cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29037456
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The reason Trumps idea appeals to people for those unaware is that free trade destroyed a lot of union jobs, which were outsourced to emerging markets. After the industrial revolution unions fought for worker rights and salaries, and they were then shipped away to places that didnt have those rights, and they want to see a reversal of this.
Not sure if its right or wrong, but you cant fault them for holding out hope, its actually a left wing ideal I would say, large government protectionism interfering in the free market. Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort, there are many factory jobs in the US already that people are happy to have; even ASML making advanced semiconductor fabs is a “factory job”.
Saying that all factory jobs are bad is a silly retort,
Who’s saying that?
America was isolated from WW2 and joined at the end on their terms and for their benefit thanks to their location/geography. America will easily self-isolate and go full V for Vendetta (white [Germanic? Anglo Saxon? I feel like Germanic covers both] ethnonationalism, as usual) until it eventually balkanizes.
But Americans are honestly the dumbest people I’ve ever met, seeming almost challenged in their happy ignorance, so what can Americans by themselves do against their owners and through hardship? Israelis bomb Palestine through Ramadan and the communities still break their fast together in the rubble of their homes; Americans can’t afford something they’ve been advertised but definitely don’t need and will start selling drugs, their bodies (OF has made it easier than ever too!) and, finally, their souls. I can’t see them doing anything besides murdering when they have the upper hand and assenting in fear when they don’t, and I definitely don’t see them getting together productively.
America was isolated from WW2 and joined at the end on their terms and for their benefit thanks to their location/geography.
That was WWI, they were in WWII from the start.
The US was most certainly NOT part of WW2 from the start.
We provided aid early in the war through our lend-lease programs, but the US made it a point to stay out of the war. That changed after Pearl Harbor.
Okay “from the start” was wrong on my part, but they were an active combatant for most of the war.
At least your mistake was mostly just a factual error and fairly easy to correct. The person you were commenting to though… I don’t even know where to begin.
Fucking… geography, is why we joined WWII? Really? And everything else is just a screed, it’s not even worth reading.
They joined the European war late, haven’t been around for the most of it time-wise.
They joined in 1943, 68% of time in.
The Germans lost less people fighting against the US in Europe total than in the Battle of Stalingrad.
Hey, knowing the means of production in and out will be pretty valuable once the working class also own it.
They’re still so certain we’re having grandkids… Who’s gonna tell them?
It might not be you, but it will be children having children with abortion bans and lack of sex education.
You keep hearing some members of this administration talk about automation and robots for factory jobs, and also AI for office jobs. If the press were at all smart they would continually ask these morons to keep explaining this contradiction. But I would love hear what they think will happen if everyone in the country loses their job. It’s not going to be good for the %.01 either.
Oh yeah, only right wing brown-nosers have White House press credentials anymore.
That would require the media to not be owned by the same kind of people that own the factories.
Or afraid of losing access. They keep throwing soft balls because they’re worried about being banned from press conferences and interviews.
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100%
Access journalism is one of the many things destroying the faith people have in media
Think I’ll pass, bud. I’ve read The Jungle, I know how this ends.
This take has got me hate before, but The Jungle is where I got my work ethic. I was 19, college American History. I was fucking appalled, but my take-away was, “Holy SHIT! He persevered though all that and kept going and going! BEASTLY!” (OK, it was the 90s: “GNARLY!”)
I know that wasn’t the intended lesson, but I was a changed man after reading that. No job, no matter how shitty, was tough enough to compare. Employment experience has always been, since then, working my ass off and quickly moving up to what I want to do.
Even my shit job at Lowe’s, been there 3-months, moved up to what I wanted, full-time position opening the garden center. I have the best job out of all those fuckers, that fast. No ass kissing or nepotism, no buddies on site, just grit.
I’ve done this in many jobs. “Fuck I’m taking customer service calls forever, I want to train classes instead.” Moved into that in 3-6 months, two different jobs. Slow as hell as an internet cable guy, but did perfect work. Moved into a QA/supervisory position in 4-months.
Anyway, yes, The Jungle is what these fuckers want us back to doing. And for anyone that hasn’t read it, please do so now.
He doesn’t mean after they graduate high school, he means as soon as they can walk.
From age six until you drop dead. No schools required, whatever you need to do this job you will learn on the job.
So they’re saying they want us to die on the job. That might be okay for some but I still want to at least pretend to retire before I croak
Otto von Bismarck moment.
(Context: dude instated pretty much the first pensions system in the world to try and stop the Marxists gaining influence, and allegedly asked the guy in charge of making the program to set the retirement age at a value where most of the population would die before reaching it. Iirc they settled on 70 years old, which is definitely too old for the average 19th century factory peon)
I actually don’t want to work at a factory. I want robots to do that for me and I want the products to be cheap so I can buy cool stuff to do more interesting things.
Like I don’t want to weld parts and stuff, I want to make lasers from those parts.
I don’t want to melt glass. I want to use lenses to make images.
I don’t want to dig for shit. I want to use that stuff to make rocket fuel.
We don’t want factory jobs. We want technology jobs.
If you are clever enough for that creative work, why don’t you use that creativity to make those jobs?
The uncomfortable problem is that manufacturing jobs dind’t move to China for the cheap workers but for the cheap engineers and managers who run the factories.
Production won’t come back because there are not enough clever people in the USA.
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Thanks for the insight.
But someone, somewhere is doing the grunt work. We’re nowhere near replacing manual labor. Hell, a robot with 10x our current capabilities couldn’t do my dumbass job at Lowe’s, and it certainly couldn’t talk to customers with decades of DIY and plant experience.
And BTW, I’m with you on all the above. Bet we’d be tight.
To be fair, this is what this government promised. The issue is that the voters just took it in
That poll showing 80% of voters want manufacturing jobs to come back to America but 20% of voters would willingly choose to work a factory job says everything.
I want manufacturing jobs to come back. We are transitioning to new technologies where there are not yet entrenched manufacturing dominance: it would be much easier to create jobs related to this, supplies chains related to this, market domination is still possible. We were late to the game after throwing away the early lead but we had our chance. We had investments. We had the economy finally turning. Yep, threw that away too.
We were finally turning toward indefinite energy independence. Still trying to throw that away.
All to fight the industrial battles of half a century ago, try to compete where there are no longer jobs, fight to wrest control of supply chains from entrenched leaders, compete on race to the bottom salaries
Yeah, it says why are we schlepping parts all over the world to be assembled by poors in SEA, when we got our own poors stuck in the middle of the country with nothing to do but meth and fentanyl.
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On a more serious note, moving manufacturing back to the states will take some stupid number of years even if they start now, just to build the factories and the associated infrastructure. If only voters hadn’t let the capitalist class gut domestic manufacturing in the first place…
moving manufacturing back to the states will take some stupid number of years even if they start now
Now, come on. I’ve been to Bethlehem, PA! The facility is just sitting there waiting to be used!
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Looks perfectly there to me.
Yes, the 2024 election was truly a vote for misinformation over any policy.
Fox and the right have spent decades pushing various “this is what America needs” narratives but they’re a contradictory mess that neither matches reality nor is coherent. This about the manufacturing jobs is one. See also: states’ rights (except when the right controls the federal government and blue states don’t follow), cutting spending (except when we want to give tax cuts to billionaires), back-the-blue and law-and-order (except when we are staging an insurrection and deporting citizens), etc.
The reason this happens is because those narratives were always propaganda purely to win elections and create hate for the other side, and that is because they were always about gaining power for its own sake, not about a worldview or concrete goals.
2024 showed that delusion wins over facts. So now the right is living in a pure fantasy, made of construction paper and rotting cardboard facade that they demand we acknowledge as a sparkling utopia, and we’re all stuck in it.
People would work factory jobs, if they were good paying jobs.
If you could own a home, afford groceries, raise a family, save for retirement, and take a modest family vacation, there would be lines out door applying for these jobs.
But these aren’t the factory jobs of the 1950s, those kind of wages aren’t coming back.
LOL, they could come back with a few guillotines. How many filthy rich would have to die? Some assembly required.
Yes please. Just give me job that pays me enough to live working 40 hours a week. Health insurance and an apartment without roommates. The ability to eat out on weekends. I’ll press a button for 40 hours or something.
The worst job I ever had had was right after I got out of the military and went home. I needed a job and a buddy of mine worked in a place that made custom logo hats and jackets for various businesses. His job was to ship the finished products out. The job I got was on the floor sewing the little cardboard backing that the hat bill is sewn onto. I did this for a summer in an unair-conditioned room full of mostly older Asian women that were quite demanding about quality control. The repetitiveness of it was truly maddening.
And the economy is planned for 5 years at a time to keep those jobs this stable, yes?
Each time this guy opens his trap, he proves that when you hire clowns, you get a circus.
He is the proof, that time travel is real. They got a feudal lord from the middle ages to cosplay as that guy.
For life? Someone is delusional.
Maybe for 5 years, at most. Humans need food. Humans need breaks. Automated assembly machines? 24/7 production, no annual leave, no insurance plans, and no unionizing.
The up-front cost is much higher, but it’s cheaper in the long run. Good luck keeping that factory job long enough to have kids, let alone pass it down to them.
We’ll, the article was about the jobs maintaining the robots, not humans building stuff in factories.
Well, that’s on me for only reading the summary posted here.
Wow the AI meme from earlier this week, with the humans inside and the robots painting and doing creative work, it became too real
