If death weren’t a thing, I suppose that that pitching someone into lava or something like that would be pretty bad then.
Only if you’re a pussy and can’t take a few million years trapped in the earth’s crust.
This one gets more complicated the longer I think about it.
My first pass was to imagine humans just as we are aside from the ability to die. Many things about how humans are don’t make sense without death though. Pain, for example likely evolved to cause organisms to avoid stimuli that could lead to their death. Fear largely derives from the anticipation of pain. Would true immortals have either? I imagine the psychology of such creatures would be vastly different from our own.
There’s also the question of what form the immortality takes. If it’s possible to destroy someone’s physical body, but their soul can immediately manifest a new one, and pain doesn’t exist, then doing so is just an inconvenience. If bodies are impervious to any damage or alteration, a large category of crimes vanishes.
It would probably come down to some sort of long-term imposition on the freedom of others, but it’s really hard to guess what that would look like.
No death? As in you can’t die from old age or you can’t die no matter what happens to you e.g you’re throw into the sun, you don’t die? Or your physical body can die but that just means your game is over in one universe and you can move into the next, and so on?
If being thrown into the sun can’t kill you, then you’re invulnerable and torture can’t be a thing. You could be tossed into deep space and not hit anything for a million years, but you could learn how to cope after a few years and make your brain a retreat of imagination.
If it’s just games all the way up into eternity, being the game creator and making pain exist is an unforgiveable crime.
If being thrown into the sun can’t kill you, then you’re invulnerable and torture can’t be a thing.
I disagree. there several forms of torture that don’t involve killing you
How do you hurt somebody who is invulnerable and doesn’t need to breathe? How do you torture somebody who can survive being crushed by the sun? Tickles?
I don’t think any of those mean they don’t feel pain. Or do we assume that instead of flash and bones they are made of steel or another metal?
op didn’t mention invulnerability, though, just that they couldn’t die. if we agree that the question is about a human, we know there are several ways to torture without causing physical harm (e. g. waterboarding, or doing something with those who you care for), but physical harm also does not mean death in many cases
if we don’t agree that the personis a human, or even that they are not a living being, I don’t know what to say but I think the point of the question was lost
The question posits that there is no death. If there is no death, then being thrown into the sun doesn’t kill a human. If you can come up with an explanation for that that doesn’t involve invulnerability, be my guest.
Because they get their invulnerability from rapid regeneration.
Their flesh still burns, their bones still break, but they heal quickly, just to be burned and broken again.
This question implies death is the worst that could happen to you.
Personally, I don’t see it that way. There’s a lot more hurtful things than death.
Death is one occurrence, with no pain in the death itself, and “only” secondary pain in those left behind.
There’s a lot more hurtful and lasting pain you can inflict, physically and psychologically, and without a definite endpoint.
Fundamentally, the basis for thinking death is the “worst” is that so long as you’re alive you can still experience good things, regardless of your past, and you retain the capacity to heal in different ways.
Death is the one thing you’re not coming back from to find a new way to live.
In my opinion killing is pretty bad but there are other crimes that can be worse, so not sure what point you are trying to make
Death doesn’t mean killing. You can die by an accident (falling off a ladder). You can die from a heart attack. Death just means dying.
Then even more to my point. What difference would it make?
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Stealing from musk.
Any sex related crime.
Why?
Edit: why would it be worse than when death is a thing? And why would it the “most” unforgivable?
Becauae that shit stays with you… and if you can’t die, you have to live with it for an eternity.
You don’t think after 1000 years it’ll still be with you? After 1 million? 1 billion?
Maybe? You’re thinking about it as a lone singular event and not the trauma that stays with you and causes worse decisions. Maybe it’s a million years downward spiral that you can’t resolve.
The person could forget it after 1k years. They could go to therapy for a 100k years and recover. They could enact vengeance and see it as closing the chapter on it. You can’t claim to know as you haven’t and probably won’t live 1k years or more.
Okay. A couple things. I didn’t “claim to know.” I guessed. That’s what that “Maybe?” was for. I know we are talking about it in theory. You have a theory that after a set number years, let’s say 1k, that a person would be able to recognize that they need help and get it. Just because you live for a long time doesn’t mean you grow as a person.
I did laugh when you stated that I can’t know “as you haven’t and probably won’t live 1k years or more.” 😂 Do you not see how you are claiming to know what will happen even though you also haven’t and probably won’t live 1k years or more?
My theory is that they could forget, not would.
How does “probably” translate to “I know” for you?
Torture. The main thing about torture is to make sure they don’t die while suffering the pain.
I cant imagine what would be the most heinous torture in a world like this. Maybe casually, “accidentally”, stepping on the same person’s toe ever other day for like one or two million years.
Burying someone alive. Or trapping their feet in cement shoes and throwing them into the ocean.
Torture, kidnapping.
Not putting your shopping carts back.
Permanent mutilation
Burying people alive
Assuming that immortality only applies to humans, environmental destruction would be a big one.
People care more about pollution and climate change when they know they’ll be around to face the consequences.
