• OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world
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    God-Emperor (mostly dead sitting on a cybernetic throne preserving his life, requires like 100 psychics a day to feed on to live) wants to spread his Religious-no-religion religion across the cosmos, and the brutality with which is required is a small price to pay for industry.

    And then they choose to like the guy unironically. But if they’re really into Slaneesh then they just get a special brand of weird.

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      requires like 100 psychics a day

      1,000 per day. Every day. For Ten. Thousand. Years.

      So you know, just a drop in the bucket, no big deal.

      And to be fairrrrrrr… The emperor himself wants no religion at all, and it’s the corrupt and zealous officials that spread the “the emperor is a god” thing, he straight up destroyed a planet because a chapter of marines converted it to Emperorism once. That was before he got stuck on his death throne, obviously.

      Anyone who genuinely admires ANY of the factions in 40k just doesn’t understand it.

      They all suck. There are no good guys. Honestly I’d say the closest thing to good guys there are would be the tyanids, because they’re just doing what tyanids do. You don’t get mad at cows for being cows. Or wolves for being wolves. They are what they are and they do what they do. It isn’t malicious intent.

      It’the A̴l̴l̴ C̶̳̑ọ̷̓͂n̴̼͕͂̄ṡ̴̹̕u̶̘̿m̶̜̿͜ȋ̵̲́͜n̴͈̜̎g̴̰̝̈̇ Ḩ̴̛͖͚̣̯̟̗̮͔͓̝̜͆̓̈́̈́̇̓͒̕Ừ̶̲̓̃̂̉̎͛̀̒̕̚N̵̨̳͈͙̘̭̩̹͈̙͈͙͕̮͋̿̆͐̅̇͆̅̋̈G̵̛̛͇̗̘͓̐̓̆̓̌̓̃̀̂͛́̉͘͘͝Ę̸̙̩͈͕̒̄̋́̍́̔̔̉͝͠R̸̛͇͚̜͍͉̺̋̽̀̎͌̈́͗̀͌̓̊̂͜

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        The tyranids are an expression of entropy more than they are a species, they’re very nearly a force of nature. They’re not really “good” or “bad” in the same way that gravity isn’t good or bad.

        Now the Orkz I think are just fun and good dudes. They don’t really hate anybody in particular, they just LOVE to FIGHT and will keep doing that unless stopped. They will gladly fight amongst themselves if no one else appears to fight with them. They don’t really have grand dreams of conquest beyond swarming over the horizon to fight whatever is on the other side of it. The optimal end state of Ork supremacy isn’t galactic domination, it’s one big WAAGH cloud that rips across the galaxy in a giant loop and takes long enough doing it that the survivors can settle back down and bunker back up before the Boyz come back to town. They don’t even necessarily want to win, they just love to fight, they think it’s the best activity that you can do, and they want to share that with any and everyone.

        From anyone else’s perspective this is a horrifying wall of green skinned, brutal cunning monsters that will sprout up out of literal nowhere and reproduce faster than you can print more bullets for them. But from the Orkz perspective they’re basically just asking you to join their football game. They’re fun guys.

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          But from the Orkz perspective they’re basically just asking you to join their football game. They’re fun guys.

          Different cultures I guess but in my neck of the woods, the hooligans down at the local football club don’t rip my arms off if I refuse.

          Oh sorry, I just realized I’m whispering.

          OI YA GIT, HUMIES AIN’T GOOD KRUMPIN’, MOST OF EMS IS TOO SMALL FER PROPPA FIGHTINZ, CEPT THE BIG BOYZ WITH THE BIG DAKKAS

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        1,000 per day. Every day. For Ten. Thousand. Years. So you know, just a drop in the bucket, no big deal.

        3,650,000,000 psykers are sacrificed since the Emperor went on the Golden Throne. That’s just over half the population of Earth.

        Writers have issue with scope. 1,000 a day seems shocking until you compare it a 1,000 out of a galaxy of trillions or whatever comes next. It is a literal drop in the bucket.

        I think the 1,000 was picked cause it’s high enough of a number for our brains to be like “That’s terrible!”

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          Honestly I keep forgetting the Imperium supposedly controls over 1 million worlds.

          They really do have a problem with scope.

          Space marines are bad ass in a fight but there’s only 1000 per chapter if they’re adhering to the codex, but that’s nowhere near enough for an entire galaxy.

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            Totally agree. Space Marines are demi-god, death machines however there would be no way a 1,000 of them could take an entire planet, as you correctly pointed an entire galaxy.

            My head cannon is that the Guard does all the work and their achievements are forgotten while the Space Marines get all the credit.

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            Well they don’t want to sacrifice all of their psykers. It is cheap, just a small part in the vast war machine.

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            Even at a planet scale, 1k troops are not enough. Sure, each is worth 100 men or whatever, but that makes them always spread too thin. In a planetary invasion, which orks and 'nids often do, if they can’t trick the enemy into chokepoints, they’re fucked big time.

            The Armageddon war had, what, 20 chapters deploying marines there? And that’s with massive support from the local IG regiment, plus space navy

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        Look at this traitor here^^^^

        All praise be to Omnissiah. May his leadership and grace guide you to the one true path. Give yourself to him and become one.

        Yeah they are really fucked up, but man…what great lore! Best thing about 40k baby

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        I think the problem is that despite everyone being evil, they are all also cool, and there is no real satire in it when there is no point being made.

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          they are all also cool

          looks at nurgle

          Uhhhhhh I’m not so sure about that one.

          But hey, if you want papa nurgle’s blessing, go for it.

          While the runners these days may not have any kind of satire in mind, it’s pretty obvious a large portion of the Imperium is based on a mixture of 1940s German and (80s-now) modern American ideals, as well as capitalism in general. The Eldar are arrogant isolationists and the dark Eldar are gluttonous.

          Most of 40k can have parallels drawn to modern society and the dials are all set to overload.

          While they may not have a direct point, I do think it still can have a message.

          “don’t be like this”

          Too bad we are failing…