reach of trump’s US imperialism.
Your question is therefore flawed. It assumes the Palestinian people had any option other than Kamala to give them the best possible scenario forward. To claim otherwise is to be ignorant of the world, and the facts of the situation. Just because we all agree that having “no choice” sucks and isn’t fair, doesn’t mean refusing to vote and letting the worst option (by far) on the table win is anything more than disappointingly idiotic.
And that’s where we’re at now.
The Palestinian people who are not US citizens do not get a vote at all.
Here you assume that there are no Palestinian Americans, very racist.
Those that are US citizens chose to throw away their vote so they’re in the same camp as those who are not US citizens.
Here you claim that Palestinians that didn’t vote for Kamala are US citizens, but you don’t consider them to be US citizens… more racism.
Palestinian people who were US citizens chose the worse of the two options
Here you claim that Palestinians don’t know what is best for them, which is more racism.
the Palestinian people who were not US citizens had a vote here
More racism by you attempting to claim that there aren’t Palestinian Americans.
They do not have enough power, militaristicly speaking, to have autonomy over their own region, and are unfortunately at the mercy of Israel and their close allies (e.g. the USA right now), to control their fate/future.
Weird how you could have voted for someone else that didn’t support genocide & unconditional support of Israel, which would have given them more autonomy but you chose not to.
Palestinian Americans and allies who could have voted and chosen a less evil/less terrible path ahead, and they flubbed things in the name of making a point
Weird how you claim to always know what is best for them. Just like the white man always knows what is best for African Americans. Very racist of you.
The Palestinian people who are not US citizens do not get a vote at all.
Here you assume that there are no Palestinian Americans, very racist.
This is an illogical misinterpretation. Consider a Venn diagram of Palestinians and US Citizens. The intersection is obviously not the empty set. That initial sentence you quoted is describing the set of Palestinians minus said intersection. You even betray your misinterpretation by quoting “Palestinian people who were US citizens” between accusations of racism.
Much of the rest of your comment similarly falls apart from this illogical misinterpretation.
You are trying to explain why you think it is okay for you to be racist.
I voted for Harris, but I also recognize the great value of people refusing to vote for a Democratic candidate when they move too far to the right. If there is no consequence for drifting right, the candidates will continue to do so.
The whole “preserve democracy” thing sounds good if you don’t think about it too hard, but it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. The Biden/Harris team proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that they weren’t capable of defending democracy. Nominating Garland proved that. The dems pathetic response to Trump’s current lawlessness has proven that.
You can’t “defend democracy” just by saying the words “defend democracy.” You actually have to do it. And they proved that they were either unwilling or incapable of actually defending democracy. That’s why that talking point so fell flat.
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Biden’s Gaza policy was tragic, but still, fuck anyone that voted to throw gas onto that fire.
Guy behind the Muslim ban, with the Christian nationalist base, was always going to make things worse.
What gas? Biden tried to do ethnic cleansing as well. Biden tried pushing Egypt to accept Israels ethnic cleansing plan behind closed doors and push the Palestinians out of Rafah. Egypt refused.
Biden helped Israel cleanse the West Bank. Do you believe they have right to return over there?
Trumps difference is he is saying the quiet part out loud. And all it does is piss off Egypt and Saudi.
You can’t reason with the pro-genocide Kamala voters
Oh fuck I didn’t realize there was a magical third candidate with a prospect of winning
Yeah, it’s those thoughts and prayers people keep sending in light of disaster. It’s great, you get to claim the moral high ground while burying your head in the sand about the realities of the situation.
I hope you look forward to voting for Ted Cruz, the Democratic candidate for president in 2028. After all, he’ll in theory be a little better than Trump running for his third term, so logically it’s our duty to support Mr. Cruz for president. The only criteria any Democrat is allowed to use is whether the Democratic candidate is a tiny bit better than the Republican.
If you refuse to vote for President Cruz, you will be fully morally responsible for any of Trump’s actions in his third term. After all, there’s no magical third candidate with a prospect of winning.
This is the moral hazard of the “vote blue no matter who” crowd. If the Democratic base is already locked in no matter what, then there’s no need for the party to work to actually reflect Democratic values. The people running the party only care about winning for the sake of winning. They don’t actually believe in anything; they’re just shameless power chasers. And if the Dem base will vote for literally anyone the Dems nominate, then Dems might as well just nominate Ted Cruz, Liz Cheney, or some other Republican. What better way to appeal to suburban Republican voters than by nominating an actual Republican?
The truth is that in order for the Democratic Party to actually mean anything, there have to be some people on the left side of the spectrum willing to walk away if the party moves too far to the right. If there’s no consequence to drifting to the right, the party will just become a duplicate of the Republican Party. Eventually we’ll just end up with an election between the KKK candidate and the skinhead candidate. That would literally be the outcome if every Democratic voter blindly “voted blue no matter who.”
Obviously, there’s the argument of voting to defend democracy. But the sad truth is that centrist dems have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are actually incapable of defending democracy. You can’t run on something that you’ve proven yourself utterly incapable of doing. The party that appointed Merrick Garland could not credibly argue that they were going to vigorously defend democracy. Even now, their pathetic response to Trump’s lawlessness shows that they are incapable of fighting for democracy.
I mean I agree with some of your points I just would have waited until trump was dead of old age before trying to do a protest vote but hey different strokes for different folks I guess. at least we wont have to talk about gaza anymore since it will be fucking gone haha 👍
You keep saying:
at least we wont have to talk about gaza anymore since it will be fucking gone haha 👍
Like Trumps plan is different from Bidens.
But it isn’t. Biden literally tried to get Egypt to accept a giant tent city refuge camp in the Sinai desert. You know, like Gaza originally was in the first place?
So, laughing at the people you incorrectly blame for Trumps election and pointing at this as a consequence is just stupid. This was literally Bidens plan as well.
I don’t blame y’all for shit dawg this is all on the fucking DNC, and I ain’t laughing at you im laughing as cope.
But to act like it would have been exactly the same under Biden is a fucking joke, you know trump is gunna dial the spite and cruelty to 11.
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I reported your comment and it still up. Apparently lemmy.world mods apparently do not remove insults when they defend genocide.
It is currently removed on my end.
Was up for more than 6 hours.
So predictable. Nothing but “whataboutism” anytime someone points out how bad Trump is and will be. This thread was about Trump, not Biden.
Stop making it about Biden then.
You’re getting downvoted but nothing you said is incorrect.
McCarthyism never ended lol
The Russian Federation is a threat to Europe and the USA.
https://2021-2025.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-propaganda-report/
Did you unironically send us to a US .gov propaganda website to get information about a US enemy state’s disinformation?
Al Jazeera is funded in whole or in part by the Qatari government. Wikipedia
Al Jazeera is heavily influenced by the Qatari government. The same government that has the death sentence for apostasy and homosexuality.
Edit: Also Al Jazeera spun the mass-murder Yahya ‘bring back suicide bombers’ Sinwar as some honorable martyr.
Thank you for saving Gaza
Thank you for destroying it.
So people have no right to their property, their owned real estate? Hmmm, lets try this in another failed state, the US.
The protest $hill Stein voters still gonna claim the righteous high ground while excoriating Biden/Harris/Democrats even though every last detail of this story was floated by Trump and pals during the election.
And the “Free Palestine” mass protests have all but stopped since Election Day, movement leaders (who exactly were they?) having achieved their goal of disenfranchising Democrats (but ZERO protests against the Republican Congress that approved funding for Israel).
The protests have not stopped.
Mass protests have stopped. A handful of people meeting at a coffee shop or vigil is a stark contrast to bridges and roads being blocked, to school administration buildings occupied. The US is 330 million people and you get how many at a protest now?
And that website is all about Israel and nothing about forced relocations of two million people and the US annexing Gaza for development. But those aren’t Democrat proposals, so whatevs…
Aww, y’all hitting the down arrow instead of addressing what I said…. I have been put in maw place!
"I’M PROTEST VOTING. " - Dumb Bastards
Not even gonna try to pretend it isn’t ethnic cleansing…
People can weasel themselves around terms like “fascist” quite easily, because there are multiple definitions, many are very diffuse and there’s a lot of disagreement around it - but ethnic cleansing to my understanding is quite simple and this is it. Can any serious political commentator pretend it’s not? For example the forced removal of Poles from west Poland (annexed by USSR) after WW2 for example was not a slaughter, but is considered an act of ethnic cleansing.
I think this is something else – I mean, he’s gonna need slaves to implement all this.
