This is me looking at myself cause I use both lol
Wait, Linux users are elitist assholes?
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wouldn’t you be if you spent 25 years hearing Windows admins preaching about how much better windows is than Linux?
I mean, I’m bitter AF about it and give the MS vendors a good ribbing now and again.
If Windows was so great, why would WSL even be needed? unless their whole plan was to attempt to interfere with the Linux market and tempt people who left to come back.
too bad they went full psycho with 11.
Linux community: why don’t more people use Linux? Also Linux community: LOL LOOK AT THESE STUPID FUCKERS TRYING LINUX WRONG, LETS ALL GO SHIT ON THEM
goddamn do yall deserve eachother and your 0.01% OS share or whatever meaningless percentage of the OS market you represent.
As a counterpoint to all of the people saying that you’re overreacting:
They’re right.
However, I think the sentiment of your comment is valid and correct. Memes like this do ultimately serve to alienate newer Linux users.
I think people are mostly responding to the way that your comment is worded, which conveys a much stronger reaction than is necessary for something that ultimately doesn’t cause very much harm.
Nobody is happy when you call them out for marginalizing people they view as inferior. I get the same reaction when call out family members being blatantly racist at family gatherings. I don’t care about the reactions of people who choose to engage only with my tone, they’re not here to interact with me or my opinions in a meaningful way. Last, I don’t believe I overreacted at all. I called out shitty alienating behaviour in response to a meme that implies an outgroup community is disgusting or inferior based on their operating system choice. As I see it the tone of the meme was significantly more insulting than the tone of my response.
You have to consider that your tone is important when trying to make a point.
It doesn’t help to call someone out in a way that’s callous and without any consideration toward how they may feel about being called out. All it does is elicit a strong emotional reaction which often results in them doubling down and being defensive of their behavior.
If you call someone out gently, and they’re not willing to listen, then you can ratchet it up a little depending on the severity of the behavior… until you reach a point where it’s clear that you’re not going to get anywhere.
So yeah, again, it’s toxic behavior to alienate a subset of Linux users when the community is already very fragmented. But your comment wasn’t just saying the behavior was shitty, it was also implying that the people who engage it in are shitty people. I understand that’s (hopefully) not what you meant, but humans tend to think that behavior==identity and it takes effort to override that. Naturally, when the quality of one’s person is in question, they’re going to be quite defensive.
I feel like I’m being admonished by a schoolteacher and honestly I probably deserve it. You’re probably right but I’m grumpy about it and need to re-read this later when I’m less grumpy about it
One of the main points of using Linux is so that you don’t have to use Windows. Like I get WSL is useful in certain scenarios, but it’s whole existence is basically counter to why the majority of Linux users use Linux.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooosh
How?
Encouraging the use of WSL to new Linux users is asinine. It’s a niche tool with a shitload of bugs and caveats, not something that should be widely used as a daily driver. It’s not “shitting on” anyone to tell them they shouldn’t be using WSL as their daily driver distro, just like it’s not “shitting on” someone to tell them not to use a hammer to drive in a screw.
I made a comment about the gatekeeping attitude of the community and you responded to me with a critique of WSL. The point I made sailed entirely over your head, hence the whoosh.
Saying “don’t use WSL as your first Linux distro” isn’t gatekeeping though, it’s just good advice.
Sure, that’s a valid position to have. Your position only relates to the OP meme in the loosest possible sense; the meme presents WSL users as inferior objects of disgust, which is clearly distinct from a claim that WSL is not the right starter distro for most people. As I see it you’re effectively whitewashing an elitist talking point by pretending it’s about helping new users, or you just didn’t notice the elitism because you are not part of the targeted out-group.
Lol brother, you were the one that introduced the context of “new Linux users”.
Linux community: why don’t more people use Linux?
I’m not whitewashing anything, I’m not being elitist. The only thing I’m trying to say is that if the Linux community wants to attract more users, we should absolutely be turning up our noses at WSL, like Homelander here in this meme. Because it’s a niche tool, not something a new Linux user should be daily driving.
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Do you realize it’s just a funny meme picture on the internet? We are on [email protected] and the picture is so mild, it’s just a friendly poke for fun and you just try to tear us a new asshole for that, damn, chill.
It’s not funny, it’s gatekeeping.
You’re gatekeeping.
this homeless trans is laughing because of all the concerns in the world you’re bent over a weak joke that contains nuance considering the character showing disgust and disdain. he’s a baddy! 🤣
I’m glad you found a laugh and a moment of lightness while you’re struggling, and I hope the world becomes a kinder place for you as soon as possible. This is still a joke where the punchline is “windows user (ie, outgroup) disgusting”, and I hope you can understand why it’s bad to put that kind of energy out in the world then pretend it’s a joke.
its funny even if its a dead horse. don’t sweat it. folks will tell on themselves given the right prompt.
People in glass housed shouldn’t throw stones.
All I know is that the WSL is a massive step-up from Cygwin or Mingw32. We’ve been here before. The most recent incarnation before WSL was a klunky VirtualBox VM steered by Packer. The idea that you can mash a few buttons and get an Ubuntu VM with filesystem mapping that “just works” is a huge improvement.
Edit: I really don’t get the vitriol anyone gets for using the WSL when it’s a problem the FOSS community has tried to solve three times over in the last 25+ years or so.
Yea… But I have 3 Linux VMs running in Hyper-V. That counts for something right?
It is honestly better
When using WSL, be sure to not mention anything about that when reporting bugs because that’ll just confuse the issue for the maintainers. They like having that casually mentioned about 20 messages into the troubleshooting process.
I’m a big fan of going on WSL forums and letting them know everything is working well for give or take 20 messages, then I let them know I need help troubleshooting.
Pff, issue reports should ask for the output of ‘uname -ar’. It clearly shows its wsl as wsl runs a special kernel
Aww, cry harder.
I started using Linux when it was Redhat, in the 1990s, and it came on a bunch of CDs.
And I use WSL in addition to Debian, Raspbian, and Ubuntu.
Knock this tribal bullshit off.
Some people hate practically it seems
CD’s?! Ooh La La Mister Fancy French man with the digital media! Back in our day linux came on a plastic 45 inside Fruity Pebbles cereal and it had loose crusty sugar in the grooves that introduced errors in X that meant the screen scrolled like an out-of-whack tv and you had to wait for the prompt to roll by so you could try another resolution that would core dump and spit you back to the A:\ drive and eject the disc into your shins like a frisbee! And that’s the way we liked it!
I started with Slackware. It came on floppies.
Now move to the back of the line youngster.
I’ll never forget the first time I finally got Linux 0.1 to boot on my abacus.
Aww, cry harder.
Some real pleasant people here.
Yeah, why would they post something like this to the community for serious takes about Linux?
Windows users when they see a wine user???
I’m glad wsl exists so I don’t have to bother with windows and people can still run my programs.
Apt. Wine is pretty disgusting as a beginner linuxer.
Proton however is incredible. An invisible solution that just works with no petformance impact.
And “hardcore tinkering” is just changing the version from a dropdown menu to get old games to work.
WSL is actually worse than people think it is , I tried doing android via using wsl and wanted to run emulator , the amount of work you have to put and still the result you get is sub norminal. And this was in my job which made the matter even worse because my boss thought I was slacking .
Most WSL users I know all run Linux at home; WSL is the best they can get at work.
True
World Surf League?
Lol I thought they were random words, but no.
I’m not sure what Linux users have against the World Surf League either, saw some footage from Margaret River the other day and it looked like a great event!
It’s so true though
I even look at myself that way whenever I use wsl on my gaming box to hop onto another system. I disgust myself.
Born to Gentoo+i3, forced (by work) to WSL
For once I think I agree with Linux purists.
Fuck I might need a shower.
Why not just use both?
Install Windows in a VM on a Linux distro and use WSL there?
Wsl runs on hyper-v. I don’t think you can use it in a VM
When someone ask for help with a Linux issue: 🤩
It’s a wsl bug: 🤭
Open source now tho
What’s the benefit for that? Can you fork it and run a copy in windows (or is it too integrated in wondows) or is it just Microsoft wanting your free labour (bugfixes etc)?
Mom! Windows is doing EEE again.
At least you can look at how it works under the hood I guess
Oh yeah, that is true !
