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they run them down a conveyer belt or something now i think, they got a location thats totally automated and has no employees
Boomers still think fast-food jobs are part-time things that teenagers do for some pocket change. They literally do not grasp the idea that there are adults working there to pay rent and buy food.
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How out of touch are you?
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nobody works there because it’s their life dream. If they work there it’s because of some benefit like having some money vs no money.
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who should be working there then? Like, someone has to. Who do you think belongs there?
No, nobody has to. The problem of them under paying would solve itself if nobody was willing to work for them at those low wages.
Maybe if we had UBI or something, which is why the powers that be are so against it, because being homeless and hungry are powerful motivators to put up with more bullshit.
Collective action? Now that sounds like communism to me…
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If I don’t do something, than fuck everyone who does it, let 'em burn. Definitely big brain time.
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You seem really offended at the idea that “someone who works a job should be able to afford living” for some reason…
Brother if you’re ever in the UK I’d love to link up and see if you’re so quick to talk to people like shit IRL, cause you’ll quickly get your shit rocked.
HMU if you ever in Manchester.
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It’s obvious from this thread that they get little to no irl interaction.
The root cause of the problem IS the mega-corp fast food chain that sells us expensive shitty unhealthy food and pays slave wages to its labor force that it treats like annoying obstacles and constantly threatening to automate away. They take away jobs from real restaurants too, until they shut down, and all you have left is fucking McDonald’s.
Dismissing that people work there out of desperation is out of touch, but to disagree with “let fastfood restaurants go bankrupt” is where the REAL BIG brains are at.
Why can’t we just have a discussion without insults. These corporations are the problem, convincing them to pay you more until they automate you away is not a solution, the solution IS for them to be bankrupt.
I also don’t eat there, and think it’s morally outrageous to give them any profit that helps them achieve the distopian future they’re working so hard towards.
Close. The issue is corporate socialism
there ya go. here’s a guy/gal who understands the issues.
Why can’t we just have a discussion without insults
Let’s be honest, “I don’t eat fast food so they should be allowed to pay slave wages” isn’t really a compelling discussion with nuanced talking points.
Why is it on the shoulders of the desperate to not take any job they can get, and on the shoulders of the desperate to not get whatever food they can afford and have time for in between their 3 jobs?
You know what would also kill the business model of “under pay and over work staff for low quality results then just replace them”? Laws preventing such behavior.But they didn’t say that, they said the opposite… They’re saying they’d rather not support this awful business, and would rather watch it die so it can be replaced with real jobs that people can live off of. That’s how I interpreted it anyway.
Personally, I don’t mind doing an reasonable amount of work - it can be cathartic like exercise or give a sense of purpose. The problem is, the employers want people to be like hamsters on a wheel, driven to exhaustion and then disposed of for the next rodent to be worked to death.
Workers are being abused - ghost jobs, inconsiderate scheduling, impossible requirements, no overtime pay, manipulation, and so forth has corroded the social contract. At some point, there is just no point in working.
I belong there, as would many other people, if society was willing to treat us fairly.
I agree. I wasn’t trying to shit on the job itself, but point out how fast food workers are treated. If fast food workers were treated like human beings, i bet people would love to work there.
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Just go away. We don’t want you here.
You’re either a troll or lack all empathy for others. Neither are anything to society.
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Damn. Look everyone, it’s a shit stain of a human
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You’re right. I’ll quit my job tomorrow and apply to be the next Elon Musk. Give me 6 million in seed money now please.
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Yeah i will earn it, and more, at my Elon Musk job. Now gimme.
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Lmao. Look at this poor mfer unable to afford giving me 6 million in seed money so I can quit my burger job and be the next Elon Musk. What a loser.
Maybe he should quit his job and get a better paying one to afford my seed money, like normal people do.
Why should a full-time employer be permitted to pay an employee less than it costs to merely survive? It’s like you WANT to live in a culture where humans are exploited and thrown away when they break.
Edit: NVM, I see from the rest of the thread that you are not participating in good faith, and your responses will be blocked from reaching me.
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I get paid by the hour, 50 years old. And the same job for 20 years. Full time.
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50 hrs ago week isn’t full time? Get fuckt
Fulltime is typically defined as 40 hours a week max, but the threshold is lower for definitions like the ACA, you can be eligible as low as 30, and sometimes employers have to make you eligible as high as 36, it’s complicated.
It’s not really complicated, it’s just that companies want to find (or make!) loopholes to shirk their responsibilities.
Hourly can be fulltime.
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No, you’re a fucking idiot.
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You are wrong and have always been wrong. It is based on worked (scheduled hours) in a week. Above a threshold, and it is considered full-time.
You sounds like you’ve never held a job before and these terms are brand new to you. You’re using them wrong.
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You still don’t realize how ignorant you come across
If you work 40 hours a week and paid hourly that is full time. You don’t have to be salary to be full time employee.
I’m hourly and make a good living wage, are you implying that hourly means you don’t work full time or should be entitled to a livable wage?
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The workers who are responsible for the continued function of society aren’t owed anything?
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look can we stop with the boomer crap? that is a myth and disproved so many times. lets work together instead of insulting whole generations of people we don’t know
ok boomer
L+ratio
It’s not a myth. If it wasn’t so disgustingly true across the board I’d be in agreement. Class war over generational and all that, but I’ll also call out the systems and people that are actively (STILL) shitting all over progress. Their generation is at fault in large part to why we’re so utterly fucked and continue to be (see Reagan). The majority of our gov is run by geriatric fucks that refuse to align with their constituents and cling on to their positions until they’re literally in wheel chairs. Those are fucking boomers. They’re in charge still, and they’re the ones holding the reins on voting in any iota of progress in any number of categories, one being minimum wage. Fuck them.
Its a myth. but hey, lets not facts get in the way of anything. y know, like individual circumstances, actual ages of the people in charge running the government and tech companies, etc.
if you believe the myth, then you’ve been led around by the nose by big tech. y know the the predominately gen x’ers who run the tech world.
BTW I’m a gen xer. born in 68. know more about tech than most millennials( though probably less than many here of any age) and less about cars than most gen x’ers. Know what that says? Means I spent my time differently than others in my generation, same as every generation. Stop with the myth.
Yes, generalizations are usually bad, and there are exceptions to literally any group. Doesn’t mean it’s a myth. The term wouldn’t exist if it was a myth, and wouldn’t be so widely used if there wasn’t a large amount of truth attached to it. I’m also not discrediting the issues we have with corpo bullshit. Thats obviously it’s own issue, but I will point out that part of the reason corp interests are in our politics at all is again because of the same group voting in the ability for lobbying by those corps.
If a majority of boomers think Thing1, but you are a boomer who thinks Thing2 instead, you are not disproving a myth, you’re being an outlier. If you were to pick a random boomer off the street, there’s a very good chance that he thinks Thing1 instead of Thing2. So “boomers think Thing1” is a perfectly valid (if a bit casual) statment that adequately represents the underlying statistical facts of the situation.
It can be frustrating as a Thing2 boomer, but that’s just how it is. The world thinks Amercans are hateful, disgusting ghoulish greedy misanthopists, and it feels bad to hear that as an American who didn’t vote for Trump, but I accept the logic behind the generalization.
So now you’re telling a guy who lived the experience that he is mistaken. Kid. Enough. You have no idea what you’re talking about, like, at all.
You enjoy your evening.
You should look into the Pew Charitable Trust paper about why they are abandoning generational studies. In short they are inaccurate and wrong for every generation except one. Want to guess which generation bucks the trends?
Is it Gen Z or the Boomers?
Boomers are the only generation to really show generation wide changes whereas most people have more in common with people within 5 years plus or minus of their age.
Every food service place in my area fired their under-18 staff. Apparently it was a manager fad to declare minors “too much trouble” and so the only high schoolers I see are bagging groceries or camp counselors for little kids. My kids are 15 and want to start working but the best job in town that allows them is serving dinner and doing laundry at the fancy retirement community.
I cannot remember the last time I saw a high schooler working at a fast food joint.
Don’t worry. With Republicans working hard to repeal child labor laws, you should see more in fast food and also in the mines soon!
Agree with them “Sure. Then they should be closed during school hours, right?”
They dont realize that teenagers dont even have jobs anymore mostly
If a job at McDonald’s doesn’t pay your bills and groceries then who do you think would even do this job?
People who are already wealthy and do it just for the fun of flipping burgers?!
Maybe! I have long maintained that if I ever luck into being obscenely wealthy, I will absolutely open some manner of food service or retail establishment similar to those I’ve worked at in the past, but not give a fuck about turning a profit and make a cornerstone of my business telling off customers for being the rude, self-centered, and entitled little shits that so many of them are. I’ll consider it a much needed public service.
I’ve occasionally dreamt about doing this with a bar. I picture it like the sitcom Black Books, but with booze instead of books.
They are trying to get us to accept the the new American Economic Paradigm that ALL households require at least two paychecks to exist, and 3 or 4 if you want to get ahead.
Of course, employers want us to be enslaved to them for our entire schedule, so they don’t like us working second jobs or side hustle.
Time for Robin Hood economics (take from the rich, give to the poor).
So many people believe those jobs solely exist for highschool college kids to get started in life until they ‘develop skills.’ I can’t even imagine the lack of empathy you have to have for all those not in that position desperately trying to live.
But if no one has to struggle, how will we know who’s beneath us??
He struggles so the billionaire can own a yacht.
Third yacht.
Hint: we’re all at the bottom and there’s only another layer
Lateral poverty
“McDonald’s is a job for high schoolers, it’s not a career!”
Then why are they open during school hours, and why do you go there during your lunch break, Gladys, when kids are “at school” and can’t “flip burgers”?
Florida: Let’s expand the work experience program to backfill immigrant labor!
Yeah if they pay a living wage to everyone then high schoolers could work part time for real too which would also be better.
I’m glad you asked, the answer is:
CHILD LABOR
I don’t think they flip them anymore. They just cook both sides at once
It’s this, and it’s also more than this: there has to be a limitation put on profit, a place at which the corporation achieves balance and success- enough to not feel the need to continually chip away at wages and working conditions or increasing enshittification in search of immediate short-term profits.
If enough profit is never enough, it will forever remain a constant battle between corporations and workers, and corporations and the public.
This is even my problem with the system when it comes to “the little guy.” Say you make a coffee shop, or release art, or a videogame, or an invention… There’s always this looming pressure to scale . No matter how much of a home run, that success is almost designed to “dry up.”
Wow, one in a million success! You can chill now right? No, it’s gotta be bigger, better, repeated, infinitely! Franchises, chains, out of place sequels nobody asked for! Overly enthusiastic merch destined for the Pacific Garbage Patch!
It feels like the system forces greed upon people as the state religion because they are not naturally greedy themselves if they’re otherwise taken care of. Savvy business of the modern age has the mentality of cancer.
Even the wealthy need to be imbued with the pathological fear that all they have might get taken from them, so they must amass more and more. It doesn’t even end with their own lives! They must aim for generational private wealth now.
It’s feels like it’s such an outlier mentality to want to find “just enough success to support my people and do some good.”
And you’re right about the adversarial relationship between employers and workers. “Honest work” is almost an oxymoron anymore, because it doesn’t matter how nice a person sits in the manager’s chair. Their win condition to provide for themselves is to screw you as much as possible and get away with it.
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We do. Have you not noticed the prices? In 2000 a bigmac cost $2.24 now they cost $5.99. The real tell, tho, is that mcdonalds had $25 BILLION in profits in 2024. Money they made from consumers buying their products. Somehow it seems like they absolutely have the money to pay a living wage, but im no mathematician.
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individual is shit compared to collective
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individual is a lone gunman, collective is an army
You’re a part of the problem
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This one is defective, a shame we can’t RMA you.
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They’re a troll & not worth engaging. Funnily enough, their sole argument for seemingly every interaction is “well why don’t YOU do it”.
Willfully ignorant.
I washed dishes part time and afforded a crappy apartment and beer. In our neighborhood many of the houses are rented out by invitation homes. We never have a neighbor for long as there is a lot of turnover. It’s bullshit these companies can just take over the neighborhood.
Invitation Homes Inc. is a public company traded on the New York Stock Exchange. It is headquartered in the Comerica Bank Tower in Dallas, Texas. Dallas B. Tanner is chief executive officer. As of 2017, the company was reportedly the largest owner of single-family rental homes in the United States. As of July 2024, the company owned about 84,000 rental homes in 16 markets.
People will point out that it makes more sense to punch up than to punch down but the later is significantly easier and better paid.
Punching down gives the monkey brain that sweet squirt of dominance when you see the suffering of your subject. Punching up is unrewarding because you don’t get results unless everyone else does it, and then you have to share the victory with everyone else.
Focusing your wrath where it belongs doesn’t make the million year old monkey brain squirt the reward chemicals.
These is why the alt right pipeline for women is transphobia/TERF shit.
Sexism is real, lots of teenage girls and young women feel frustrated and powerless, but they get easy wins going after trans women. They can’t get Dobbs reversed, but forcing trans people to detransition is an explicit goal of conservative power structures. They get to feel like they “won” with that UK court ruling - that “women’s rights” were won by something that did nothing to actually meaningfully help women.
their con man idols tell them that the reason their lives are shitty is because of the mexicans, gays, black people, women, librarians, immigrants…everyone except the people who are literally paying them nothing and laughing at them for it.
and the people are all too happy to believe it
Well… You ought to know to listen to your betters, too!
I think a lot about something i read somewhere - “you hate every piece of capitalism but won’t connect the dots to see that’s the picture”.
I have this conversation with people all the time.
Cookie clicker irl
Everything always boils down to people being dumb and if magically the people would become smart, all problems would just get fixed.
Not even smart , in a genius-like sense. I’d settle for merely cooperative.
Like if people could drop the petty “movement purity” squabbles and just rustle up that meme energy “apes together strong” for each other as the working class, instead of individualizing their struggles and settling for misery, we could really get somewhere!
You mean unions?
Communist!
But if I don’t have my boot on somebody else’s face, how am I supposed to accept the boot on my face?
Checkmate, communists!
That’s the neat part .png
Yeah but see this doesn’t contain the cruelty that’s in line with the biblical teachings the form the backbone of conservative values.
Sure but we must ask how much should you be able to afford in this position?
I’m sick of talking about a “living wage”. I want a thriving wage.
What the woman who labors wants is the right to live, not simply exist – the right to life as the rich woman has the right to life, and the sun and music and art. You have nothing that the humblest worker has not a right to have also. The worker must have bread, but she must have roses, too. Help, you women of privilege, give her the ballot to fight with.
Wow, such a powerful quote.
It touches on something I’m worried about in our time: How we’ve started to monetize hobbies as “hustles” and watch other people enjoy them in our place because we’re too busy to do them ourselves.
It feels like enjoying “the sun and music and art” is now the job of an entertainer, who the audience lives vicariously through, between their shifts. Whether it’s all these shows about celebrities who get to travel, or so simple as streamers getting to sit down and play games…
As the screenshot said, enough to pay for rent, bills and groceries. That’s is, enough to not be homeless, starving or unable to afford healthcare.
Renting what though? How many bedrooms?
Uh. One? Then if two people had basic jobs…Maybe two?
Maybe someone is able to claw their way above minimum wage and the other can quit entirely, whatever.
Nobody’s demanding McMansions for McDoubles. They just want the concept of a job to be more than an endless void that arbitrarily takes exponentially more than it gives.
Working two jobs and being one major illness or injury away from losing it all is a sick insult to humanity, for all it has achieved up to this point.
Do you guys not have salary continuance and disability insurance by default through your retirement accounts? Over here by default if we hurt ourselves at work we get workers comp and outside of work we have salary continuance insurance (unless you’ve unsubscribed). If it’s bad enough you get a lump sum from total disability insurance
Hehe, that’s how pathetic things are here.
Retirement accounts? Since we’re talking minimum wage workers here, most of them have probably never even heard of those. I know I don’t have one, because I’ve only held part time employment while self-studying a bunch of other skills. I have just a savings that gets cleaned out whenever the car makes an expensive noise I can’t fix myself.
We pay into “Social Security” that you’re supposed to be able to pull from when you retire, but that’s been an iffy thing for years now and it’s definitely not something that can be lived off of anymore.
Over here by default if we hurt ourselves at work we get workers comp and outside of work we have salary continuance insurance
Yeah I didn’t even mean at work, just y’know, life happening can absolutely tank your finances with medical bills. Insurance is an absolute scam here, where the affordable ones can have a “deductible” in the thousands you need to pay before the company even pays out a dime.
At work? Yeah, “workers comp” is a thing, but to your job that’s like declaring war on your employer, the way I understand it. Often you’ll need a lawyer and they’ll send private investigators to stalk you trying to catch you being “not disabled” so they can kick you to the gutter.
(Allegedly lots of people to try to scam the system, like anything else, but dystopian employer paranoia is comically ridiculous.)
This “salary continuance insurance” sounds interesting but I don’t think we have anything like that here. You either use up your paid sick / vacation leave, or if it’s dire you can use “FMLA” (Family Medical Leave Act) to take time away from work, except that doesn’t support your pay, it only protects your job so they don’t outright fire you for having a serious situation come up.
If you’re curious about the situation here, there’s a book called “On the Clock, what low wage labor did to me and how it drives america insane” or something like that. Super eye opening.
Screw amazon but this is the first link I found because I’m literally rushing out of the house lol.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42779084-on-the-clock
Hope this illuminates things a little. Pray for us plz. :)
Oof that is not a great place to be for a worker. These reform groups make so much more sense now
I do see the temptation when tech salaries (for example) are like 5x ours but the drawbacks are wild if you get hurt or fall ill
I know a lot of people around here aren’t a fan of cars, but minimum wage workers need to be able to afford one. And even used cars have gotten crazy expensive. Even if you can find a cheap used shit box it’ll need expensive repairs quickly.
I know there are places where this isn’t true, but where I live, if you don’t have a car, you can’t get to work, the grocery store, or anywhere really. If you try to ride a bike, you will die. If you try to ride an escooter you’ll get ticketed for riding it in the driving lane, and even if it were legal it wouldn’t be an option in the winter when they don’t even clear the whole road of snow and ice. People go homeless before they give up having a car.
I think that if a new style of government is created, free transport and fuel should be an universal right. The government just lends a basic small car for free to people. Once that person buys a fancier car, the rental is returned to the government to be loaned out to someone else in need. Bus passes and passenger rail is free.
This greases the wheel of economy, along with easing pressure on people.
Okay. How close are we to that? How about giving a huge bump to minimum wage and tying increases to inflation, now? Even the Dems aren’t running on this.
Needing cars is caused by the same capitalist system that produces jobs below livable wage, so I totally get it. But if we were able to push for better salaries and working conditions, surely we’d also be able to push for better urban planning and public transport.
It’s already been built wrong, and redoing those places will take decades and will cost trillions. They have been adding little token projects here or there, but our zoning still doesn’t even require sidewalks or bike lanes for new construction. So honestly we’re generations from it at the pace we’re moving. We could pay living wages now though.
If you think flipping burgers is easy, why aren’t you doing it yourself?
Pay all workers a living wage!
