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    being smart at something doesn’t mean youre smart at everything. not that im saying that jobs was smart, but its not a given. e.g how there are scientists who are anti-vax

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    Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he’s so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world

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        I find it really amusing to know Bill Gates ones made fun of him:

        “Steve’s achievements are all the more impressive when you know that he couldn’t look at a piece of code and know what it was.”

        However he also said:

        “Clearly, he had so many skills that I didn’t, but we were both a little bit pied pipers in terms of getting people to work ridiculous hours.”

        Which really should tell you everything you need to know given who made the money and how many people were made to work “ridiculous hours”.

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        Maybe, but then you also have people like my brother who basically worship Jobs, and say shit like “Wozniak is expendable.”

        I told him people like Wozniak are the real geniuses who actually make shit work, and he told me straight faced that without people like Jobs people like Wozniak will probably just have a desk job.

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          People that worship psuedo intellectuals like Jobs are just coping with that fact that they’re less intelligent. Sales dudes love having sales rule over engineering. I’d go as far to say it’s difficult to be a decent human being and in sales at the same time.

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          You need a desk to place the components on to build the computer and then to place the computer on, to do the programming.

          I’d say, even with Jobs, Wozniak had a desk job.


          Of course, unless you use a projector or floor-stands for the monitors and keep the keyboard+mouse on your lap, in which case, you can get away from the desk.

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      The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was

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      “one of”, not “the”? Now I’m wondering what could someone like him regret more than the choice that literally killed him?

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        “Sometimes, late at night, when I can’t sleep, and it’s just me, alone with my thoughts… I just… I can’t help but feel… I should’ve called it Pear.

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        His #1 regret was not being a bigger douchebag which according to many experts was already an impossible feat.

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          The only way you could have been a bigger asshole is if he were still alive today to be kissing Trump’s arse, because he 100% would have been doing so.

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    Steve jobs ain’t a genius. He was just a good salesman.

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      The sales people almost always end up doing well in companies. And then when they get high up in the company they only value others ability to make sales and work for bonuses. As time goes on a company’s e-suite gets more and more saturated with charismatic dummies who will do anything for a buck, leaving less room for good administrators and engineers.

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        Small thing, but I’ve never heard it called an e-suite, only c-suite. I assume the “e” stands for executive vs the “c” being chief.

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    Only fanboys. The same kind that worship Musk or any other fellated-by-the-press CEO as some kind of hero. They softball any criticisms and turn them into positives - “He murdered a bunch of kids, but the creativity he got from the blood splatter and time spent in court-ordered community service got us this addictive device we’re all fawning over…let’s justify the ridiculous price and wait in line for one!” Something about objectively shitty people heading up organizations seems to attract sycophants and bootlickers.

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      Only fanboys.

      Oh I wish. It’s more like 2/3 of American society, and I’m sure plenty of others around the world. But if you wanted to cast a wide net and call them fanboys of the rich, I guess that’s fair.

      If you are worth billions, and even moreso if you are a business leader and therefore “earned” those billions, then “worship” is the right word. They are not just good people, but the greatest among us who should be put in charge of everything. (Enter our new emperor)

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    It’s possible to be an asshole, selfish, insufferable, cruel, devient or do extraordinarily dumb shit while also being exceptionally intelligent and/or talented .

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      But Jobs was only the first half. Woz was the intelligent one, he just wasn’t a greedy narcissist who stole from his friends (that was also Jobs if that’s not clear).

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    I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.

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      Forgot about that. I too am deeply irresponsible with my liver, but I would never ask for a second one. That’s an entire human organ!

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      I remember reading a story a while back about the documentary they were making on him. He had his special diet of juices and supplements and whatnot, which he claimed helped him while his liver was failing. The actor who portrayed him started following the same diet to better get in character. Only then he collapsed on set with liver problems. They did a full medical work up and basically told him whatever you’re doing stop doing it because it’s killing you. He went back to his normal diet and he was fine. Raising the serious question, did Steve Jobs outsmart himself to death? If he had given up all the diets and supplements and whatnot might he have lived?

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        If he had pursued modern medical treatments rather than a sugar filled diet he might have lived. He would have to have stepped down though and he did not want to do that.

        He would also have to admit he was completely wrong about his diet and that he absolutely did not want to do as it was tied to some dumbass “philosophy” he followed.

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        If “outsmart” is ignore people who know things because you believe you know everything…yes

        A better description would be that he treated his body the way he treated his employees. Or he let himself believe his own reality distortion field. “Outsmart” is not the word I’d choose for a narcissistic asshole who thinks he knows better but in fact does not.

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          Iirc, what we normally call “sugar” is sucrose, made up of glucose and fructose. Glucose is used all over the place and too much is definitely bad (ask diabetics), while fructose is processed in your liver. Like a poison.

          Just trying to remember that from stuff I’ve seen from Robert Lustig MD. There’s a very old “sugar: the bitter truth” lecture of his on YouTube, plus lots of media since then.

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            Glucose is only bad in the same way oxygen is bad. I think you need to rewatch your lecture.

            Diabetics don’t have a problem with too much glucose they have an issue with too little insulin or insulin resistance

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                Kind of? Getting fat and eating too much regularly are great ways to get diabetes, and sugar is a great way to get fat.

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                  Sugar is also acidic. Not enough to kill you, but that’s why ketoacidosis kills people. It also increases blood viscosity, making it pump harder and causing hypertension. Plus, it causes chronic inflammation, which calcifies triglycerides in your blood to form clots.

                  Sugar has tons of negative effects.

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    Being rich makes you so divorced from consequences that you start to believe that what is in your brain is what is real. Money isn’t what we think it is.

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    I’d be far more interested in learning more about the other folks on the Macintosh team. They’re an amazing group of people who put a lot of care into something they believed in, Steve Jobs notwithstanding. What they did with what they had was amazing, and the fact that they got lost in Jobs’ spotlight is tragic.

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      I highly doubt the consequences of Dennis Richie not existing. Yes, his work was foundational, but he didn’t do it on his own, and if he wasn’t around, someone else would’ve filled in.

      The same is true for Steve Jobs. In fact, most of his contribution was being a jerk to people so his ideas won. He had a clear vision, but his internal implementation was… iffy.

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      My crusading teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol

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        Fact of the matter is way more people know who Steve Jobs is compared to Dennis Ritchie, so it’s no wonder his death garnered way more attention too. But the sentiment still stands IMO