When do I get to collect my payment for being right the entire time?
Your payment was the year of abuse from centrists you’ve already received, plus the next 4 years of blame for the loss they earned.
Same as anyone else who wasn’t 100% on board with the genocide centrists preferred to keeping democracy.
The day they admit they’ve been wrong the entire time. I hope you get interest on that bet because it’ll be a while.
She is her own person and has to live with the consequences of her choices like everybody else. It’s all in the past now and just a footnote in history.
She’s planning a run for Gov of California. So her recent history is still very relevant.
She was elected, not appointed. She could say and do what she wanted and theres not much Biden could have done about it.
Who elected her?
I did, when I voted for Joe Biden, as did the rest of us.
You voted for Joe Biden, not for Kamala Harris
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She was not elected to the the presidential candidate for 2024, she was anointed by the party without an open primary.
If you can’t have a conversation without resorting to character attacks, that says a lot about your (lack of) character.
By the time Biden dropped out, it was one month to the DNC which would select a candidate. There was no time to run a primary, and they were actively attempting to prevent what happened at the last brokered convention which resulted in utter chaos:
Yes there was still time to run a primary.
Besides, Biden should have dropped from the race many months prior, or better yet not run again at all as he promised during his 2020 campaign.
Harris and other DNC members shouldn’t have tried to gaslight us about Biden’s health during all that time; they really took us for a bunch of idiots, which most certainly didn’t help their case.
We needed “utter chaos” at the convention, and didn’t get it. That convention needed to drown out the spectacle of the donvict, and draw in bored and disillusioned voters to participate.
It didn’t. They were trying to avoid a “Bernie Bros” scenario that couldn’t have occurred because we didn’t have months to fall in love with a particular candidate.
It sucked out what little life remained in the campaign, and gave us the most boring presidential race of my lifetime.
In my state, there are two ballot lines. One for POTUS, and one for VP.
Just another example of how the Democratic party is only slightly less fucked than the Republicans.
Yikes! This is a shit argument IMO. Biden wouldn’t have broken from her if she stood strong on her own stances. This is a terrible look for her. More feckless establishment Dems acting like the controlled opposition they are.
I won’t be voting for people like this in the future. I know many others that think like me too. That’s going to be a huge problem for the Dem establishment. They’re pushing progressive folks out and replacing them with no one.
To be honest, this is just a signal that she probably wouldn’t have been a good leader. Better than Trump, sure, but that bar is so low it’s a tripping hazard.
She should have told Biden to pound sand after locking up the nomination.
But we should verify the claim before passing judgement.
Honestly, her campaign already signaled that. This, if true, just reinforces it. It also reinforces that Biden was a bad leader, which he was.
Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.
Blaming Biden makes sense. Blame the problems on the actual person in charge. Harris wasn’t in charge, she should’ve let Biden take all of the failures of the term, regardless of her position at the time
No democrat president has been “in charge” in 50+ years.
The owners of the DNC have been in charge.
Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.
Man I am getting sick of needing to say this ahead of time/to anyone who goes “well if you criticized our candidates of their serious and actual issues, you must be a Republican!”
Definitely. And as soon as you say something leftist you’re accused of not voting or “throwing away your vote” so you can’t complain. Like, I get it. “Have the day you voted for” etc, but libs are pointing fingers at the wrong people. I’ve said it like a million times before, but sooo many of my leftist friends reluctantly voted Kamala when they were vehemently opposed to her stance on Palestine and now feel like they sold out for nothing. Like, at least if they hadn’t voted they could say they stood for something. Now they don’t even have a high horse to ride into the apocalypse on. The way libs will break your spirit is wild. They have more energy to fight leftists than republicans.
I’m still content that I left my vote for president blank. No to all genociders regardless of party-- no exceptions. Maybe the DNC will learn not to ever try that nonsense in an election again if they know they can’t possibly win doing it. Or maybe this country will tear itself apart, but if the price of keeping it together is engaging in the mass murder of innocents, then this system of government will have to end and restart in some different form.
Based.but if the price of keeping it together is engaging in the mass murder of innocents
That’s what it’s been running on the entire time if we stop now it’ll surely collapse!
It’s refreshingly less common here than reddit. I am so happy to find comrades in “i voted for dems but it was under duress” here.
That’s basically how it was for me. Harris was going to win my state no matter what, I did it just to ensure numbers.
As far as I’m aware, Biden controlled most of the campaign money at least initially. either way it’s still a pretty weak excuse for Harris.
Biden really fucked us in so many ways though, I’m happy to blame him for losing the election as well. I mean he was the one who thought gaslighting us about the economy was a winning move, he put Harris in a terrible position to begin with. Not to mention deciding to run again in the first place, appointing a Trump collaborator as AF, refusing to exercise his power, etc etc
If I was kamala I would have slammed joe. For the good of the country, of course.
I think the best move would have been a substantial but firm and respectful break was the way to go forward.
If Kamala pushes back too hard against Joe, the establishment will question whether she grateful for his support and the opportunity he provided.
Let’s blame Joe so Kamala can run again.
Not fooling me, DNC. I smell what you’re cooking.
I want to tell myself that there’s no way in hell they would let this happen, let alone make it happen.
Then I remember it’s the DNC.
Kamala or Buttigeig, you can bet on it.
Seriously, go to Vegas. At least you’ll make money on the end of the world.
Buttigeig is likely going to run given that he is giving up his chance at a Senate seat.
I feel like Walz is going to run as well. He’s been showing up in national media a lot and seems to be becoming the face of the opposition.
Newsom seems like he’s going to run as well, but he’s been making terrible choices recently.
Yeah, Walz refuses to announce (like they always do) but you don’t make the amount of noise he is without gearing up for something. I don’t think there’s any way he doesn’t run, and currently he might even be my favorite of those that I’m confident will run. We’ve got a while before the next presidential election though, so anything could happen and I can’t really be bothered thinking about.
Newsom seems like he’s going to run as well, but he’s been making terrible choices recently.
Yeah, he’s trying to become the preordained nominee by making choices party leadership likes.
This guy gets it. Speaking as a Californian, this is exactly, precisely what’s happening. I don’t use this term a lot because it resurfaces trauma of not realizing I was posting in a thread on Hexbear, but Newsom is straight up the textbook definition of a shitlib. He’s always kinda been a shitlib, with a ratio of one kinda okay decision to like four disappointing, mediocre, and shitty decisions that make the wealthy and corporate donors happy. Now that he sees a path to the presidency laid bare, he’s fully embracing his shitlib instincts. Please, for the love of Buddha, don’t vote for him in the primary.
Please, for the love of Buddha, don’t vote for him in the primary.
As though primary votes matter. The party successfully argued in court that they don’t.
You can always count on Ensign_Crab to twist the knife one last time. Gotta make sure they’re demoralized.
Yup. If we don’t de-throne establishment leaders in 2026 I’m afraid that this is the way we are going to go. And as a CA I’ve mostly been alright with Newsom’s government, but he is absolutely not the guy for this moment in time in terms of the presidency.
Insert shameless plug for Saikat Chakrabarti, former AOC campaign manager and Chief of Staff who is running against Nancy Pelosi in the 2026 election. For those looking for a way to make a difference, supporting this guy’s bid and making him famous is a good, tangible way to do it.
We need more AOCs and fewer Pelosis.
Buttigieg has made it clear that he is not running for office and is looking forward to playing support over the next four years.
I’d bet they’ll try to run Blinken or Shapiro. Harris cant bring in campaign donations, and donations are all the DNC cares about.
I feel like they have really poor name recognition. And while Shapiro looks great and presidential, Blinkin has a real “off” kind of look to him.
They’re also both in a murder and land left theft cult, and you can be sure that they will use any influence they get to further entangle the US in that, at astronomical cost to the US.
I’m betting Mark Cuban. They (I believe, based on the sudden interest in him as a “Progressive billionaire” on various social media platforms, and in person talks) that the solution to a Reich Wing Oligarch is a different Reich Wing Oligarch, but Blue this time.
I don’t think this is even close to possible. She has removed herself from public view for a reason. On a personal level, she’s done. If she had any intentions to run for any kind of office, she would have emerged by now as an opposition leader.
It’s not like they colluded to kneecap Bernie’s campaign. Wait…
Twice.
Nah, I think we should run Biden one more time. Surely, it’ll be different this time! /s
Same reaction here, and the DNC is just dumb enough to do it.
Well, there probably won’t be any more elections, so there’s that.
Yeah, I bet we won’t even have mid terms in 2 years
She’s free to run again, but this time she has to win the primary. And that’s unlikely. It’s rare in modern times for someone to lose a Presidential election and get another shot at it, Nixon and Trump are the only two in over a hundred years.
You seem to forget what they did to sanders. If they want a specific candidate they will make sure they win.
Also Adlai Stevenson in the 50s although he lost both times.
I’m calling bullshit on this.
There’s no possible way that Biden or any of his people could let or not let Harris do anything. They had no actual control over her campaign.
The only outsiders who had any control over her campaign were the DNC and the party establishment - the same pieces of shit who torpedoed Sanders in 2016 and 2020,.
I’m 100% certain that this narrative is coming from them, trying to dodge the blame they so richly deserve by pinning it on the senile guy.
Bruh …
You realize at the time the Venn diagram of people you’re complaining about was basically a solar eclipse, right?
And that after that we got a new DNC chair which completely changes the organization?
You’re literally doing what the neoliberals want and letting them off the hook and blaming our new chair who is more progressive than any other DNC chair in the past 30 years since neoliberalism took over.
Like, the fight over the party is over, we won…
Now we have to back the new progressive version of the party or neoliberals will claw it back when no one’s paying attention.
It’s like hating the Patriots because Bellicheck was an asshole, you’re right, but he’s fucking gone and there’s a new coach.
And that after that we got a new DNC chair which completely changes the organization?
I’m calling bullshit on that too.
The time for leadership is right now, when the US is facing the greatest threat in modern history and the Democratic party is at the forefront of organizations that can and should step up.
And they very much have NOT. That, all by itself, amply proves that while the names may have changed, the organization hasn’t. Even in this extreme hour of need, they’ve painfully obviously chosen to do fuck-all.
I’m entirely comfortable presuming that the neoliberals have never let go, and they’re already astroturfing their counter to the inevitable criticisms that are going to come when they yet again run on a platform of being not the Republicans, and of being just barely to their left. Just as they’ve done in the past, they’re going to blame their inevitable failure on us. Just as in the past, it’s not going to be that they’re corrupt sacks of shit wholly owned by moneyed interests and willing to lose an election rather than risk reducing the flow of soft money - it’s going to be that we didn’t go ahead and support them anyway.
I have zero reason to believe that this whole song and dance about a supposedly new and progressive DNC is anything other than just a new spin on the same old con job.
I can believe this. She seemed frustrated when she spoke about the Palestine situation, and I picked up a strong subject that she wanted to say more about her objections over Israel’s actions than she did.
Yeah, but that didnt bode well for her as a president…
She was the candidate, crowned with zero primary weeks before the election, with zero threat of being replaced.
But she stuck line by line to what Bidens team said
Buden’s team that was Hillary’s team, and before that Bill’s team.
Kamala would have been an empty suit for the same neoliberal machine and she would have appointed the DNC chair back to that faction so they could influence the primary in four years.
If Kamala literally had to say exactly what her advisors said when she was literally irreplaceable, she would have been a president in name only.
Don’t get me wrong, I held my nose and voted D like always, but I knew she was fucking it up, and long term that might have been for the best.
Tim Walz came out swinging, and they instantly sidelined him.
That alone was enough to say that the campaign was fucked.
Quick, hide Tim Walz, he’s too popular with voters!
-Neoliberals apparently
I still want Ken Martin to publicly commit to ending the Victory Fund bullshit tho.
“She was the candidate, crowned with zero primary weeks before the election, with zero threat of being replaced.”
No primary? There was a primary. Biden/Harris won that primary election as Phillips dropped out fairly early. What do you mean by “no primary”
Had Biden died on the campaign trail Harris would have been instantly the candidate. The situation with him stepping aside isn’t really any different. There was a primary and Biden/Harris won that primary.
No primary? There was a primary
And the state who literally has a law that they go first had their delegates stripped for not violating their own state law…
That’s how the “primary” started.
I don’t think I need to give any other examples after that.
The situation with him stepping aside isn’t really any different.
It’s different because DNC leaders, Bidens campaign team, his current admin, and various media organizations (owned by billionaire conservatives) colluded to hide Biden’s mental decline literally since he assumed office and all the way up to the last possible second
The neoliberals really did a weekend at Bernie’s and no one with the power to stop it gave a fuck because he had a D by his name.
That is how Republicans became president.
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Seriously, the same people we know lied about Biden and used an elderly mentally unwell person as their puppet were still going to be calling the same shit
How is that any different than what Reagan was?
I can almost accept some people don’t want them to face criminal charges, but you think giving them the country again would be better?
I don’t know if I can buy that when the DNC refused to let anyone with even a hint of background from the middle east get a platform, and when a protest at a speech happened, she said “I am speaking.” Not listening, speaking.
Kamala was somewhat of a Zionist, but not enough to justify Israel’s bombings. Because she wants a two-state solution, and if she had been president, she would probably criticize Netanyahu for his actions damaging Israel.
A strategy to avoid AIPAC considering you a threat.
His legacy is in the toilet so congratulations advisors.
I feel like blaming her loss on others takes away her agency. Seems sexist to me. We dont reassign blame like this with male failed candidates, but with Hillary and Harris everyone wants to paint them as purely victims.
They were both extremely bad candidates who should not have been in a position to run. If the party had been allowed to speak they would not have been allowed to run.
They weren’t really candidates that failed on their own merits, they were set up to fail by being put into a position they should never have been in.
Neither Hillary nor Kamala could have won a primary that wasn’t rigged in their favor. Since they didn’t get to their position as candidate based on their own merits, it’s reasonable to describe their failure in similar terms.
That said, there is such a thing as more than 100% blame, and this is a situation where A lot of people have a lot of blame. Those two women are 100% responsible for the stupid decisions they made. No one can take that failure away from them, but because of the nature of the mistake, there were a lot more people who should also be blamed and similarly excommunicated from politics.
There are elements of sexism here, but that’s just endemic to politics. They didn’t fail because of sexism, they got to where they were because of it and were set up to fail by it, but there are a lot of problems here beyond and before sexism.
I blame her loss on her being a bad candidate who wouldn’t push popular positions. Harris was a week candidate from the start. She dropped out of the primary in 2020 with only 3% support and then got the VP nom.
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Cut off funding, maybe. They would have guaranteed a loss with that maneuver thoug.
Even this seems far fetched. Why would they risk something like that in an election that had so much hanging on it.
I’m convinced that the DNC isn’t worried about winning any more races than they have to do that they survive as a political entity. Just going off the push the minority leaders have been making and the stream of emails and phone calls I get, as someone registered independent.
I see and hear nothing about actual policy change or progressivism from the names in the critical positions, and a lot about donations to “help us win next time, guys, for real this time!”
My senators (both women, both dems), haven’t actually responded to any of my calls, emails, or letters asking for their stances or plans for change. I have got several form responses that end with a call for donations, though. 🤷
Yes. As much as the Dems insist “This is a critical juncture, and we need to unite”, they mean “You need to unite behind whatever we say you need to do”.
See post-election: The only thing the Dems want to do is wear matching outfits, rather than vote “No”.
You know how in chess notation, questionable moves are marked with a question mark. That would have been a double question mark move. But dems have been making one questionable move after another.
They were already hanging the future of the country on an old man who struggled to stay awake through press conferences.
It worked for Trump.
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“We’ve also means tested the flashlights, so those who recall the time before the great darkness get less of the flashlights, and anyone who has flashlights that explode will be required to have a daily check of their pupils to ensure they’ve been good at not looking at the daylight.”
Smells like bullshit to me
Her position regarding Palestine and Israel cost her the election. Many Dems could not vote for her, so they didn’t vote.
I’d really love for that to be the case (enough people caring about genocide to decide an election), but it just isn’t. The data shows that people on the left still came out to vote and she lost a bunch of centrist votes or people who are seen as “low information”/unmotivated voters. Those people don’t care about Palestine. They thought she was weird, or a DEI candidate, or just weren’t inspired to get up and vote for her. I’m not saying she needs to go more centrist, but people like populism and she just didn’t do it.
There have been multiple reports on this issue indicating that you’re wrong and the previous claim was correct. But nobody knows for sure. If she had flipped positions, perhaps some people would have been turned off and they would have called her a flip-flopper.
And obviously there were many other reasons that she lost. We don’t get to blame it on just one.
That used to be my belief until I saw reports to the contrary. I believe you can see in my comment history right after the election saying that Gaza was a big contributor, but basically all the analysis I’ve seen since points to that not being true, so I’ve changed my tune. Would love to see what you’re looking at for numbers/polls.
I can’t remember the source, but the number 1 issue in every swing state other than Michigan (which had Palestine as its #1) among democrat nonvoters and centrists who voted republican was grocery prices. Most of those states had inflation as their number 2 issue and Palestine as the third. Palestine alone wouldn’t have been enough to swing any state other than Michigan.
I think its pretty clear that the primary reason Kamala lost because she didn’t present a vision for the economy. She literally just said that the economy is fine. Inflation and grocery prices? Ignore those!
Inflation maybe shouldn’t have been as big of an issue since it was below 3% and on its way down but it was still a concern for a large number of voters.
I agree for the most part, but she did have some milquetoast neolib proposals that would have helped. Mostly things already seen in one form or another in Bidens build back better plan, but honestly it didn’t matter. Her rhetoric was weak and her campaign was poorly managed. I saw SOOOO many ads requesting donations (lady, I don’t have money to buy eggs and you’re buying ad space, the optics are bad) and not one of them said anything of substance. I say time and again that Bernie got people to donate time and money they didn’t have because they believed in his message. Kamala had no message. She had some plans, sure, but did not effectively communicate them. They were too little too late regardless, but it felt like her ads were lazy cash grabs that couldn’t even be bothered to give out empty promises.
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If you believe that you are a moron. It is much more likely that people couldn’t find “Kamala” on the ballot instead of “Harris” rather than making an in-depth analysis of foreign policy of a war taking place somewhere 99% of the us populace couldn’t pinpoint on a globe.
If a person was so very pearl-clutching to think of the Israeli genocide of Palestinians to decide their US presidential vote, and then to vote for Trump or not vote at all, frankly that cohort deserves to be first against the wall.
Suddenly her campaign choices make a lot more sense…
