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Dont love the AI slop but appreciate the message
Dont love the AI
Are the taking Lemmy as revenue away from artists? Are they selling this commercially? Should they have commissioned a perfessional artist for your free meme?
No, I just think it looks like shit
There’s an XKCD for that
Something about trying to appeal to human emotions with robot creations doesn’t sit right sith me.
So I guess you’re opposed to CGI in movies as well, or any comic that isn’t hand drawn and scanned?
Shit, that’s using a scanner… Hand drawn and a picture taken… Nope. That doesn’t work either. Printed in a… Fuck.
I guess you only approve of comics hand drawn by people that show you the original in person?
Why are you making such a strawman? Using an AI model to completely generate a picture is obviously not the same as using the tools you mention here.
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The AI hate train in action
It does seem a little odd to include the USA twice and not to include China or the USSR once. They could have even included Dutch slavers putting Africans on a boat.
What’s more annoying? That people have the ability to generate content with AI, or that everyone on lemmy constantly complains about it?
You’re making your heads against walls over and over. Stop. Shut up.
Fascist: “We’re just following orders.”
Liberal: “Court orders?”
Fascist: “Shut up and get in the van.”
Liberal: “Okay, but I’m going to post a frowny face about it on Twitter.”
Why are there way more AI comic posts than usual lately?
AI shitposting is effortless.
Because sometimes people have an idea for a relevant comic, but not the artistic ability to draw it. So, they use AI tools to create the artwork.
Damn, you’re right, artistic talent is totally required to make webcomics.
I apologise for my glib response. I don’t doubt your sincerity. Things may change in the future. It’s just that in this particular historical moment AI has as much to do with democratising talent as nfts did with supporting solo artists/creators.
I am sorry. This combination is no longer allowed. Internet gatekeepers have spoken.
edit: obligatory /s?
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Regardless of my personal dislike towards AI, which I didn’t even express, I was just making an observation.
I think they were sarcastically replying to you. Pretending to be someone who actually has that opinion.
My comment is a little higher in the chain, they didn’t reply to me
Ah. Then I can understand your reply a little more. Still, you can consider their reply directed at everybody else in the thread bemoaning AI.
Facts.
if you work for ICE I think your views already align with theirs
To be fair, the nazi guy also looks like he’s in the SS.
Lads here me out on this it might sound a bit harsh but I’m starting to think them fasists are cunts
One of the few good things about WW2 is a lot of fascists died.
The message: 👍
The AI generated slop: 🫤
I could’ve made this art.
but you didn’t.
What’s your point?
You know when you repost someone else’s work, you should at least say who made it, right?
AI-generated artwork has thousands if not millions artists’ names attached to it.
I don’t understand. I mean, you’re right, of course. But, who are you answering? What are you answering?
Shocking truth:
Humans can make all art made by AI.
Humans can make all calculations made by computers.
People use tools to achieve their goals more efficiently. It’s the way it always has been. It doesn’t mean there’s no value attached to it.
Incidentally, for all of the “this is AI” brigade, what are you picking up on? I’m not picking up on any of the classic tells. Aside from the closed fists in the first and last image, where I’d personally go for an open hand, I don’t see anything obviously amiss.
Yea, I don’t mind AI for personal use stuff like this. But AI in commercial stuff is a big no go.
I agree with this entirely. I personally use AI to help me do things that I don’t have the time to do “the old fashioned way”.
I can draw, paint, sing, sculpt, etc, and I enjoy doing all these things very much. But I don’t have time any more - I have a full-time job, two kids taking up most of my time, and Long COVID means I’m asleep for almost all of what would be left over.
I’ve used AI to help me bring 2d art, music and 3d models into this world that would otherwise be trapped in my head.
To me, it is not even the commercial stuff that matters. AI-generated image should never be in public domain because it is all stolen from others, piece by piece. The copyright is a big question mark.
Humans can make all art made by AI.
They didn’t say “A human could make this”, they said “I could make this.”
People use tools to achieve their goals more efficiently. It’s the way it always has been. It doesn’t mean there’s no value attached to it.
This counters another argument that wasn’t made. Sure, the end product has some value, but also comes with the negatives that some people see as intrinsic in the use of AI.
what are you picking up on?
The eyes, mostly. The braid thing is weird, too.
What ever you do, don’t look at the Native American’s eyes. 🥴
😳😬
Hands, faces, eyes, insignias. The usual shit.
Dude pulling on native american person’s braid, mother and daughter look too similar, mom’s hand is messed up, SS logos are messed up
There’s a wave of AI generated comics hitting lemmy right now. At first i was in the same boat as you, found it difficult to identify
Now after seeing more and more, my brain’s detection algorithms are updating.
I’m quite good at seeing obvious AI slop images, but comics was a totallly new thing i had to learn to detect
Ah, thanks for that!
I was genuinely interested because I used to lecture when the GANs first started appearing. Ironically enough, I used to point out to the students how you could tell photos were generated (mismatching ears shapes, asymmetrical glasses, oddly shaped jewellery etc.).
Seems like I need more exposure to the comic art side of things!
If you’re interested in seeing how good it’s gotten now, some are impressive https://sora.com/explore/images
Do it.
Did AI make this? It looks like it
Why is that man pulling her braid lol
I don’t want to assume their gender but that’s a man, baby!
Must’ve trained the AI on Wheel of Time.
…he’s just following orders
Nah dw the mom just has epidermodysplasia verruciformis
It was just following orders.
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I get that Lemmy foams at the mouth whenever AI is involved, but why are there multiple comments calling this AI? Text is all correct, fingers are all correct, am I missing something?
Signature is missing
The new openai model is very good at all these details, so it’s hard to tell. I also think this is AI i cant explain why though, it just looks AI to me.
The way the officers hold the people makes no sense. The hands are not bad overall but if you can do five pretty well then you wouldn’t suck at making the little kid’s hand- it’s wonky, if it were a person drawing you’d see a similar level of wonkiness on all hands not just that one. Also you would try to make things a bit more dramatic, if a person has this level of skill they probably can figure out gaze directions and enhance facial expressions a bit more to add to it.
I wonder what the prompts were. It reminds me of Shaun Tan
I think it is, look at the SS badges of the SS officer. And the artstyle in general is a tell.
indian guy has one eye looking up and the other eye looking down
ChatGPT has a limited set of styles it tends to use, so once you see it a few times the rest starts looking more like AI. Text is “correct”, but that font in particular really stands out to me. Very detailed styles like that are also rare if it’s not AI because it would be way more work than something simple, if someone was putting in that effort the concept would probably follow the visuals more rather than the other way around, the expressions of the characters and the directions they’re looking seem a little bit random like that aspect of it was an afterthought.
Overall I actually like AI but I don’t really like the way it’s used here, the visuals are too goofy for the serious topic to the point where it gives off a slightly sarcastic vibe, and they don’t add a lot to a concept that would probably otherwise be a screenshot of a tweet or something.
There are a lot of “you can tell by the way it is” type comments so I’ll be specific. Zoom in on the eyes of the Native American. Observe how the Union officer isn’t really gripping his arm with that hand. The little boy in the final panel is missing eye details.
There are some other telling details but those jump out right away.
The entire “art style” reeks of ai. Just look at those faces. It looks more like a filter than a drawing.
I think the uncanny look is caused by the generator being mostly trained on photos or 3d cgi instead of actual drawings.
Edit: There’s also intent, which the generator couldn’t handle at all. These peoples gazes are pointing at very weird directions and their expressions don’t make any sense for the scene, or for what the image is supposed to convey.
The sheriff looks like he’s being portrayed as tough, manly, and cool, while the native american is waiting for someone. The creepy SS officer is actually kind of okay, but the concentration camp victim is afraid of a scooby doo ghost. ICE dude is tired and waiting for his shift to end. The three people under him (why suddenly three?) have a “sad” expression that’s more cartoony than serious.
This didn’t ring my AI bells at all. Oof…
Same here. What are the signs here?
Look at the Nazi insignia. It’s all AI garbled noise.
Weird eyes on the native American. The soldier/sherif is holding his braid for some reason.
The SS officer has garbled ensignias.
The faces of the immigrants are nearly just copy pasted.
Right after commenting I did look for clues and I noticed these, but I doubt I would’ve checked if other comments weren’t pointing out it’s AI.
That boy… oh boy… his eyes.
I left another comment down there somewhere, but here’s something
The most obvious tell to me is that it looks more like a filter than a real drawing. So far all AI drawings look like this. There’s also details that I was able to pick apart:
- Why did the artist choose to draw everyone gazing into nowhere in particular, and not for example at each other?
- People have detailed faces, but their expressions seem unrelated to the message. Same applies to positions.
- The concentration camp victim is especially scared of something offscreen while the SS officer holding his shoulders, as if he was protecting this small man…?
- The artist chose to very clearly display the sheriff holding his fist in front of the native american, but for no apparent reason. Same for ICE.
- Why did the artist choose to use three victims in the last panel, making the composition weird and unbalanced.
Maybe it’s because of different amounts of exposure to AI stuff or something, but the only feeling I can get from this style and the empty stares is that something’s just off, and I hate looking at this so much.
It was the eyes that gave it away for me. They look, just, wrong.
AI generated?
Yep, all the faces are disjointed from each other and seem generated separately. No soul at all
I approve the message! The images are just reinforcement so I don’t really care if it’s AI. Not everyone can draw.
And what about the theft and abuse of creators that was required to create the AI in the first place? If we’re just going to steal shit, we don’t even need the AI, we can just steal shit from each other.
just STFU dude. nobody cares
Well, this image isn’t being used commercially so no one is making money off of it. I think that seems like a fair use of AI. Similar to how people make memes with images they stole from the Internet
Human artists train using other artists work. Every avenue of human endeavour is based on what came before.
My own default style shares similarities with Barbara Canepa and Rumiko Takahashi. Why? Because, as a teen, I used to copy their stuff, trying to “unlock” the parts of it that I like.
If I was to directly copy an image, and say it was my own, then that crosses over into stealing. But that’s not what has happened here. And unless you get very specific with the prompts, it’s not likely to happen.
Okay, but did you literally illegally download the material in the first place? Did you violate licenses that you obtained the material under? Do you intentionally imitate specific artists so that casual observers can’t tell the difference and then fill the entire space with more shitty art using that style than any human artist could ever product, such that the original artist who developed it no longer has control over that style and has their future income devastated?
It’s not the same thing and you’d have to be willfully ignorant by this point to think that it is. All the major LLMs are “fruit of the poisonous tree.” They were trained using stolen data that they were not entitled to use for those purposes. The artists SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID for their work training the AI.
nobody fucking cares. find a different thread to bitch about your made up problem. GO AWAY.
You can’t make me.
i can. it would just take some work.
I don’t agree with your take, sorry.
To say that an artist should have exclusive control over a style is dangerous.
Every time there is a big upheaval in an industry, it affects people’s jobs in that sector. Henry Ford’s investments in automation, put a lot of small car manufacturers in a tricky position. It also led to cars being affordable for most American households.
I’m not unsympathetic, in fact I’m more than a little aware that AI will be taking over my sector, the software development jobs, within a couple of years (and unlike art, I can’t see any market for “hand-crafted” code!).
But, the genie can’t be put back in the bottle. There’s no possible positive that comes from “calling out” AI art whenever you see it. It doesn’t help artists - if anything we’ve seen artists having to go out of their way proving their work isn’t AI.
I think it’ll be mainly using the AI to make the code, and then manually debugging it for a long while.
What if I told you that I trained my brain on copyrighted materials that I pirated from the Internet? I make games and I have for sure downloaded games I didn’t pay for and played them. I know I have used some of the mechanics from those games on my own. Am I a bad person?
What if I told you that you’re not software? What an absurd comparison.
I would download a car. Sorry bro.
Oh damn. Well let me live in your house rent free. Yall pay for my food and anything I want then
What? Who’s trying you love in your house?
Maybe we wouldn’t have millions of people trying to live here if we hadn’t systematically destabilized half of latin america. We’re reaping what we’ve sown.
Fuck off with this fascist apologia.
