Nobody is changing their mind from modern debates online. We are in a culture of anti-intellectualism. So there really is no point. I only block if someone is annoying or there is no point in engagement.
What is incredibly toxic is insulting someone and then blocking them, so they can’t defend themselves.
lol just say they’re wrong and platform your own position
i block rude and hateful people, it’s gotten bad on Lemmy recently but you can disagree with someone’s point while agreeing with their overall belief system, in the most normal way and you get back name calling, hateful comments, lots of anger by people just waiting to throw shit at someone for anything. Used to be you could have a group of people who agree on a subject but not the execution, and you could have a discussion, now if your view doesn’t conform 100% you get treated like you’re garbage.
Double benefit from my perspective. I block people for three reasons, they are not mutually exclusive. Willful stupidity and being argumentative. If someone refuses to learn objective truth or insists I believe their objectively wrong position I have no need to interact with them in the future. I’m done with them. The third reason is getting the last word, myself or them. I have a hard time shutting up sometimes, so if someone meets either of the above criterial and has to continue to keep commenting on any rebuttal I make I just block them. There’s no reason to allow myself to continue the interaction, and the other person has no interest in a good faith discussion.
Really its the same as meatspace. You don’t hang with folks you don’t like or take phone calls from them. My dream is a block thats symetrical. Blocking is in some ways creepy because its only one way.
Every block enforced your echo chamber, brick by brick.
This is why i don’t block things in general. How could I possibly have the slightest bit of nuanced idea of what other people talk about, if i just block it?
I dunno, the censorship is what creates an echo chamber on lemmy.
I block people very rarely (I think I have just two or three blocks on Lemmy and Mastodon combined) but when I do it’s because of tone, not because of content. I’m fine with reading things I don’t agree with or that I think are disconnected from reality. As you say, it gives you an idea of what others think. But if someone is needlessly and consistently rude, I just don’t need that in my life.
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Never said that. I said I rarely block people in general, not that there are few trolls.
But sure, if you want to increase the size of my block list, calling my post “some bs” just because my experience is different from yours is probably a good start. Let’s see if I’ll stick around long enough to get so annoyed that I need to block you or if I just walk away.
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You seem to enjoy being annoying for the sake of being annoying, but that doesn’t mean anyone else does. Seems like a pretty lonely hobby actually.
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I pity you.
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ive debated these maga morons for nearly a decade. i’m done. there’s no amount of logic or facts that will ever save them.
Devils advocate hat ON: I recon they feel the same way about you. What’s the play? Just ignore them while they take over your country? Do you think that you can solve the problem without infringing on peoples right to listen to whatever they want?
Not sure what the play should be, but evidently debating them online in good faith isn’t it. Violent revolution perhaps.
there are other, more effective ways to fight back than to argue with an inanimate object.
I’m with you, to a degree. If I see someone clearly acting in bad faith and/or trolling, then they are just wasting my time.
However, if we have a disagreement of opinion, I don’t feel right about blocking that someone. This would lead to a lonely existence, because the odds of having someone that agrees with every single one of my opinions is pretty low, so that means over time, I’d have blocked everyone.
How could I possibly have the slightest bit of nuanced idea of what other people talk about, if i just block it?
Because you read (past tense) it before you blocked it?
also- It’s certainly not hard to get a nuanced idea of others non-nuanced ideas.
Or read up on what their ideas are and not engage with the worst version of a person with that belief system.
Because you read (past tense) it before you blocked it?
That’s the whole point. I don’t want a “past tense” understanding of what is being said and written by “people”.
Obviously spammers get blocked, cause they make it hard to read. The rest are just words and opinions. All of which I’m perfectly capable of dealing with.
Ok, blocked.
Just kidding. Debate is good, but unfortunately some of them is done in bad faith, either just for trolling, or because the oposing side just has no intention of even considering your arguments.
In both case, blocking is justified.I tend to steer clear of online debate, i just want to see what is being written so that I don’t get a skewed view. The only way to avoid the echo chamber is likely not participating in social media at all.
If I have the energy for it, I browse some classical forums, where you have to go through every reply. Kind of tedious, but atleast every post gets the same “weight”.
As a leftist, as a progressive, I long for a world where I never have to see these comics again. It’s not that I disagree with them, they’re just so goddamn annoying and low hanging fruit shit
It’s been fascinating seeing this platform slowly turn against Pizzacake as more of her stuff gets posted.
If some rando did this exact scenario in ragemaker and posted it, with no connection to pizzacake, everyone would be talking about how relatable it is. I’d wager you’d be included in that ‘everyone’.
Well that’s kind of the point. It’s low hanging fruit because everyone agrees with it. No one thinks you are obligated to argue with others, which is the straw man’s position. It’s not that you don’t have a right to block critics, the question is “When is it a good idea?”.
It sounds like a lot of people think the author does it too liberally, which can lead to an echo chamber. Most people would say creating a lawsuit against your critics is also an overreaction, but people have also been saying she gets harassed a lot. That makes it more reasonable if true.
And then if that rando did it every day for like five years, I’d get tired of their shit too.
except the situation you’re describing is not happening.
So downvote and move on. The moaning about her is even more dull and repetitive.
“droll and repetitive” is some serious projection my apparently terminally online friend. I’ve never heard of this artist before in my life
Droll means amusing. You might have meant dull instead
Yeah, that’d be autocorrect.
Well this goes both ways
it does. the trolls never want to block people though. if they did, they wouldn’t have anyone to play with.
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Freedom of Speech != Obligation to Listen
Yeah and it goes both ways. She can post her crap, and haters can hate. She can ignore them and they choose not to ignore her. That’s where the conflict comes in.
The whole DMCA thing only made it worse. She exposed herself as a target for hatred and the haters love nothing more than for the enemy to expose their glowing weak point to shoot at.
But that’s because if we want copyright and parody to coexist, they need to have limits. Parody gets a blanket license to reuse source material endlessly unless you can justify the expense of an attorney to hit a moving target that may be made from hundreds of individuals mocking your content. That’s kind of shitty and almost impossible to defend against. It’s like how you can’t copyright a tweet because it is too short. But you should be able to copyright a body of tweets because aggregated they are (checks notes) not too short. In her case the bonehurtingjuice community turned into an active troll campaign to target every one of her comics to harass and demean her.
So in this case I do think the internet trolls on bhj were shitheads and were in the wrong. Even if that coexists with my opinion that her comics kind of suck. And frankly I think the current legal system is at fault for not having adapted to coordinated trolling. She’s probably going to get killed by one of those gamergate nutjobs now that she’s been doxxed.
The issue with doxxing that really frustrates me as a coder is that individual developers and companies are never held responsible for making negligently insecure software.
Why is this nsfw?
As obvious and uncontroversial as this comic may seem, the message still needs to be said.
I really don’t think it does.
And you saying that is why it does need to be said.
It needs to be said because someone thinks it doesn’t need to be said? That doesn’t make sense.
You’re really going to town in here, aren’t you?
Eh, kinda
Care to elaborate? Or are we edging “I just don’t like that my opinion is bad and people have the right to tell me fuck off”?
It’s something we already know, and it’s said often enough that it’s common knowledge.
Like I said in another comment, most of her comics I react to with a “no shit”. She’s stating the obvious.
I really hope these comics don’t surge here like they did on reddit. It’s not wrong, it’s just such low effort. Its just pandering.
Maybe youre leaning more towards its a circlejerk? But I mean if its a circlejerk about disowning naxis and other annoying people I say pass the grease
Circlejerk, preaching to the choir, stating the obvious, whatever you want to call it.
It’s something we already know, and it’s said often enough that it’s common knowledge.
Ok, capitalism is the root of most if not all of the evil in today’s Western society, and that we’d all be better off without it.
I see this point of view expressed on Lemmy quite frequently.
Should I not share that even though it’s been shared 10s, 100s, 1000s of times before? Do I as a participant in society have the freedom to voice what I believe, regardless of whether it’s a majority or minority position?
Seems like you’re advocating for silencing free speech, which is idiotic.
“Commom Knowledge” isn’t comon among a LOT of idiots this comic is aimed at.
Assuming it was common knowledge to don’t be a nazi is how we got all these nazis running around
Exactly
the message still needs to be said.
No it doesn’t, because this shit is just ragebait.
How? It says nothing rageworthy
Uh… to whom?
Gosh I really don’t like this art style but it’s better than whatever I can draw so whatever.
Pizza Cake’s art style is at least better than their humour. Absolute garbage comedic insight.