Anyone have a link to the source
Edit: I need this for a argument I’m currently having
I googled but could not find source. I only found more memes based on this graph. Which isn’t to say it’s fake, could simply be in some research paper hidden away under a paywall. 15k sample is a very big study though.
The graph alone is highly problematic to make any argument though as it doesn’t specify other critical axis such as age which would highly change the meaning of this graph. The older you are, T levels fall, but your IQ increases. So age alone can potentially explain the phenomenon we’re seeing here.
My attempt to find the graph only resulted in many counter points, however.
- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9845018/ looked at only young men and women, so the age no longer becomes an issue. But among young men, higher T is advantageous. I can only read the abstract without paying. But does outline three conclusions there.
- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15878571/ studied only 5 year old children. Which again showed a positive relationship between T and intelligence in boys.
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/030645309190018O this study on “normal” men and women, though not sure how they define normal, showed a negative relationship. But this once again doesn’t define age in their study. Which continues with my previous point that simply older men will have lower T but higher IQ.
- Prenatal exposure to higher T also raised intelligence here: https://psychcentral.com/news/2011/03/14/testosterone-hormone-linked-to-higher-iq
You are are gift. Thanks for all the links!
logically, I’m horny
Pon farr.
Apparently Plato got his name because his chest was like plate armor.
The Ancient Greeks believed that you had to exercise the body and mind so that checks out
That’s just Richard Feynman.
So, because women have a much lower content of Testosterone, we can conclude that there are much more stupid than men or what does this silly correlation wants to tell us???
women have a much lower content of Testosterone, we can conclude that there are much more stupid than men
This poster is High T. Ask me how I can tell.
Understand the meaning of question marks, you do not? Much to learn, little Padawan, you still have.
The only thing this graph shows is that average people are average. This graph essentially shows no -> very weak correlation between testosterone levels and IQ. in fact I would say this graph argues that correlating testosterone levels with IQ is essentially flawed. However because of the way the data is represented it makes it look as though there might be a correlation.
AFAIR the R2 is (almost) equal to rho in the Pearson correlation. I just see two variables, a linear fit from - possibly - an OLS. The small R2 is likely due to the outlier (though a single outlier by this mass of points raises my eyebrows as the MSE (or take the RSME) won’t be affected as such by a single point when there are 15’000 points centered closely around an estimate, but CCV would tell) and R2 says nothing about the p-value, which is determined by the amount of information in a system/about variables, and hence likely way below 0.05.
This relationship aka in this case correlation says pretty much nothing about real world, because IQ is (possibly) not only determined by IQ, but way many other factors. The picture is utterly simplified. It is similar to the relationship between the number of babies and the number of storks.
It’s about men but your takeaway would be that women are smarter because as IQ goes up, Testosterone goes down
this graph very clearly states it’s only related to men and has nothing to do with women at all. the only thing it shows is that the majority of men have average intelligence and average testosterone levels. R2=0.19 value means only 19% of the variation in testosterone levels can be explained by IQ, leaving 81% unexplained. This is a very weak relationship, bordering on statistical noise.
I wonder why they chose IQ as the independent variable? Surely it would be the other way around.
The thing about very superficial analysis like this is you can just go fishing for correlations and come back with something meaningless but publishable.
That exploitation of the scientific system is not what’s happening here. This is naive maybe, but not malicious, and it seems valid and without unwanted motives.
Absolutely right. Sorry.
His takeaway is that women are as smart as men (as in the IQ is the same) but because men have higher testosterone holding them back men are actually smarter than women. What I think he’s actually trying to say is that he’s a high testosterone misogynist.
If that is someones takeaway they are wrong. This chart essentially shows that these things are not actually correlated.
Look. I don’t make the rules of misogyny. You want things to make sense, you need to look elsewhere.
Your conclusion is based on deduction which in many occasions - like this one - leads to false conclusions. Try again.
Wait? So the other person isn’t being misogynistic? I’m lost.
All in your head, it is. The answer to your question, by you, lies.
Maybe this guy? https://youtu.be/bLHL75H_VEM
username checks out
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Vandal Savage basically.
“YEAH, QUANTUM MECHANICS, BITCH! GARGLE MY QUARKS! ONE IS UP AND ONE IS DOWN SO THEY DON’T COLLIDE!”
*bench presses quantum computer in lab coat, but it is open to show off his abs.
EXPLOSIONS!!!??!
That’s a bonafide Boltzmann brain.
A real self-made man
Btw is this real? I thought there was no conclusive data on testosterone and inteligence being related. Most sources say that its the change which matters(meaning that if you start taking it) and not the baseline except in the extremes.
It probably lacks correction for age…
Yessir, that’s the saucer what took muh cousin Darryl.
A very smart and inpatient person who is on roids
I mean I’ve seen the guy’s videos.
That dot? It’s Styro Pyro.
I just said the same thing in another comment. This has to be his dot based on those numbers he said.
I know that guy, he’s sound.
