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          Think they must’ve confused amon amarth with the boobie streamer amouranth or whatever. Remember reading about how someone broke into her house… But apparently the stories don’t match up and people were saying she did it for attention.

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            Yes, confused, nobody could possibly be smart enough to use two similar names as a funny play on words, I must be completely stupid.

            (I think I have to put the /s here, such a sad world in which we live.)

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              Meh… I did consider that. But it seemed like too obscure a reference and well… at least now they understand the joke.

              Also, it wasn’t anything malicious, sorry that you got offended. It just didn’t read that much into it and simply answered the question.

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                Today I heard of Amouranth… hard to confuse words when you’ve never heard one of them. Thanks for the response, it clarified.

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                Yeah that thing that was in the news last week is such an old obscure reference, might as well have said 23 skidoo and asked if you’ve heard that Minnie is in the money, you’re right lol.

                I’m not offended (I probably should be, but), I’m just sad that the state of the world is such that Amon Amarth-to-Amouranth is immediately labeled idiocy rather than wordplay which at one time was widely understood to be a form of what used to be known as “a joke.”

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                  Again, nobody labeled you anything. Or if I did, it was confused. At most that means benign stuff such as “misunderstanding” or “auto-correct” or whatever. But that was more a manner of speaking because I simply didn’t put that much thought into why you said what you said because it didn’t really matter. I just wanted to answer that person’s question.

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    Is it surprising to you that people can spend their free time independent of their political paradigm?

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    I collect coins and I have a deep love of history. I also spent some time in South Africa.

    Some of my prized coins are WW2 and Apartheid era coins.

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    I don’t trust ANYONE who says they are a fan of Warhammer 40K unless they are a fan of a Xeno faction.

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      Honestly, I would only trust Ork and maybe Tau players. Everyone else needs questioning.

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        Tau like to preach about the Greater Good (the greater good) but they’re no valiant champions of morality. Least shitty by far, though.

        Orks are questionable because they do cruel things without purpose except the cruelty. It’s arguable that that’s just how they’re genetically programmed what with being artificially created and all that, like how I would argue the tyanids are the only “good” faction by virtue of being true neutral and at many stages more or less animals.

        All the other factions do evil shit to whoever they feel is standing in their way, including their own people.

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                The species is called the Kin. Basically squats with a new paintjob who live in the galactic core. The Votann are both their first ancestors that left pre-Imerial Earth, and the current Ancestor Core computers that they worship as deities. They are cloned with beneficial stable mutations, resistant to chaos (minimal warp presence), and when they die, they get tossed into the blender where their experience is uploaded into an ancestor core and their biomass is repurposed. They frequently trade with other cultures, and avoid open combat if it would be deemed wasteful.

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      Space clowns baybeeeeee

      (I kinda like the grey knights too, but I am firmly in the camp of “every 40k faction except maybe the tau is evil and that’s how it should be”)

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        every 40k faction except maybe the tau

        Add the Kin to that. They are callously pragmatic to the end, but I wouldn’t call them outright evil.

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    I do home canning and a fair deal of baking. There’s a lot of trad bullshit around this that makes me just go “I’m canning cause I love me some candied jalapeños, not because my husband demands I do”

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    I’ve had so many conversations come to a grinding halt while doing RC stuff, because I realize the person is not only veering the conversation to intentionally toward certain topics, they’re expressing right-wing opinions or shoving religion in my face. I’ve left RC events because they opened with a prayer, or because I’ve seen too many red hats in the crowd.

    I’m sure it’s also because of the state I live in, but it’s a little disheartening to see so many people in my hobby who would gladly stone me to death in the street once the government allows it.

    Also weirdly mountain biking has me fucking confused. So many magats on my trails, and it was my impression that cycling in general wasn’t as popular amongst the “anti-woke” crowd. Along with other things they view as a threat to their big metal death boxes that run on dead Dino and plant juices.

    Lastly, blacksmithing. I do mostly bladesmithing, but like to try all aspects of it. This hobby is rampant with right-wing nut jobs and I’ve stopped watching MANY content creators over the years because they started making personal vlog style videos when Biden got elected bitching about how awful and hard it is to be a straight white male in America.

    also target shooting but that’s a hot topic no matter which way you look, but here’s a reminder that armed minorities are harder to oppress

    never partake of inebriating substances no matter what type while handling a firearm in any capacity. I’ve seen too many people at an outdoor range with a beer can beside them. This should get you banned from the premesis.

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      I’m going to decide RC is Roman Catholic.

      I’ve left [Roman Catholic] events because they opened with a prayer

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      Also weirdly mountain biking has me fucking confused. So many magats on my trails, and it was my impression that cycling in general wasn’t as popular amongst the “anti-woke” crowd.

      (MX Enduro and Mtn biker of many years here and I’ve observed the same thing)

      It has nothing to do with liking/disliking bikes and everything to do with the toxic masculinity culture of “conquering” a hill, or trail, or just in general being more in the “bro” culture that does tend to attract more magats than other hobbies I’ve picked up.

      There’s a nontrivial number of mtn bikers that are in the maga crowd, and the only link I can find is that this tends to attract a lot of people similar to the Andrew Tates of the world.

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      so many magats on my trails

      Does this really surprise you? “Country folks” are much more likely to be regularly out in nature, more likely to be into fishing/hunting/camping, and more likely to run Conservative than the more Liberal urban folks.

      At least in my experience. Which is something that has me super confused about the national parks thing, cause conservative people routinely poll higher for usage of public lands. But then again I guess it shouldn’t surprise me to see them shocked when they invite the leopard into their house.

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      I have a Peloton at home and at the rare cases when I open the leader board, I am surprised how many people have some MAGA or Trump related tags. Ah well, even the OG Nazis were all about fitness.

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      Alcohol at a range? Id never go back. Stone cold sober people are stupid enough handling weapons.

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        I don’t go back, and I have no more outdoor ranges to go to that aren’t too far away.

        I used to go to a childhood friends house but after I moved we kinda drifted apart so it’s weird to ask to use their backyard range.

        I would love to have the property to put in at least a 100m lane and a large back stop to stop ricochets and the like. Then I don’t have to go somewhere people will whinge when I shoot more than twice a minute, and I’m not at risk of an ND coming my way.

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          ND

          North Dakota?

          In my area (Utah), BLM land is everywhere, and there’s plenty of unused state land an hour or so away. So we can just drive a bit and a flattish area with a natural backstop, and set up some comes or something so people can see the range.

          Is that not an option in your area?

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            Apologies.

            As deegeese said, Negligent Discharge.

            My bad, I tend to think people have more knowledge of obscure things than is normal, I guess.

            And I’m in Ohio, so while I technically could find some bit of land to shoot on, there’s forests, fields, and cities. Anything in between is private property.

            I’m exaggerating a bit, but that’s more or less how it feels.

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              Thanks. :) I’m not too familiar with the legal terms here. Everyone is pretty gun-positive (we have Constitutional carry here), so the chance that anyone would call the cops is pretty low if you’re outside city limits, and the chance the cops would do anything is pretty low.

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          Just be like my neighbor, his backdrop is a state park with hiking trails. He got his guns taken years ago when he flipped out and had a domestic incident but he got em back. Murica! Fuck yeah !

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          I can only imagine how much shit would hit the fan if their insurance company heard about that lol.

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          That’s crazy to me. Why would anyone want to be consuming alcohol while shooting?

          I know how I am when I smoke, and there’s no chance I’d trust handling a firearm. Not because I’m violent or anything when bake (lol who is) but because my reasoning and decision making skills are impaired, maybe I mistake something for something else in a tense moment and something bad happens. Nope. Safe stays locked, and the door to their room gets locked and the key given to someone responsible, or put in the coffee tin. (I don’t like coffee and baked me steers clear of it, so I figure it’s better to be in there behind several obstructions)

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            Alcohol makes your aim more steady (in small to smoderate amounts.) It’s considered a PED in shooting competitions.

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              I believe it. The first hit of my thc pen makes my hands stop shaking, any relaxant is bound to make your aim steadier in just the right amount.

              Still won’t ever see me shooting when alcohol is present.

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      I think there are just more of them these days. Young men are an especially growing segment of Trump supporters. And the ones that used to hide themselves are open about it more and more every time Trump wins.

      I see them in woodworking, pottery, gaming, hiking. And I live in a blue city in a blue state. I think we just have to accept that most Americans support conservative ideals.

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        That’s maybe partly true, but pretty much everyone I’ve talked to in my very conservative area (Utah) doesn’t like Trump. In fact, I saw more Ukraine flags in the first year of the war than Trump flags.

        I’m no progressive (consider myself libertarian), though I probably align with the OP in all the ways they seem to care about. I want more legal immigration (my SO immigrated), more acceptance of LGBT people, less pollution, more separation of church and state (happen to be deeply religious too), etc. My main difference is that I don’t believe those goals justify using government to restrict rights to effect cultural and social change.

        So just be careful about how you tune your Nazi filter. I strongly oppose Trump, but I may get caught in the filter depending on the question.

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      Blacksmithing is sick. I would absolutely love to start doing it again (tbf I never really got into it), but I’m not at my parents that often (which is where the equipment is) and if I am I usually dont really have the time.

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      I’m a road biker who occasionally dabbles in gravel and mountain biking.

      I think the right wing hatred of cyclists comes down to two primary things:

      1. They have road rage over being behind bikes on the road, so they “hate cyclists.”

      2. They equate lycra/spandex as being feminine or at least “non masculine” if not outright “gay.”

      They are usually cool with mountain bikers because they aren’t “in their way” on the road, and usually are wearing baggy “manly” clothing.

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        Ah, insecurity and overcompensation, what would we do without you…

        Fellas, is it gay to be comfortable while cycling? My wife will be devastated.

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          For real. Riding in 100F temps in anything but lycra is out of the question for me. The only time I don’t wear my cycling clothes on a bike is when I am pulling my kid in the trailer and we will be stopping at all the playgrounds.

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      Yeah, it’s really annoying being involved in target shooting when everyone thinks you’re a MAGAt as well

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        I really do, and I would love to move to a different country.

        However, I have no college degree, and no work experience beyond retail/food/3rd-party-labor, and about $200 to my name. Maybe $3000 if I sold all my big stuff, including vehicle.

        So the chances of me moving without being a political refugee are low, sadly.

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    Try being a classicist… it’s rough out here. Can’t really say I love Greece and Rome without sounding insane.

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      God-Emperor (mostly dead sitting on a cybernetic throne preserving his life, requires like 100 psychics a day to feed on to live) wants to spread his Religious-no-religion religion across the cosmos, and the brutality with which is required is a small price to pay for industry.

      And then they choose to like the guy unironically. But if they’re really into Slaneesh then they just get a special brand of weird.

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        requires like 100 psychics a day

        1,000 per day. Every day. For Ten. Thousand. Years.

        So you know, just a drop in the bucket, no big deal.

        And to be fairrrrrrr… The emperor himself wants no religion at all, and it’s the corrupt and zealous officials that spread the “the emperor is a god” thing, he straight up destroyed a planet because a chapter of marines converted it to Emperorism once. That was before he got stuck on his death throne, obviously.

        Anyone who genuinely admires ANY of the factions in 40k just doesn’t understand it.

        They all suck. There are no good guys. Honestly I’d say the closest thing to good guys there are would be the tyanids, because they’re just doing what tyanids do. You don’t get mad at cows for being cows. Or wolves for being wolves. They are what they are and they do what they do. It isn’t malicious intent.

        It’the A̴l̴l̴ C̶̳̑ọ̷̓͂n̴̼͕͂̄ṡ̴̹̕u̶̘̿m̶̜̿͜ȋ̵̲́͜n̴͈̜̎g̴̰̝̈̇ Ḩ̴̛͖͚̣̯̟̗̮͔͓̝̜͆̓̈́̈́̇̓͒̕Ừ̶̲̓̃̂̉̎͛̀̒̕̚N̵̨̳͈͙̘̭̩̹͈̙͈͙͕̮͋̿̆͐̅̇͆̅̋̈G̵̛̛͇̗̘͓̐̓̆̓̌̓̃̀̂͛́̉͘͘͝Ę̸̙̩͈͕̒̄̋́̍́̔̔̉͝͠R̸̛͇͚̜͍͉̺̋̽̀̎͌̈́͗̀͌̓̊̂͜

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          The tyranids are an expression of entropy more than they are a species, they’re very nearly a force of nature. They’re not really “good” or “bad” in the same way that gravity isn’t good or bad.

          Now the Orkz I think are just fun and good dudes. They don’t really hate anybody in particular, they just LOVE to FIGHT and will keep doing that unless stopped. They will gladly fight amongst themselves if no one else appears to fight with them. They don’t really have grand dreams of conquest beyond swarming over the horizon to fight whatever is on the other side of it. The optimal end state of Ork supremacy isn’t galactic domination, it’s one big WAAGH cloud that rips across the galaxy in a giant loop and takes long enough doing it that the survivors can settle back down and bunker back up before the Boyz come back to town. They don’t even necessarily want to win, they just love to fight, they think it’s the best activity that you can do, and they want to share that with any and everyone.

          From anyone else’s perspective this is a horrifying wall of green skinned, brutal cunning monsters that will sprout up out of literal nowhere and reproduce faster than you can print more bullets for them. But from the Orkz perspective they’re basically just asking you to join their football game. They’re fun guys.

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            But from the Orkz perspective they’re basically just asking you to join their football game. They’re fun guys.

            Different cultures I guess but in my neck of the woods, the hooligans down at the local football club don’t rip my arms off if I refuse.

            Oh sorry, I just realized I’m whispering.

            OI YA GIT, HUMIES AIN’T GOOD KRUMPIN’, MOST OF EMS IS TOO SMALL FER PROPPA FIGHTINZ, CEPT THE BIG BOYZ WITH THE BIG DAKKAS

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          1,000 per day. Every day. For Ten. Thousand. Years. So you know, just a drop in the bucket, no big deal.

          3,650,000,000 psykers are sacrificed since the Emperor went on the Golden Throne. That’s just over half the population of Earth.

          Writers have issue with scope. 1,000 a day seems shocking until you compare it a 1,000 out of a galaxy of trillions or whatever comes next. It is a literal drop in the bucket.

          I think the 1,000 was picked cause it’s high enough of a number for our brains to be like “That’s terrible!”

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            Honestly I keep forgetting the Imperium supposedly controls over 1 million worlds.

            They really do have a problem with scope.

            Space marines are bad ass in a fight but there’s only 1000 per chapter if they’re adhering to the codex, but that’s nowhere near enough for an entire galaxy.

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              Totally agree. Space Marines are demi-god, death machines however there would be no way a 1,000 of them could take an entire planet, as you correctly pointed an entire galaxy.

              My head cannon is that the Guard does all the work and their achievements are forgotten while the Space Marines get all the credit.

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              Well they don’t want to sacrifice all of their psykers. It is cheap, just a small part in the vast war machine.

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              Even at a planet scale, 1k troops are not enough. Sure, each is worth 100 men or whatever, but that makes them always spread too thin. In a planetary invasion, which orks and 'nids often do, if they can’t trick the enemy into chokepoints, they’re fucked big time.

              The Armageddon war had, what, 20 chapters deploying marines there? And that’s with massive support from the local IG regiment, plus space navy

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          Look at this traitor here^^^^

          All praise be to Omnissiah. May his leadership and grace guide you to the one true path. Give yourself to him and become one.

          Yeah they are really fucked up, but man…what great lore! Best thing about 40k baby

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          I think the problem is that despite everyone being evil, they are all also cool, and there is no real satire in it when there is no point being made.

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            they are all also cool

            looks at nurgle

            Uhhhhhh I’m not so sure about that one.

            But hey, if you want papa nurgle’s blessing, go for it.

            While the runners these days may not have any kind of satire in mind, it’s pretty obvious a large portion of the Imperium is based on a mixture of 1940s German and (80s-now) modern American ideals, as well as capitalism in general. The Eldar are arrogant isolationists and the dark Eldar are gluttonous.

            Most of 40k can have parallels drawn to modern society and the dials are all set to overload.

            While they may not have a direct point, I do think it still can have a message.

            “don’t be like this”

            Too bad we are failing…

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      Ooh, thanks for sharing this. I clicked on it thinking I had already read it before, but this is actually new to me. It looks interesting

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        My dad legitimately thinks that’s a great action movie. And to be fair, it is.

        But he doesn’t understand the deeper meanings.

        More meat for the grinder is totally just a bad ass thing to say! Not at all like an orphan crushing machine, for sure.

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          “The mobile infantry made me the man I am today” shows off two missing legs and one missing arm

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            In the books it’s explained the man is missing his legs specifically to scare people away and show them the potential consequences of service, so people really understand what can and does happen and do not sign up just for fleeting glory or to look cool.

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              I really didn’t feel like that needed to be more obvious than it was in the movie. Where would you even find trees to make even more massive clue-by-fours to hit people over the head with?

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            All the teachers are injured and in need of prosthetics and assisting devices, all of them served.

            As Rico’s dad said, it should be illegal to use schools as recruiting centers.

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              And while they all need a prosthetic, none of them have one unless it specifically pertains to something that will benefit their military job.

              The front desk guy needs 2 legs and an arm, but only has an arm and is in a wheel chair. The arm helps his job stamping new recruits in. The legs serve no purpose but to make his life better, but unnecessary for the job.

              Ricos teacher needs an arm, but while he’s teaching, he doesn’t have one. Once he’s back on active duty, he’s allowed a prosthetic arm because it helps the Federation. He doesn’t require an arm to teach.

              If it’s not required for your specific position, you don’t deserve to be made whole. It’s a pretty fucked up society overall, and not nearly enough people understand that the humans aren’t the good guys.

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                In the book there’s an additional interesting scene with Rico and the recruiter: Rico runs in to the recruiter as he’s leaving the office. The recruiter does actually have prosthetic legs, and he’s walking out the door. Rico asks why he didn’t have them on before. The recruiter explains that his job is actually to scare away recruits. He’s supposed to show potential recruits his missing legs as a consequence of his service. That way those that aren’t really serious about it, those who are doing it because it just seems like a cool idea, don’t go through with signing up. He then explains that the government doesn’t require him to be a living warning sign in his off-time, so he puts on his legs and goes about his life that way.

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                Not only are they not the good guys, the military started a fight where none existed in order to justify its existence.

                Buenos Aires was 100% a false flag, there’s 0 chance bugs in any system other than this one could have, in less than ten thousand years, encountered humanity and started lobbing asteroids at them.

                Even if they had the knowledge of where humanity is from, and the ability to target asteroids in order to reroute them, they simply don’t have the technology to speed an asteroid enough to be a threat to another planetary system.

                The military hauled an asteroid to hit a human population center. 100%.

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                Making the aliens actual bugs in the movie was a mistake and washes the rest of the critiques inside the movie away with it.

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                  I really disagree. The aliens being insects is perfect because it provides a justaposition with the human characters. The idea is that the insects are a swarm of mindless drones. Meanwhile, the humans are…well, also a swarm of mindless drones. Which is sort of the point of the movie. The fascist society they inhabit actively dehumanizes them and robs them of their ability to think for themselves. The visuals of the film reinforce this in the larger fight scenes: the mass of gray bodies that constitute the human forces all blend together into a single swarm, much like that of the insects. And by the end of the movie Rico is completely hollowed out as a character: literally just inhabiting the same role as Rasczak, and even parroting all of his phrases from earlier in the film.

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          Wut?! How can someone not understand Starship Troopers is satire? What about all of the propaganda cut ins?!

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            There really is no limit to how dense some dipshits can be. Hell, there are even fascist Star Trek fans, despite the show beating them over the head with stuff like this all the time!

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              Unfortunately that’s rather understandable. A largely ‘white’ and mostly male cast of mostly humans running around saving the day and ‘defeating/ enlightening’ backwards ‘alien’ cultures in what are basically military ships.

              So if you ignore the messages and the actual stories being told and only look at the superficial stuff (as MAGA Morons are wont to do) it does, sadly, pass the facist vibe check.

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            A lot of - I dare say most - people reach for fiction as a form of escapism, and they do need a suspense of disbelief to enjoy it. So if someone points out that in-fiction events are obvious caricatures of real ones, they don’t like it because they don’t want to see it, that’s why they are there and not in the real world.

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        I have no doubt it’s satire, but for me it’s always been more of a fun escape into a ridiculous, militarized sci fi fantasy world. I’d never want to genuinely set foot in that world though. Except the sexy coed showers. Booyah!

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      It’s just a glaring lack of critical thinking brought on by our (sometimes willingly) ignorant masses. Satire is dead in this country because we didn’t have the capacity to comprehend it.

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      Yeah, this was on full display when Helldivers 2 launched. So many people just didn’t get the satire, and unironically leaned into the messaging.

      For the unaware, Helldivers 2 is basically a Starship Troopers video game.

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          The book is an exploration of and presents an argument for militarism. That alone doesn’t make it propaganda. While many of the sentiments, implications, premises in the book carry a clear bias, the book nevertheless invites the reader to engage with and reflect on the ideology rather than aiming to manipulate and indoctrinate the reader.

          I’d say the earnest argument presented by Heinlein in ST is flawed and morally objectionable, but not a piece of propaganda.

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            So the book presents an argument for and has a bias towards militarism, but it’s not propaganda? Are you also going to tell me that Atlas Shrugged invites the reader to explore whether capitalism is good or not? Hard disagree.

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              I mean… yeah? I don’t agree with it, but I feel like its to detailed and nuanced to be merely propaganda. Propaganda would be shit like the Red Dawn remake or almost any movie involving the US military that tends to be to shallow to be anything but propaganda.

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                It’s nuanced like a brick is from what I remember and was basically a commercial for the military. The enemy were nonhuman arachnids, which doesn’t come off as terribly subtle.

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              I think it would help if you clarify what “propaganda” means to you, as I have a sense we mean different things.

              For me, I understand propaganda as media/content/communication aimed at manipulating people towards a particular point of view. It’s often characterized by reduction, misrepresentation/deception, disingenuous argument, and etc. That is also to say that I make a distinction between manipulation and persuasive argument. So, a piece of content can make an argument, display inherent biases, employ persuasive techniques, without being propaganda. That’s because all forms of expression necessarily hold an ideological position.

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                It was basically a commercial for the military from what I can remember. There wasn’t subtlety. The military was put on a pedestal. People that hadn’t been in the military didn’t get to vote. The enemy were reduced to inhuman arachnids. It’s propaganda in the same way Top Gun is.

                But my point was mainly the movie and book were very different.

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                  Are you arguing the book is propaganda or the society of the book is heavily propagandized? The book itself is not propaganda if you fully read it. The horrors of war are on full, gruesome display. Heroism, cowardice, death, and dismemberment to the humans and arachnids. The society of the book is heavy on the propaganda, but the book itself is not propaganda.

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      Yeah I am having a great time with Helldivers 2 but damn if I don’t feel this pretty much every time I play

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      I really blame the games industry as a whole for this. They keep making games with Space Marines as the protagonists, where their violence is presented as justified, when a lore-friendly space marine game should be like “No Russian” missions all the time and the resulting failure this causes to their Empire. This constant “whitewashing” of the lore, is what has attracted a ton of people.

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        I would LOVE to see a WH40k setting where the space marines are lore-accurate murdering an entire multi-billion hive-city for some minor heresy by a few thousand of the people on the 925th-sub-basement, and you’re playing random ganger Scumface Mc Spikearms who’s just trying to survive.

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          So a WH40K/Spec-Ops: The Line mashup.

          The Line was an anti-shooter, in the sense that it felt like a generic third-person shooter while constantly hammering the “you shouldn’t be having fun playing this because war is awful and full of atrocities” messaging. It was actually a fairly decent critique of the shooters that were prevalent when the game was developed. It came out when games like Gears of War, Resident Evil, Mass Effect, and Red Dead Redemption were dominating the third-person shooter market, while the FPS market was dominated by Halo and COD.

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            Eh, I feel the message of Spec Ops was really sabotaged by the poor in-game systems.

            There’s a mission where you have to defend a point, and you get the option to drop white phosphorus. But that mission is really easy, and you can easily play it for hours and hours, killing an infinite number of enemies. It doesn’t progress without pushing the button.

            And then it berates you, the player, for pushing the button.

            This feels really weird to me. I can see the point in the distance, but it really doesn’t work for me, since you can obviously just murder people till eternity as well.

            And the game has several hidden “better ways”, like shooting the rope at the hanging, where it will reward you for doing it better. But it doesn’t have that option elsewhere, like the white phosphorus option.

            Honestly, there’s a big disconnect between some of the scenes, and the heavyhanded message.

            Contrast it with “no Russian”, which is a map that’s offered with zero commentary, letting you shoot unarmed civilians, but not punishing you at all if you don’t. And no matter what you do, the end result is the same. That’s a system that fits with everything in the game, it doesn’t have to swing a message in your face, and it doesn’t have to break with normal gameplay to insert elements required for the message.

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              I think it forms part of bigger meta narrative, and the end of the day you still go through with the white phosphur attack as the game is forcing the choice on you to proceed as the only way to solve the problem - which is what the character believed in

              Its message is,to me, “are you having fun” playing a game of murder -it forced, albeit clumsily, the reality of war when you feel you have no other option - a choice you are forced to make like pulling the trigger of a gun. You can leave the game and not do it or you pull the trigger.

              You are still killing after that point soon after, with character quick to stat blaming others and you are still going on for the ride by playing- to finish the game, to get to Komrad- it comes off pretentious i admit, but the wp was acting as a turning point and was using a blunt force narrative to make you start asking questions about the character’ sanity

              Could it have been done better - sure, but the thing is you, the player, still went through with it and pressed the button instead of putting the game down and refusing - it is trying to sell the point of view of the player’s character you are playing decided that it was the “only way” and by continuing to play the game you have accepted the condition forced upon you and continued to be complicit in the events that unfold because you wanted to see the story through.

              “No Russian is shock value, but there really isn’t much player consequence as it doesn’t matter what you do so long as you keep up, you could even skip it”

              If you wanted to avoid the nastiness of what you were doing you could in No russian, specs ops decided to comfront the player with deciding for the player to either accept the nastiness or don’t and if you want to see the story to completion you better get your hands proper dirty and not half ass it.

              Again, conveying that is not easy and what they did could have been conveyed better. You are seeing things from the perspective of a dude with severe ptsd and you have been murdering people up to that point on fragile pretense

              spoiler

              Especially since the whole point was to scout for survivors and head back - and that turned into a quest for Konrad that destroys whats left of Dubai on the orders of a broken man

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                Could it have been done better - sure, but the thing is you, the player, still went through with it and pressed the button instead of putting the game down and refusing - it is trying to sell the point of view of the player’s character you are playing decided that it was the “only way” and by continuing to play the game you have accepted the condition forced upon you and continued to be complicit in the events that unfold because you wanted to see the story through.

                My problem is that the game does tries to do it both ways. It tries to give you in-game options to “be less bad”, in the crowd scene and the hanging scene, doing a very game-y thing by going straight. But then it ALSO does the WP scene where it’s going for “The only winning move is not to play” thing by breaking outside the game.

                And that ruins both angles for me, it feels really lazy, like they just kinda shoehorned the angle in and felt super smart afterwards, when to me it just feels like they’re covering up for bad writing. They didn’t commit.

                “No Russian is shock value, but there really isn’t much player consequence as it doesn’t matter what you do so long as you keep up, you could even skip it”

                If you wanted to avoid the nastiness of what you were doing you could in No russian, specs ops decided to comfront the player with deciding for the player to either accept the nastiness or don’t and if you want to see the story to completion you better get your hands proper dirty and not half ass it.

                You couldn’t skip No Russian way back when it first released, that was patched in later because of the massive public outcry over that map. That’s not really my point, my point is that as a writer, it’s fine to engage inside the game with the characters OR place it on the reader/player, but doing both makes both miss the mark.

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                  I know this is subjective, but I had embraced the narrative and got into the character’s head as he slowly lost patience with everything

                  My decisions were at :

                  “The hanging was screw you, I am not playing by your rules”

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                  at the crowd scene, things leading up to it made me just as frustrated at the characters, that I also was getting sick of things, and gunned them down because I got tired of it all and I inhibited the character - that was a point that I felt just as tired as the characters and thought everyone can die, no one here is worth the effort,

                  Them doing the cop outs does make the scenes weaker, I agree, - the hanging I feel was early enough before things went off the deep end, but the crowd scene, for me, was memorable because I made a mistake in the heat of emotion, when I let myself be engrossed in the role-playing as the soldiers physically, mentally and emotionally break down, it was what stuck with me especially when you reach the end and you realize how you’ve been played for a fool the whole time.

                  Would it have been better if it was tighter and they fully commited to that descent into madness, yes. Did they have to go so heavy with the messaging, not really.

                  The no russian mission, I felt initially shocked the first time, but once the police arrive my illusion was broken. You can just walk through the whole civilian section and do nothing and be blamed for the attack anyway - it had more impact if you were killing people but it also has initial shock value but it is all an illusion like the choices in Spec Ops.

                  There was a bit of a disconnect with how was it, 5 men in only body armour made a fool out of russian equivalent of swat - they were performing riot police procedure on men armed with machine guns and grenade launchers - no different than spec ops in the last stretch of the game where you are killing juggernauts and armoured vehicles, the airport guards I can understand - but the special police were funneling into killzones - and maybe that was the idea for the context for war but it was like the North Hollywood Shootout, only both sides were carrying equivalent weaponry and only one side was really using it

                  I know Makarov was connected with politicians and the whole thing could have been decided to be green lit as a false flag to have a pretext.

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              See, I always thought this comparison falls flat, because No Russian and Spec Ops both give you the same amount of choice - either you complete the mission or not - and both give you no alternative way to proceed and no way to prevent it other than close the game. That Spec Ops makes you push buttons for the bad thing to happen rather than allow you to chicken out and be a passive rather than active participant is a point in it’s favour.

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              I always hear people talk about the white phosphorus part of the game, but the game doesn’t give you a choice there. I much prefer the parts where you are actually given a choice. The one that I remember the best is the civilians, you don’t have to kill them and I just fired a warning shot and they quickly dispersed. Apparently some people will gun them down.

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                You hear people talk about it, because it’s so bad and jarring and forced. People keep bringing up specops as some great writing inversion of a shooter trope, when it really just doesn’t get what agency is.

                If you don’t give a player agency, you can’t then berate them for doing something wrong, because they didn’t actually do a thing. The phosphorous part of the game is a thing you don’t get a say in, but the game blames you as a player.

                It’s like me blaming you for reading the word phosphorus, when you had basically no choice in that.

                If you don’t give agency, you can only ever blame the character. And the writer made the characters, not the player.

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            yeah, agreed. But Rogue Trader was remarkably on brand.

            There were a LOT of parts where you basically had to decide the life and death of tens to hundreds of thousands. And often, the ethical thing was NOT the in-game right choice. For example, you could allow refugees aboard, it gets you nothing, but some of them will try to sabotage you. If you kill them all, you even get piety points for killing (some) heretics.

            I recall one of the developer replying to a comment that said “If I’m evil, I get cool items, if I’m good, I get nothing, why is that?” and they replied with “If you’re doing it for a rewards, you’re not really being good, are you now?”

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              “If you’re doing it for a rewards, you’re not really being good, are you now?”

              This is moon logic. Yes, that’s how it works in the real world, but you aren’t in the real world. You’re playing a game.

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                You do in fact score points in the “people love me” stats if you do things like that. But the “people love me” path is far less powerful than the either of the “Religious fundamentalists love me” paths.

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                  RDR2 I think did it really well. In RDR2 you have that good/bad meter, and people react to your presence based on that. Do good stuff, and they’ll greet you nicely. Do bad, especially in a specific town, and they’ll shoot first ask questions later. You didn’t even need to do anything if your bad meter was even full a little bit, they’d just be more hostile to you, and scales based on just how far the meter was on bad. Anywhere from NPCs mouthing off telling you to kick rocks, getting punched, getting shot at, and having a posse gathered hunting you down.

                  I don’t think warhammer can do that though, because if you know anything about that universe, you’re solidly in the evil category. But that’s every species, even the “good” sect of the Eldar aren’t exactly good guys.

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        The article discusses this; basically the video games want you to at least slightly like the protagonist you’re playing as, which means they can’t entirely be the monstrous caricatures they were designed to be.

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          I don’t get it why not though, Spec Ops The Line was not a technical marvel or an outstanding gameplay experience even for its time, but we are still talking about it for its message.

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        GW constantly pushes Space Marines and to a lesser extent the Imperial Guard as a majority of time as the protagonist. People don’t have the media literacy to understand that protagonist does not equal the hero. The protagonist is just the main character of the story and they can be evil or good or anything in between.

        I feel like the satire is being washed out to support the line that shall always go up.

        But hey, Space Marines goes “Pew! Pew! Pew!”

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        I would like some more grimdark in warhammer games. At this point Rimworld seems better for it, as you can commit most warcrimes in that just fine. Even new things that are not yet yet in the Geneva suggestions! Like executing POWs with eldritch horrors after you have harvested them for most of their organs to sell on the blackmarket.

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        “I’m currently playing through [single player game]”

        Ah ok, we’re probably good

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            A long time ago, when I was a teenager and the first HoI was out, I was only playing Germany. Mostly because it was the only powerful country which felt somewhat manageable without wanting to cry in the convoy screen…

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              Navy management is actually quite easy, people just overthink it/don’t understand that the AI is so flawed it doesn’t matter in SP, you just need enough naval superiority in one zone for a single day to Sealion Britain as anyone from Spain to Ethiopia. It’s also much easier now that you can claim navies in peace deals.

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          Is it bad that I played China in SP? I did pretty much take over the world…

          It was an interesting run. Just surviving as China in the beginning is extremely hard, but eventually I controlled all of China plus Japan. Then Russia attacked so I took over almost all of Russia. Then the allies attacked, so I blocked them at India and eventually took over India, then North America and finally started pushing into Europe. With no DLC the endgame can become such a painful grind. The only aggressive wars I was in were the early wars to unify China. Other than that I was always on the defensive.

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        Legit, I have a teenager in the family heavily into it, and it is worrying. Are there any good articles on how to handle this specific thing gracefully?

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          Ask them what their favorite faction in that game is, or if there are any mods they’ve done recently. Could always just be a big nerd for WW2 cause they’re a teenager.

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        Stellaris has entered the chat

        My genocidal machine empire is gonna wipe the galaxy of all the filthy xeno scum. I don’t even want your worlds, I’m gonna crack that bitch open like an egg because we don’t need your pathetic “breathable air”

        God damn biologicals.

        But seriously, Stellaris is fucking awesome.

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      Becoming involved in niche video game communities made me realise how overwhelmingly right wing gamers can be.

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        It’s because video games are a hobby you can play in isolation and being a shithead often has no consequences online.

        Similar to how small towns tend to be more xenophobic than big cities due to a lack of exposure to different people and viewpoints

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        I just like playing as the tyanids, okay?

        Although I guess if you want to get technical, they’re quite xenophilic… Gotta consume, maybe they’re just into vore.

        Damn, what a terrible day to have a brain that thinks such thoughts… (not into vore, but I don’t kink-shame unless it’s your kink)

        Maybe I do have a problem…

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          I haven’t played Stellaris for years, but I thought one wouldn’t go for Xenophobic on those races, but more for “I am the crisis”, shared consciousness builds, which I think would be OK.

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            I’ll be honest, I like playing stellaris but i tend to get burnt out after about 200 years or so, and don’t fully know all the game mechanics because of this.

            I’ll defer to your expertise on this one.

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          I legit think Stellaris is the best game if you want to roleplay inside 4X strategy. Which is why it’s of course worrying if someone keeps making fashy races :)

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          Yeah, but at that point it’s not a red flag anymore. If everyone plays video games, it doesn’t have predictive value anymore until you get into specifics genres or even specific games/franchises.

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            But…Isn’t that the whole point of this post…? Playing video games doesn’t mean you’re a shitty person but there’s enough shitty people into the hobby that you need to get clarification? Why phrase it that way when we’re making the same point?

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              It’s silly to blame “gamers” when gamers encompasses potentially the entire planet with every belief.

              Blame conservatives who happen to be gamers. It’s the same fucking people, every time.

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                From my experience playing online games, there’s a higher percentage of people publicly using slurs than the general population.

                That’s not an admonishment of gamers as a whole, though. I’m not blaming “gamers” for anything

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              We’re not making the same point, though. Would you take it as a red flag to learn that someone often eats noodles or drinks cola?

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                Nowhere did I say it was a red flag to play video games so you’re countering a point I didn’t make with reasoning that supports the point I did

                Playing games is not a red flag in itself but some games certainly are. So getting clarification is about checking for red flags…

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    Try being a Warhammer 40k enjoyer. Some people forget that humanity are STILL BAD GUYS in 40k.