I thought it’d be a pain but installing programs through the terminal is actually so nice, I never would have expected it
It’s insane to me that Windows still doesn’t have a proper package manager. When you need to upgrade a program you’re expected to go to their website and download the latest version, or update it with its own update mechanism.
At the same time if there’s a software I don’t use often I’m not wasting my time updating it every time I update everything else. So for example I haven’t played a game on the Ubisoft launcher in about a year, next time I do it will update to the current version from last year’s version and that will be it.
i mean its just a matter that app makers avoid the windows store. the only companies i recall I remotely use on the windows store are nvidias control panel (which is ironically being depricated for nvidia app and updates itself).
companies just don’t want to use the windows store aome because of the fear at some point if microsoft wants to take a cut of profits, they could strong arm it like android/ios/game console OS. Linux has the advantage that people will trust that repositories wont be paid.
They do, several third party options and of course the Microsoft store too. It’s the users who are stuck in their old ways, which ironically is the harder way. Weird.
I kind of like install wizards and black and white command console, but that’s just me.
I’d use the terminal more if it had better auto suggestions, and allowed me to treat the text like any normal text editor, instead of having to learn keyboard shortcuts just to basic text manipulation. So far Warp terminal is the best option I’ve found
I’m getting ready to change one of my Ubuntu machines over to Mint, as the next iteration of Ubuntu requires more RAM. While I’ve done these changes many times, I’ve never quite understood the deal with setting up the partitions.
I had the exact same experience when I first tried Linux. But now when I am evily forced into using Windows and HATE it any other way. Also I despise the windows terminal now (PowerShell & CMD).
Just wait when you try AUR on arch systems. I was long time ubuntu based user but once I tasted rolling release and AUR I don’t want to go back.
I was a Nobara user and I’ve gone back. Too many updates that Bork the DE/bootloader (TBF it’s not as maintained as AUR) As for fedora… Random NVidia update borked the system too… But I’m resigned as my GPU being cursed rather than the distro being the isue
It is going to make to want to go back
Someday
When you least expect it, and have a deadline
That happened to me few times, once GPU driver update, once grub update, both relatively easy to fix by searching the error on Endeavour forums and reading their official updates. And both of these issues was me not reading the update notes.
And when I was once forced to reinstall it was matter of an hour at most to have PC with working environment up and running, thanks to separate home mount and keeping all my installation notes in one place.
But one can do that with Ubuntu too.
I learnt one lesson from my manny distro-hopping sessions in the last 12 years, allways separate home from system amd keep all essential installation scripts and files in one place.
For me that day was yesterday. Ran an update. Next bootup got a black screen.
Saw it as a sign that it’s time to distro hop again lol
I know the feeling! I’ve been happily rolling with opensuse tumbleweed for almost a year now. Btrfs rollback is a life saver (2 times). Less than 5 minutes for a rollback. Other than that, pretty solid…
Snapper is the shit
The Windows terminal has some very good commands. ‘ssh username@server’ can log you right into a Linux machine!
I setup open SSH on windows so you can swing it both ways!
My main gripe is it runs cmd.exe and I gotta powershell to jump into that. If you auto powershell it doesn’t work right.
Times like this make me miss reddit gold
Nope.
Lemmy Lemon 🍋?
Just make a $2 donation to their host. Much better than reddit gold.
Just donate $5 to your instance or the lemmy devs.
Also, updates.
“hey computer! Update!”
“Sure thing, here is a list of 57 packages I will update, y/n?”
“y”
“ok… done!”
👌
Removed by mod
Does it also update Firefox and Discord and the OS and my graphics card drivers and everything else?
Yes.
But how do Linux users handle the crippling loneliness of their operating system not pestering them with ads on every update? How else can you know if your computer loves you? Where is the warmth of the corporate embrace?
I have been harmed by this web page in a way that is too sacred to recover from. Dying now.
They discontinued that native app and have a kinda broken pwa. But open-source community delivers.
I couldn’t imagine taking on the task of repackaging the Teams web client and signing up to fight Microsoft’s continual futzing around with things…
They’d be better off delivering a warm turd through your open window.
Teams is a giant turd but using it is a reality of working with a lot of companies so it’s nice it’s at least easy to install a slightly more functional version.
“Welcome to Costco. I love you.”
We shitpost on Lemmy and start flame wars about vi vs. emacs, X11 vs Wayland, sysvinit vs systemd, snaps vs flatpak, etc.
All of those wars have long since ended.
Neovim, Wayland, Systemd and Flatpak have won.Nano/Micro/Pico gang will never back down!
In Emacs I can annotate pdfs.
who the fuck does that in a text editor??
Emacs has a text editor???
Tap for spoiler
Despite my joke, I’m on the Emacs side of this war.
/me eating popcorn as a nano user
KurtVonnegut does that
The war is over but battles still rage on. Some people really hate the concept of standardization.
Would agree, but Wayland is still broke on nvidia 2060 mobile (got the laptop before I switched to Linux and it doesn’t have integrated graphics either *cough*HP*cough*) so I have to stick with X11 for now… *sigh* I really wanted to try out SwayFX and Hyprland too
Would agree, but Wayland is still broke on nvidia 2060 mobile
Frankly mint/wayland flat out does not work yet, combine that with the fact that cinnamon still does not have triple buffering for their desktop animations, and its a very annoying desktop experience for anyone coming from windows/mac where most of these issue were solved 20 years ago.
Sometimes I run the update command and there hasn’t been an update since yesterday. I think that’s pretty close.
there is nothing to do ;_;
I really wanted mr. Satya to watch my screen with Recall 😥
Guess what I did last night? I spent 4 hours working on getting PSD, XCF and KRA thumbnailers working in Mint. It took custom scripts to be written and each one required different commands because KRA files are just a zip file so you have to extract that and grab one of 3 possible preview files that might exist inside that zip and make that the thumbnail, while in gimp files you cant just use convert command, even convert[0] will only turn the first layer into a thumbnail and thats completely useless. And to top off all that, I finally got thumbnails working in gnome/nautilus but Only the XCF thumbs will generate in cinnamon/nemo (I still have no clue why that is) but I cannot just switch to gnome because there is technically no gnome variant of Mint so gnome doesnt work 100%… etc etc etc
Linux is still not there, this stuff should be simple and automatic. If a 20 year professional took 4 hours to get this far, the average user will give up immediately. Yes Mint is still my daily driver, but seriously thumbnails should not be this much work.
publish your scripts and you might save the next guy some hours 🙂
“Hey computer, I don’t like when you ask for that confirmation, just do it”
“Oh,
-y
, I got you”Two clicks with the update thingy on Mint, if I could never have to use the terminal I might be tempted to uninstall Windows completely.
New copypasta of 2025:
I use Arch btwI use Mint btwIt’s actually I use NixOS fwiw
Or MX Linux, for some reason it’s getting popular and I don’t know why
plus it makes you feel like a hacker for a few seconds
Underrated comment
It’s not a big deal via terminal but for me and probably the average user, a decent update UI is superior. I want my computer to remind me like once a week and then update with one or two clicks. Updating via terminal does not appeal to me.
Sure, it’s a matter taste and I too like a good UI.
Both can exist, that’s a another beauty of linux.
And this happens too. I get a little tray icon saying ‘do updates’ and I tap that and all my applications whether fwupd (firmware), flatpak or rpm updates are there and I click ‘go’, including the most recent nvidia drivers. In my case, KDE ‘discover’ does this for me. I’m so lazy as to not want to bother running the three terminal commands (dnf, fwupdmgr, and flatpak).
Meanwhile, under windows, I do that, but then it doesn’t do my firmware, so my hardware vendor has their own updater (which also suggests driver updates that Microsoft does not suggest), but if I use those then I still miss out on decent nvidia drivers, I need to go to nvidia to get those updates. And pretty much every application is then independently telling me time to update something or another in a never ending parade of ‘update me now’ icons in the tray.
Meanwhile it can be greatly mitigated in Windows by opening up a terminal and doing a winget update. Except it keeps offering up this one Office update that hangs with a blank terminal in my screen, and it still misses half the stuff…
Linux Mint has a good update GUI that can be accessed via a system tray icon in the taskbar.
Getting me silenced by the mob of mods is just what a dirty Linux user would do.
Removed Comment: Windows has
winget upgrade --all
. Fucking cultists.Though it doesn’t work fully, and as it works it’s spewing windows on my screen, because so much of the windows ecosystem doesn’t believe in headless operation.
Literally just make the updates silent.
https://www.edtechirl.com/p/set-it-and-forget-it-daily-silent
Isn’t it fun? It’s like owning your car and learning what everything actually does, and figuring out how to fix it. And having an amazing community to boot!. I enjoy it.
I’m thinking of making Linux my daily driver apart for some software I need for work. People are super positive about it on here, but isn’t it still the case that some peripherals won’t work? Or that I’ll spend a ton of time making the system work instead of actually using the system?
It would be for gaming that I’d use the Linux installation mostly.
It depends a lot on your hardware. All of my stuff was picked up instantly (all AMD), my kb/mouse/tartarus of course, and my Logitech wheel. Now if you mean VR, linux struggles with that right now at least for oculus. The vive is ok with steam only games I heard.
I treat it a lot like an old car. I love it and tinkering on it is fun, but if an emergency pops up and I have to, I can reboot into windows. Really trying to never have to do that, except for VR and games like PUBG (which yeah we shouldn’t support but my friends and I still like it sometimes).
If you’re the type that craves learning and the journey is more fun than the goal (ie, me), then do it! I just put mint and popos on 3 different computers and have been having a lot of fun with it.
Speaking from personal experience but pretty universal one at that.
Once terminal kinda “clicks” you will get the urge to tweak stuff. It happens because there is bunch “demo apps” that are just cool to mess around with but simply don’t get known on co-orperate OS. Check this as example.
If games you play or tools you use can be fitted to linux, at some point you will port 80% of your workflow just messing around during the tweaking. Like when you do your first rice.
And after that you can confidently chose if you want to add on to that or continue dualboot.
- tab completion works in more places than you might expect
- ctrl-a/ctrl-e for start/end of line
- ctrl-u to clear the command you’ve typed so far but store it into a temporary pastebuffer
- ctrl-y to paste the ctrl-u’d command
- ctrl-w to delete by word (I prefer binding to alt-backspace though)
- ctrl-r to search your command history
- alt-b/alt-f to move cursor back/forwards by word
- !! is shorthand for the previous run command; handy for
sudo !!
- !$ is the last argument of the previous command; useful more often than you’d think
which foo
tells you where thefoo
program is locatedls -la
cd
without any args takes you to your home dircd -
takes you to your previous dir- ~ is a shorthand for your home dir
Makes me realize just how illogical and bad these shortcuts are
I believe, these are Emacs shortcuts. There’s also
set -o vi
in bash, but I’ve never used it, so can’t vouch for it.That’s good to know. It’s interesting that the other commenter thinks emacs shortcuts are illogical. I’ll make my best guesses at the logic
- ctrl-a/ctrl-e for start/end of line
a is the beginning of the alphabet; e for end (of line)
- ctrl-u to clear the command you’ve typed so far but store it into a temporary pastebuffer
- ctrl-y to paste the ctrl-u’d command
No idea here. Seems similar to nano with k-“cut” and u-”uncut”.
- ctrl-w to delete by word
w for word obviously.
- ctrl-r to search your command history
- alt-b/alt-f to move cursor back/forwards by word
r reverse, b back, f forward. Not sure why alt vs control though; presumably ctrl+b and ctrl+f do different things although I know emacs likes to use Alt (“Meta”) a lot.
In the 1980s, Digital Equipment Corporation had a word processor, WPS. Ctrl-u cleared the line you were typing and put it into the paste buffer. Maybe legacy usage?
Explains why they are so illogical! Unfortunately i think its better to just learn the defaults since i remote into lots of servers where i dont carry my config
- alt-. also pastes the last argument of the previous command (useful if you need to modify it a bit)
- instead of any shortcuts starting with “alt” you can also press “esc” followed by the second key, e.g. pressing “esc”, releasing it and then “a” is the same as pressing “alt-a” (useful if you have only one hand available, or if alt is not availalble)
- if you put a space before a command, it will not be saved in history (useful sometimes, e.g. if you pass a password directly as an argument)
If you’re looking for a full list of these kind of navigation shortcuts, they all come from
readline
so read theman
page for that. Or just look up the basic navigation ofemacs
which is whatreadline
is mimicking.A neat thing is that a lot of command line programs use readline. So learning and configuring it will also be useful in for example the Python REPL and calc.
Here are some neat configuration options you can put in
~/.inputrc
set completion-ignore-case on set show-all-if-ambiguous on set completion-prefix-display-length 9 set blink-matching-paren on set mark-symlinked-directories on
And if you are a sensible person who is used to vim
set editing-mode vi set show-mode-in-prompt on
Saving this! Absolutely gold, thanks for writing it up. You’re what makes the Linux community cool. ❤️
tab completion works in more places than you might expect
I’ve found tab to be such a nice “please give me a hint” button.
- Bonus tip : Sometimes you won’t get auto complete because there’s too many possibilities and the computer can’t be certain which one you want. Hitting tab multiple times will show the possibilities, so you can type in enough characters to remove ambiguity, hit tab again, and boom auto complete!
…That was a terribly convoluted explanation I’m sorry. Just try hitting tab multiple times for fun if you’re stuck it’s kinda handy. Lol
What’s the shortcut for scrolling the terminal?
Nice list, TIL about
Ctrl+U
andCtrl+Y
.If I may add,
Ctrl+X
intoCtrl+E
opens$EDITOR
to edit the current line.I’ve been using the commandline for so long but was always too lazy to look up the rest of these commands after ctrl+a/e and ctrl+r THANK YOU!!!
post this commend again and again! There’s always lazy idiots like me who will be helped that way!
Saved! Thank you so much.
I’ve used Linux full-time since late 2020 and I never knew about
ctrl+y
andctrl+u
.I’d also like to contribute some knowledge.
aliases
You can put these into your
~/.bashrc
or~/.zshrc
or whatever shell you use.### ### ls aliases ### # ls = colors alias ls='ls --color=auto' # ll = ls + human readable file sizes alias ll='ls -lh --color=auto' # lla = ll + show hidden files and folders alias lla='ls -lah --color=auto' ### ### other aliases ### # set color for different commands alias diff='diff --color=auto' alias grep='grep --color=auto' alias ip='ip --color=auto' # my favourite way of navigating to a far-off folder # this scans my home folder and presents me with a list of # fuzzy-searchable folders # you need fzf and fd installed for this alias to work alias cdd='cd "$(sudo fd -t d . ${HOME} | fzf)"'
recommendations
ncdu - a shell-based tool to analyze disk usage, think GNOME’s baobab or KDE’s filelight but in the terminal
zellij - tmux but easy and with nice colors
atuin - shell history but good, fuzzy-searchable. If you still have the basic shell history (when pressing
ctrl+r
), I cannot recommend this enough.ranger - a terminal file-browser (does everything I need and way more)
Also, Terminal User Interfaces are a nice middle ground between learning terminal commands and having a GUI.
Example:
btop - process manager TUI
ncmpcpp - TUI media player, used mpd on the backend
Here’s a big list: https://github.com/rothgar/awesome-tuis
Also, Terminal User Interfaces are a nice middle ground between learning terminal commands and having a GUI.
Yes, TUIs definitely help reduce possible stress and fear of complexity for new users.
Thanks for the git link, didn’t know that, just starred it :)
+1 for Atuin. I constantly use it on my machine and SSH-ing on remote machines who don’t have it is an absolute pain.
I’m gonna have to save this thread and check some of those!
Yeah, linux-servers without the tools installed in your PC are a hassle. That’s why I learned to work with vim, as that’s in nearly every distro’s repo.
I recommended atuin as I was using it before, but currently I am using ohmyzsh with the fzf plugin for zsh. This has a very atuin-like interface and handling, but as a plugin for zsh itself.
For me the Home/End keys also go to the start/end of a line like ctrl-a/ctrl-e, and ctrl-tab/ctrl-Tab move the cursor fwd/back a word at a time.
When the GUI fails, Terminal will have your back; can I get an Amen?
When my computer starts to run out of ram and I immediately try and switch into the CLI so I can launch htop and kill the offender
find the traitor and kill him!
It’s usually Minecraft or Firefox
amen
Amen. Hallelujah! AMEN! Ooh yeah brothers and sisters, AaaAAaAmen!
PS: this is not a cult BTW
It is, but it’s a very nice cult.
if I could copy pasta with ctrl-c and ctrl-v in terminal, then 90% of my hatred of the command line would evaporate instantly.
middle mouse click is like magic, but CTRL-SHIFT-C/V usually works
I don’t want to pasta with middle click. I want to scroll with middle click. I want to pasta with ctrl-v.
I don’t want to pasta with middle click. I want to scroll with middle click. I want to pasta with ctrl-v.
🍝🤌🤌🤌
Lol jokes aside, like they said above just add a shift and you’re good. Ctrl+shift+c and Ctrl+shift+v a’cut’a a’nna pasta jus’sa fine! Muah!
Well, yes. But also that only addresses half my comment. I suppose it’s fair since my own comment only addressed half of the previous comment.
Ah, I was so fixated on the “pasta” joke, you’re right, I missed the other thing! Yeah, I can understand you missing that auto scroll feature.
From what I can tell, it doesn’t come as easily as it should natively across all applications, although it appears Firefox has this functionality built in. I found a forum post here from not too long ago. Does this help in your case? :)
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=263528
Edit:
And here, some folks are discussing a scripty way to do it system-wide. YMMV it sounds like, and I’m honestly surprised this isn’t just a tick-box feature by now.
That second link looks promising, it’s more recent than last time I looked into it. Thank you.
Also, I’ve been doing the pasta joke for so long that I forget it’s a bit. “paste” gets autocorrected in my brain to be “pasta”.
Has someone not made this a thing for the terminal?
Then change the keyboard shortcuts of your terminal so that it does that. If you can’t, then switch to a terminal that lets you change the keyboard shortcuts.
What Ctrl+Shift+(do a little spin)+Ins isn’t intuitive enough for you??
Jokes aside, that’s understandable. I guess I’ve just become used to it, but there must be some way to override the default binding if you don’t like it… Personally I like the kitty terminal’s approach which uses mod+c/v for copy and paste in the terminal like you’d expect, while still leaving ctrl+c/v for sigint and verbatim respectively.
Many terminals let you do that, just change keybinds. The issue is Ctrl+C is used to stop/kill a running command.
Wait till you try fish or zsh loaded with all the fancy plugins lol
or zoxide and yazi
Oh-My-Zsh (https://ohmyz.sh/) is good if you want to try a nice suite of plugins and dotfiles.
Niw you are doomed and there is no going back. Welcome to the gang;)
You’ve taken your first step into a larger world.