• Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
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      The stuff he tells to the world is very different from what he tells his own followers. Let’s not forget that he comes from a very long tradition of repressive theocracy.

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        Worse then raping children and a “god given” mandate to colonize and exploit the world? Just saying that most religions are like this

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            Worse than systematic rape within the Catholic church? No offence but I remember this situation and is this all you have? I follow the law of atleast three instances before thinking about patterns (unless the previous 2 are atrocious) this wasn’t atrocious, this is silly and weird but also this is fucking Tibet not london. White ignorant ass making wild assumptions over seemingly minor stuff

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              You sure this is the hill you want to die on? Defending a religious leader who has already admitted to pedophilic behavior?

              Why do you think I’m defending other religions?

              And no, it’s not minor, and it’s kind of telling that you’re wiling to ignore it so easily. Would it be minor if it was your child? It’s absolutely atrocious, and unacceptable no matter where you reside on the planet.

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                You sure this is the hill you want to die on? Defending a religious leader who has already admitted to pedophilic behavior?

                Buddy it seems like between the two of us. You’re the one out of sources. You’re really digging into this one thing. Is that all you have and yet have the gall to talk about a hill to die on?

                I’m not defending the dali liama, but i am saying you lack any Nuance or any knowledge on the topic and this conversation is proof of that.

                Would it be minor if it was your child? It’s absolutely atrocious, and unacceptable no matter where you reside on the planet.

                Not everybody on earth acts like a European/American. Believe it or not, not every culture Is as sex obsessed. You can be hugged and kissed by people you share absolutely no blood to in many Asian cultures (coming from an Asian) and the nuances are long and varied, longer than I can be bothered to write but it you had any willingness to learn, you would and could, but that’s asking too much.

                So I ask again, you say pedophilic behaviour, a pedo is someone who is sexually attracted to kids. I’ll ask again, did the Dali liama fuck a child or say publically he wants to fuck children? Even on Lemmy it seems critical debate is a dying breed

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                  The dude sucked a child’s tongue. It’s fucking disgusting that you’re defending that. There is no nuance there, sorry.

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        Not to mention that he’s setting up a child to be indoctrinated their whole life.

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        Show me one example, please. In my experience the message for his followers is absolutely the same. He speakes about Buddha, about kindness and wisdom and how to apply the Buddhas words in the modern world.

        I have seen quite a few events now that he has held for Tibtain monks and nuns and that were provided with English subtitles. I see no different message there, than he has for his western audiences. Of course, there is a difference in how he speaks about things, but not what he is saying.

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      The religions where you chill on a stone all your life and meditate are basically the only ok religions.

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        Nothing wrong with meditating on a stone all your life, but where does a monk’s meal come from? Who grows the food? Who weaves the cloth? If it were all just charity, that would be one thing…

        Before China, Tibet was a feudal society, with the monastery at the top of the hierarchy. They wielded power; religious, political, and physical. The punishment for disobeying a monk was to have your hands cut off. And this wasn’t just some ancient state of affairs, it was happening in the 20th century.

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        If that was the version of Buddhism he’s advocating for Tibet would still be an autonomous region instead of under direct control.

        They had child sex slaves and a caste system that would make some parts of India blush.

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          I didn’t realise that human rights violations were justification for invasion and conquest.

          Imperialism is wrong no matter who is doing to conquering or being conquered.

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            I didn’t realise that human rights violations were justification for invasion and conquest

            Dumbest take ever. The British and the Americans were right to send troops to France under Nazi rule because it was a mission to liberate French people. The USSR was right to send troops to Czechoslovakia to liberate people from Nazi rule. China was right to send troops to Tibet to free the people from their brutal feudalistic rule.

            I fucking wish that my homeland (Spain) had been “invaded” by English and French troops to fight fascism in the 30s rather than ending up with a homegrown fascist dictatorship.

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              Ahh yes, a literal state of war is equivalent to an unprovoked invasion.

              Wasn’t expecting your dumbest take ever line to be about what you’d written. But thanks for the heads up.

              I’m sorry for the harm, the scars, and legacy of fascism that Franco left. The USSR and Germany helping him are more to blame than the UK and France not invading, but I sympathise with wishing something had been done (can’t see them supporting the Communists or Anarchists though, so probably not involvement is due to seeing the Nationalists as the best of the options) . From the way that Franco’s legacy and supporters are, at best merely controversial does make me think that it’d’ve been a very bloody and destructive continuation of the Civil War.

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    Hm, I think he failed his magic spell and we got DALL-E and Llama instead.

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      This has already been pretty heavily discussed down below.

      https://vger.app/inbox/lemmynsfw.com/c/[email protected]/comments/22949064/0.10764805.10764949.10767861.10770960.10780683.10781641

      Take aways: don’t be racist and judge and very different cultjre’s interaction through a sexualised, western lens.

      Besides, If there’s more, don’t you think that the PRC would have had everyone shouting it from the roof tops by now?
      If this is the most damming thing they can show, which according to Tibetans isn’t a big deal, then how likely do you think he is to actually be paedohpilic?

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      Yeah they disappeared him and his family when he was just 6 years old, then announced a loyalist the new Panchen Llama. That was 30 years ago.

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      He is most probably dead or the spirit of the Dalai Lama died in him.

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        It’s doubtful that they killed him, he was just a kid when they took him. They have him squirrelled away somewhere, having gone through heavy indoctrination. Just waiting for the Dali Lama to die.

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    Theres only so many places with concentrations of tibetan buddhists. it wont be India, china, or tibet. That leaves Mongolia or Russia.

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      Since India and the PRC are geopolitical rivals, and India is home to a lot of Tibetan Independence activists actually quite likely to be India I’d think.

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      My insane prediction:

      The next Dalai Lama will be born to the one random Tibetan Buddhist family living in a small town in rural Alabama.

      Of course, is I was the Lama, I would throw a curve ball and come back as transgender Nigerian woman, just to mix things up.

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        What would be really cool, was if the kid didn’t belong to a Tibetan buddhist family. It was just some random kid in rural Alabama. Think about it: “We have found the 15th Dalai Lama! It’s a boy called Billybob Jackson”

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          There’s sort of a King of the Hill episode about that. Bobby inadvertently gets put in the mix when a group of Buddhist monks visit Arlen looking for a reincarnated person (I forget who exactly), much to the dismay of both Hank and Khan. Then he ends up seeming like he might actually the person they’re looking for, except the visiting monk ultimately decides that he is not the right choice.

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        If you ascribe to the idea that the Dalaï Llama is/was a cia operative, and a sort of bridge/conduit between the interests of East and West, this sets up quite the “lottery” for where power may shift.

        Because his followers are quite far and wide, not just of “race” (and I use that very loosely), it creates a very powerful base that will follow a sort of leader.

        Interesting timing, especially since his long time friend the Aga Khan just passed away.

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      I think it’s a little racist to remove agency from people who’ve made moves equally validly explained as self-defence and preservation against a hostile invader.

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          Does seem to be the case, they also seem to have no follow up to researched rebuttals of their talking points.

          Edit: although the person I was responding to does seem to be not, if not anti, Marxist-Lenninist. Maybe they’re Dengian or Maoist…

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        The invader was only hostile to the wealthy landowners who quite literally enslaved the people in literally feudal Tibet. Imagine if China had given international recognition to Marie Antoinette during the French Revolution, and people were treating her as a sort of government in exile. This is literally what the US is doing with the fucking Dalai Lama

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          1. China invaded as part of a Tibetan civil war over the way that Amdo (or maybe Kham, can’t recall which right now) was governed by Lhasa and the Dali Lama. It was hostile to the Lhasa government and partisan on the side of the faction that asked for China’s help to win the war, and promised obedient vassalage in return.

          2. The society in pre-PRC conquest of Tibet was similar to Nepal. Yes, it involved indentured labour, but it had already began a process of legislating against many of the worst practices in the decades prior to 1951. Should (or should have) the PRC, or any nation, invade Nepal?

          3. Imagine if the US says that Iran, North Korea, or China’s treatment of its citizens is cassus belli and annexes them after an overwhelming show of force (similar to the post WW2 vassalage of South Korea, when the USSR and USA bilaterally agreed to take split control of finally independent Korea).

          4. The Bourbon survivors, such as the Duke of Orleans, were literally taken in by other nations in Europe and treated as a government in exile. Can you not see how that’s a logical understandable choice. Claiming the Duke of Orleans was an Austrian stooge for accepting aid from Austro-Hungary would be, I think you’d agree, ridiculous.

          Edit bonus point 5:

          1. We can’t even get good studies on Tibetan culture or history since the PRC heavily controls who has access, and requires all results to fit Dialectic Materialism with Chinese Characteristics and show unambiguously, and uncomplicatedly, that de-facto independent Tibet was hell on earth; where serfs (not peasants, nor a more complex less easily mapped onto European term people) were slaves and mutilated and/or sexually abused regularly with by evil primitive government that was peacefully liberated by 100,000 soldiers which made everything better for everyone forever.
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      The Bitcoin reserve might be the closest thing to property rights the US has achieved in a century. Its been 10 years of stealing peoples gold and purchasing power, in order to deliver stellar bailouts to risky bankers and hedge funds.

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        It’s not a bitcoin reserve it’s a corrupt shitcoin reserve so that musk and pals can pilfer US dollars. Do you really just believe everything the proven liar says?

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          Well they’re keeping all their confiscated shitcoins, and they’re finding a budget neutral way to buy additional Bitcoin, according to the white house website.

          As far as pilfering, the money supply grows at nearly 10% a year, gold prices rise 10% a year, housing a bit less; but its still a great store of value. If you believe in housing bubbles that gatekeep necessary goods behind 30 year loans, and you believe in misallocated capital that requires progressively larger bailouts, then the existing system works great.

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          They’re going to force the US to buy it from them at a high cost, when the economy tanks and the coin doesn’t they’ll buy everything back for a fraction of what it would cost otherwise.

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      At the rate things are going, the kid’s gonna need to be born off-planet.

      He’s actually making a political statement, imho, though. He’s attempting to prevent China’s inevitable attempt to replace him with one of their own.

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        China already took custody of the young Panchen Lama, who plays an integral part in identifying the reincarnated Dalai Lama.

        I’d say their attempt to replace him is more than inevitable – it’s already underway.

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        Ironically musk starting a servitude-built Mars colony and then the next religious leader that can just exist in a vacuum without dying or breathing is born there or something, is basically where I’m putting my faith in this timeline I live in; because it appears logic and human compassion were cool ideas when more people were using psychedelic drugs.