Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg’s plan to spend $20 million to primary older Democratic incumbents in Congress has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.
“Fighting Democrats might get likes online, but it’s not what restores majorities,” she added.
There are currently 2 vacant seats in Congress, which won’t be filled until the fall, left empty by Democrats who died in office. We’re not going to restore majorities by electing people who keep dropping dead.
Everyone over 60 years old should be kicked the fuck out of the party and way be made for younger people who have to actually live in the fucking world being created by them.
They should have done this years ago. This opens the party to get republicans playing democrats to take over that party. We have seen this with at least 10 democrats constantly voting with republicans or a democrat completely switching parties during their term. Split the damn party or go home.
Mistake for who? Not a mistake for me, not a mistake tactically considering the policy and popularity polling, not a mistake when you consider that these people have been suppressing popular and well polling progressive policies and candidates for decades and still managed to lose the presidency and both houses to a goddamn moron…
All of this shit, all of these “reasons” they list in opposition to Hogg’s initiative, they are all bullshit. Bullshit and deflections and distractions from the fact that they are concerned exclusively about the bottom line for their wealthy benefactors, and about their own as well. The irony that is not lost on anyone is that they are the assholes who did this to us in the first place, and would you look at that, Donald Trump is about to hand them a tax cut.
They’re really upset about losing their expense accounts. Sure they get a salary, but every single one of them has an expense account that dwarfs their salary.
Both sides, the old guard is useless but he’s massively anti 2A, which is also not helpful right now.
Both sides, the old guard is useless but
but here comes the excuse…
he’s massively anti 2A, which is also not helpful right now.
How convenient!
Only a fool would willingly disarm with fascist trying to take absolute power
Only a fool would be relying on registered firearms with fascists trying to take absolute power.
Sure. It’s not because he’s trying to push the party to the left. It’s because the party has suddenly come around to being single-issue voters who agree with republicans on yet another issue, this time guns.
Before that, it was genocide, immigration, and trans people. What will we agree with republicans on next?
Na the fascists are also going to need to get rid of the 2A soon. They don’t need headlines like “ICE impersonator shot by citizen while conducting an extra judicial abduction”
You can’t put that genie back in the bottle on any reasonable time scale, there’s more guns than people in the US, and half of them are basically invisible to authorities.
i know right. Where my no step snek libertarians in the face of tyranny tho?
Begging for government contracts.
Where was the outrage when AIPAC dropped money bombs on progressive primaries to silence opposition against Israel and the Genocide of Palestinians?
The DNC is dead to most USians, the party leadership just refuses to acknowledge it even when their candidates and strategies lose to literal outright fascists.
No, this is the bare minimum I will accept in order to not consider the DNC my enemy.
Burn it down.
Also, age isn’t the problem, the problem is money and a rigid party ideology.
Where was the outrage when AIPAC dropped money bombs on progressive primaries to silence opposition against Israel and the Genocide of Palestinians?
Well when people called it out, Reddit and Lemmy said anyone who saw this was:
- Antisemitic for not wanting murder
- A Tankie/Russian Bot
- Somehow wanting Trump to win by having better candidate to win against Trump
- Sore losers who didn’t like a “fair” election like Trump
- A Bernie bro who hates $THING
If you look at the lemmy.world modlog, so many people calling out this were removed and banned, and then the userbase acted dumbfounded when the legitimate users were “quiet” after being banned, so it verified their bias of “everyone who disagrees with what my favorite political tells me is a bot/troll”.
I agree, I lost a huge amount of respect for the people running and moderating lemmy.world after dealing with their reactions to people simply upset that a genocide is happening.
I had an interaction with one of their mods and it was very disappointing to see them so confidently on the side of silencing voices speaking up about genocide.
Sometimes I get the feeling lemmy.world is run by a bunch of centrists who’s hobby it is to undermine leftism because they are afraid of leftwing beliefs exactly the way pathetic conservatives are, and it makes it hard to take the entire community seriously.
Some of the prominent very active low effort posters like Pugjesus have absolutely trash views when you actually get into a conversation about their beliefs.
I had an interaction with one of their mods and it was very disappointing to see them so confidently on the side of silencing voices speaking up about genocide.
Was it JeffW or JordanLund? Both of those dudes can’t help defend genocide. Especially JL, he openly hates Black Lives Matter.
Sometimes I get the feeling lemmy.world is run by a bunch of centrists who’s hobby it is to undermine leftism because they are afraid of leftwing beliefs exactly the way pathetic conservatives are, and it makes it hard to take the entire community seriously.
And they call us the Russian Psyop/bot. I’ve had so many people say things like “I’m a leftist, but [defending the most conservative positions possible].” At least .ml is honest in their intentions.
Some of the prominent very active low effort posters like Pugjesus have absolutely trash views when you actually get into a conversation about their beliefs.
And he’s so fucking smug! He will defend his trash opinions, say he’s the smartest one in the room, and then act like he’s the victim when he says something like “I don’t think you should ally with these people when ICE comes knocking” or “I don’t have to respect the pronouns of people I don’t like.”
Lemmy.world is a majority of my blocklist. I like a handful of users from it. But the mods and admins have cultivated a inverted MAGA mentalitt around themselves. Anytime you critize their favorite thing, you’ll be banned and blocked. And then they claim it’s evil when .ml does the exact same thing.
On top of everything above, the snark against any criticism of us foreign policy, the DNC, or neo/liberalism has been getting really gross. Completely overriding any genuine discussions or nuance about the topics.
I got perma banned by pugjesus on one of his comms for defending the blowback podcast and the journalists who created it
I’m definitely thinking about switching instances
That sounds like PugJesus and transphobia.world. “Vaguely leftist” my ass.
Im gonna agree and disagree at the same time. Money and party ideology are absolutely problems within our political systems, BUT age is also a huuuge problem. Its in my opinion if we had a majority of the dem party under 50 we would have seen such a better fight against this fascist bullshit. Hell even a republican party thats led by a significantly younger majority may have even helped to prevent this as well.
I dunno, Oregon’s reps are pretty old and trying to fight the good fight.
Also, age isn’t the problem, the problem is money and a rigid party ideology.
They’re not exactly the same thing, but they’re certainly correlated.
Dem insiders just don’t have the same values as their erstwhile voters
Dem insiders are criminally corrupt scabs who are largely to blame for fascism.
It’s clear Democrats aren’t interested in winning. Being a anti gun zealot is not going to win elections in the USA.
Democrats will not fight for me and my rights even in the best of times, so i would never in a trillion fucking years be okay with disarming. My body my choice in how I defend myself.
Six out of ten Americans favor stricter gun laws. Every year we lose the equivalent to a war in lives to gun violence. It is not just lives lost either. Millions of Americans live their lives in fear due to gun violence. Almost 60 percent of Americans know someone lost to gun violence.
Over 5 Million women are threatened by guns every year and we lose more children to gun deaths than the rest of the world combined. Guns are a cancer on our society.
We’ve been past the fume stage for a fucking while
Even the complaints against Hogg are just virtue signaling.
No action. Ever.
They are complicit.
This guy would have been 8 years old when obama was elected seriously I can’t get over that. He’s the Vice chair of DNC? I ran a company at 25, but i was not ready for that kind of leadership position. I learned so much between 25-30. Putting a fucking kid incharge of the DNC based on what? Who is this guy and what are his qualifications for this position?
Hogg’s too young! Bernie’s too old! AOC is a woman!
What’s the next excuse for why the party opposes only its left?
I came to the conclusion 2 hours ago that the problem with this country is not the government, but the two parties holding it hostage. I envision a country where we form 2-3 new parties who can represent their constituents and protect the Constitution. I think Dems are traitors too. I think I would vote for a party that was lead by AoC and guided by Bernie. Idk who hogg is but ya i have serious questions about a 25 year olds understanding of our country and it’s issues. I think if he’s vice chair of the DNC i should know more about him and his qualifications to chose candidates? Don’t you beleive in transparent democracy?
With how fast the Democrats became Republicans, I’m sure they’ll start complaining about food stamps going to illegals soon
His qualifications are wanting a change in direction when the status quo isn’t working. What the hell is the point of keeping geriatric corrupt asshole in charge of the DNC when they would rather lose to Trump than allow a progressive to win? What has all their supposed wisdom wrought?
Wanting change isn’t a qualification. That basically includes every human on the planet. Does he have the education and the experience to be deciding the future leaders of the country. Does he understand the issues we face domestically and abroad? I guess im trying to get a better feel for how this young mans wisdom and strategy will benefit me, a democratic voter since 2008…
I’m totally down with primarying everyone. I’m also ready to see the older fuckers retire into consulting positions. I value their wisdom and experience, I do not value their inputs into our democracy. In short I am with you.
However this all reeks of populism, so I’d like to know which candidates we are spending money on. I also think that spending money campaigning against friendly seats is not a wise use of money in this time. Im sure those reasources could be better spent on common cause. This feels a bit like a witch hunt. Happy to see a long string of qualified candidates and be wrong tho!
LO AND BEHOLD M’LORD.
I was just talking about how the dems are ineffective and have no strategy, and here’s another one to add to my list of sources.
How can you say democrats don’t do anything?
God the 2nd pic is cringe.
Why this is not brought up every other day whenever Schumer or Pelosi think they are out of touch, I will never know.
First picture is Democrat Lollypop Guild
Bet they do more against primary challengers than they ever have or ever will against fascists.
Might as well make a bet if the sun will rise tomorrow.
If they fought against fascists like they do to progressives, Trump wouldn’t have had any chance at even the nomination in 2016.
“We can’t upset the fascists! We have to think of decorum!”
I agree with the older Dems, but not for their reasons.
No, we should not support the candidates that Hogg supports. Because Hogg is very opposed to 2A rights, and ipso facto any candidate that he supports will also be opposed to 2A rights. And if you think that we’re gonna just vote our way out of this, I’ve got some very, very bad news for you.
Primary the old fucks with young leftists (hopefully ones that actually understand economics and tax policy)? Absolutely! Primary them with ones that ideologically aligned with Hogg? No.
Once they’re primaried, people can vote for whoever is the better candidate.
I’m really tired of voting for better candidates that are in favor of reproductive rights, and LGBTQ+ rights, that want religion out of politics, that support genuinely free speech, and then also want to eliminate 2A rights. We’re already seeing what 75 years of libs and progressives working to disarm themselves has done, and the result is that ICE agents aren’t getting gunned down in the streets when they’re kidnapping people, and the fash are free to do whatever the fuck they want with zero fear of consequences.
That was my gut instinct too, who is this kid, how did he get a vice chair position, and ya who are these young candidates and do they understand global economics, international relations, military. What roles in congressional comittees will they be qualified for. I’m tired of seeing morons overseeing nukes. Thats gotta stop.
He survived a school shooting. I think he has good reasons for wanting gun control. Although personally I agree that citizens need to be armed against our fascist state.
Most people are for gun control, branding yourself as anti 2A doesn’t really inspire hope that he can cross the aisle. It doesn’t have to be a toxic issue but it’s delicate. After checking the wiki he seems like he’s got some qualification. Left some room to be desired but I’ll judge the man by his work.
Most people are for gun control
There’s a big problem with that.
Right now, the majority of people in the US are in favor of deporting all undocumented immigrants. Right now, the overwhelming majority of people are opposed to transgender rights (e.g., using bathrooms that correspond to their gender, participating in sports, having access to gender-affirming care, and so on). Going back to the late 80s/early 90s, most people would not have believed that Satanists had the right to free exercise of their religion (and many people still don’t today). If you go back 75 years, the majority of the country believed that ‘separate but equal’ was entirely reasonable; sure, let those negroes have rights, but letting them live in our neighborhoods, go to our schools, get married to our women…? Absolutely not!
This is what is referred to as “the tyranny of the majority”.
The whole purpose of the bill of rights is that they are RIGHTS, and not intended to be something that is up for a popular vote. All gun control is intended to prevent people from exercising their right to keep and bear arms.
You’re going to have to share your data because it conflicts with mine. I don’t think you understand what a majority is. Technically it would be 175 million people to form a majority in the USA. We live in an oligarchy, that’s tyranny of the majority by a minority. A majority of Americans do not vote.
A majority of the people in the US are probably unaware of the recent deportations. A majority of us lack reading comprehension skills above the 6th grade level. A majority of us don’t understand the 3 branches of government. I can share my data, but I’d like to see yours first
Here’s one source on immigrations, although the numbers are slipping as the cases of illegal and wrongful deportations continue to make headlines. Even with that, Americans are fairly even split. Here’s a solid source on transgender policy; while some things that are positive for transgender people have broad support, some things that are unequivocally bad–like preventing minors from accessing gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers, bathroom bills, etc.–have net +10 and greater support. (+31 on only allowing people to play sports that correspond to the gender they were assigned to at birth means that it’s about a 65/35 split, with 65% in favor of preventing transwomen from participating in womens’ sports.)
I don’t want people who will cross the aisle. I want people who will treat the fascists like the existential threat they are.
Bro we can’t even cross the aisle to independents who voted for Clinton in 2016. Im not talking about the fascists.
I agree everyone on the left should be working together, but that’s not what “crossing the aisle” means.
Well you guys can keep demonizing the whole entire republican party, and then make plans for the 78 Million trump voters and 30 million trump die hards. I still believe that there is a breaking point where republican congress people can be convinced by their local populations to do the right thing and impeach trump and purge MAGA from government. We only need to focus on a couple dozen districts. We don’t need to organize 30 million protestors, we need to organize about 10 million in the right districts. I don’t care if the people carry them out of office by force, but i me protesting in a democratic district does nothing to remove that southern congressman who’s in violation of his oath.
Crossing the aisle means getting biparsan votes to do the right thing and govern with integrity.
Hogg is 100% right and they are just whining like babies when they should be doing their effing jobs.
Take traitor Jeffries’s request to Justice Democrats seriously. Unseat that piece of shit while he’s minority leader.
Let them pound sand. These geriatric bastards are incapable of adapting to the malevolence currently destroying everything. We need somebody willing to punch these conservative bastards’ teeth down their throats.
