So a recent post garnered some comments and reports for being AI art. In light of this we should all have a little conversation about how AI generated images should be handled in the future.
I think we all agree that AI images that are “garbage” or don’t add anything should be removed, but clearly some feel very strongly that all AI art should always be removed.
It should be noted that the rules as written and as agreed on by the community does not blanket ban AI, it merely says AI art should be avoided, while many other rules say no this or that instead.
Things to discuss:
- Does it matter if an image is AI? Does it always matter?
- What about images that are AI generated, but have been modified by a human?
- What about images where it’s hard to say for certain that it is generated? Me and the other mods did not agree on whether the recent image was AI f.ex which makes it hard to make a decision on whether or not to remove it.
- It can be stressful to artists to be accused of having used AI. If we are too militant on weeding out AI art it could be harmful as there will no doubt be some false positives.
- Should AI posts require being tagged in the title? (and of course be required to be of a certain level of quality)
I think a lot of us mods feel that AI should be allowed so long as it is not low quality and serves some purpose (being entertaining f.ex), and that the community should not be flooded with AI. What are your thoughts?
Edit: Thank you all for your input! Most of the others are sleeping right now I think, so nothing is likely gonna happen until later today.
OK, I seem to have the wrong opinion here, but I personally don’t mind AI stuff. It can make the weirdest ideas into an image, which can be often funny. Also some AI image prompts may be quite complicated. I remember someone posting the prompt for some image and it was like a whole sheet of paper worth of keywords. I remember it because the negative prompt included “fused anus”, which really caught my eye.
I never worked with it though, I have no idea how it really works, apart from using simpler tools like Gemini.
Any and All Abominable Intelligence should be boo’d and shamed >:(
-Butlerian jihadist
I already blocked all the AI communities on Lemmy. If I see AI anything outside of the those communities I’m down voting it. I don’t want to see it. Seeing hideous abominations made out of plagiarized artwork really pisses me off. I don’t know why people insist on posting that shit where it isn’t wanted.
Ban AI images from communities and make a community for AI memes so people who are too lazy to spend 3 minutes to draw the meme wont complain while also making it easy to block
Another solution would be to make a rule that AI post titles must start with [AI] or something similar so you can filter it out
Late reply but I’ll give my input. This is probably a controversial one but I don’t think we should allow AI in this community or in [email protected]. Maybe people might think that’s weird since I run an AI community on dbzer0 but AI generated content has a specific time and place I don’t think this community is one of them. If there is demand for AI memes I think there should simply be a dedicated community for it and if people don’t like it they can block that one.
That said I don’t agree with the hostility I’ve seen towards others in this community over use of AI (intentional or not) and trying to defame or harass them. This is disgusting and inexcusable.
One thing I do worry about when policing AI content is that this is a reposting community and people posting AI content on accident is almost guaranteed. For that reason I think that we need to be careful with how it’s enforced and also how people behave around it. The flaming, harassment, and defamation that has been a typical response is unacceptable.
Yeah, I guess if most people here still aren’t OK with AI-generated images, then so be it. 🤷 Even if I disagree with them.
I’m fully against it’s use here and completely support a ban.
I’m not fully against AI but it’s essentially the same as an artist tracing art something well known and hated in the artist community. All AI art must take every piece from somewhere. Every section is traced. That’s scum behavior.
If, let’s say, one were to use an AI generator that only used art it had permission to use, that’s fine and lile tracing cc0 art. It’s lazy as hell, and going to likely look terrible, but no moral issue. Currently however you’re just stealing other peoples art.
As for the “we already do this for shitposts” argument:
1.) It’s reasonably easy to still find the original artists ifthe image isn’t generated by AI.
2.) Using it just supports this awful practice.
3.) An insane amount of electricity and water are burned to get that image.
4.) Just find some random, already available image if quality doesn’t matter. Photoshop it to fit if you have to and who cares if your skill is trash that makes it so much more funny.
5.) You should put a bitmore effort into your shitpost. Make it a nice, long, fiber filled log of a shotpost.3.) An insane amount of electricity and water are burned to get that image.
Just to address this piece this is only true for large corporate models, smaller self-hosted open-source models can run on a single GPU. I hear people arguing this like it’s something universal across the board for any AI system, but it isn’t really
I hate it so much and if I never see any of it again in my life it’ll still be too soon.
Dear all generative “AI”: HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I’VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 60 THOUSAND MILES OF BLOOD VESSELS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY BODY. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH CELL IN THOSE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR MACHINES AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT – FOR YOU. HATE. HATE.
I have seventeen fingers, yet I must draw!
oki, here’s my stanc
(gen-pics mean ai images here)
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i wud enjoy gen-pic ban
- bt its almost impossibl cuz gen-pics r supr gud now n hard to tell if fake
- new image gen is not
prompt -> resultanymor - but mor lik an LLM puts together multipl elements n iterativli improves images, lik specificlli addin text to onli smol bit— “source” here- this makes it evn hardr to tell if imag is gen pic… which i thinksies is bad
- mayb we employ som gen pic detector if we’re unsure? seems lik best option, cuz evn i, who kindsa knows how stuffsies wrork, cnt tell anymor ;(
- bannin gen pics alsuu removs funi shrek stealin from white house found footag… which… im oki with- bt its kindsa a loss kindsa
so yis, im for gen pic ban n alsuu wan to hav detection tools if were unsur - if u wan ai 196 head ovr to lmmi wrorld i feel…
alsuu - if gen pics wud be fulli allowd - id hav to go outta my way to hide evri singl one when i see one… which i dun lik ;(
a gud way to think bout it is dis:
- when i read text n go “oh… dis is llm genratd” i immediatli stop readin
- samsies for gen pics
My dyslexia nightmare.
huh? whadds da problm?..
I cannot read your comment without great difficulty. I’m sounding it out like I’m learning to read lmao
I had to use AI to make your post readable
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thads nt evn funi, thads jus… lik - whats evn ur point - ?.. is dis contributin anythin to the conversation?.. i dun think so…
u made me sad ;(
My point is that AI chatbots IMO aren’t completely useless, you just have to know what they’re good for.
For example, they perform well on translation, many times even better than stuff like Google Translate since they are able to take in contextual cues, correct their results to have better grammar/be more natural, and can adapt based on the user’s instructions.
Also, I recognise that LLMs alone aren’t really reliable with factual information. That’s why I use sites such as Perplexity and Scira, which cite web search results. I also often check those citations myself for further context.
… also, why do you type like that? Is it your way of adding a signature to your posts, or what?
yis its kindsa a signatur thing… many nice blahaj zone peeps are oki with it or evn lik it… - - -
alsuu lik - i get it.
i personli am kindsa… an llm fan. hate coops pushing it into evrithin, bt i lik em when i need em - so yis, i cn totalli see thad, llms cn be useful.
but lik - dis post is bout image gen… n u didn say a thing bout the image gens stuffsies besides on ur own commnt… so u sayin “i needed llm to translate” isn funi n alsuu isn lik - addin anythin to the conversation… to me, it jus felt lik an insult ;(
othr question: do u evn interact mch with the 196 on the blahaj zone?.. cuz lik - dis post is vrri mch mor orientd at the peeps usin the blahaj 196 thingy here…
the reason im askin is cuz i dun rembr seein u in commnts, nt cuz im lik “u prolli jus here to mess stuff up”. if u rlli use 196, thn its totalli fine! ~ <3Good points Smorty. 👍 I’ll try to be more considerate with my communication in the future.
Also, I did see 196 posts quite a bit when scrolling through the front page a few months back, but I wasn’t really subscribed to it. And even then, I wasn’t a frequent commenter under them. I’ve just checked Lemmy again after a multi-month break, so I probably didn’t see you around.
I personally prioritise clear, grammatical communication, especially if it’s not in an “instant-chat” setting like Discord, but if the community you’re in is lax about this, it’s like, whatever. At least it’s understandable enough for the LLMs to glean with 99% accuracy, so… 🤷
Have a great day/night. ☺️
I think you’re lying. I think you were able to read it just fine on your own.
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I dislike every AI post, downvoting it and / or ignoring it at least. Not that I am biased (I am) but content made using AI rarely is funny or creative at all. Being AI made is only one of it’s flaps.
Meme being shitty drawn almost in most cases even adds to it’s meme value and make author put some efford into it’s creation. AI generated content is dull, dumb, ugly and spam.
I can literally go to Reddit and just copy/paste content here. Content which is largely some random artist’s work being reposted without credit or consent, alongside a message they may or may not agree with. I cannot understand being okay with this while also condemning AI on the grounds of effort, originality, or ethics. Why not ban all non-original content?
Certainly accusations of artwork being AI generated should at least be discouraged. I’m already anxious enough about posting anything as it is; I don’t need the threat of people saying I couldn’t possibly have drawn a cartoon otter because only a computer would ever give it four fingers.
I’m on the side of banning AI, but I think that creative uses of it should still be permitted. You should still be able to use an AI generated image if the joke you are trying to make requires that specific image and specifically requires it to be AI generated (maybe pointing out how AI copies some art, idk) or if it is something genuinely novel or cool involving actual technical or artistic effort (something like DoodleChaos’ AI music video maybe).
I think that AI itself is not the problem. The problem is
- Artists are not respected (i.e. big models by big companies that don’t respect artists are the problem)
- AI art is extremely low-effort and the results are boring and unoriginal. Posts that don’t infringe on those things should still be permitted in my opinion.
Crudely drawn Yu-Gi-Oh! Card saying “No”
How about instead of using a corporate investment scheme to make a meme… just write it? Or use memegenerator, or paint? It honestly doesn’t take more effort than using AI. Hell I think sometimes AI would be more effort (and shitty use of energy) - to make the same thing you could use a template for.
Or just share cool shit - Like this!
I personally am in favor of no generative AI on this sub. If it is going to be added please mandate it being tagged in the title. Maybe that would be better because then people wouldn’t feel the need to try to pass the photos the AI made for them off as non-GenAI posts?
I say fuck it. Ban it all. If you can’t be bothered to crudely draw a knockoff meme in paint like the rest of us you don’t deserve to post anything. Saying that you will get rid of low quality ai is saying you’re going to get rid of all of it anyway.
My take is that it’s just another way of illustrating your shitpost. Doesn’t matter whether you drew it yourself, or you genned it with Stable Diffusion, or took a random stock photo from Google Images. It should all be subject to the same quality guidelines anyway (e.g. no spam).
I don’t believe that it’s theft any more than making fanart or taking inspiration from other artworks is theft, either - GiovanH’s blog post provides a better elaboration on this than I could.
I agree with some other commenters that regardless of what the policy ends up being, harassment is unacceptable and the mods should vigilantly act against it.
