What was her problem? She was badly-written.
I did wonder why they needed permission from the people forced to let him go in the first place
looks like the magic world’s lawyers were just as bad as their muggle counterparts, tbh.
way worse, in fact, when one reads about all the wizengamot proceedings.
“the ones I spied for weeks”
Words hard, apparently.
“only reason the doom is not doomed”
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I can empathize.
I’m a native speaker and sometimes even my words refuse to English right.
Genuine question from a non native English speaker here: what’s wrong?
It’s supposed to be “the ones I spied on for weeks”.
The ones on whom I spied for weeks. 😂
They left out the word “on” and the best that m137 has to contribute to the conversation is someone did a typo.
We would usually say “the ones I spied on”. English is the only language I’ve ever spoken and although it sounds weird to not include the word “on”, I really dont see why its necessary either.
Because “spied for,” and “spied with” are both options.
“I spied them” is a legitimate sentence, but it doesn’t mean covert surveillance in that sentence, only to have seen then, generally through some difficulty.
I think that’s just how British brain rot wording works. They all talk this way. Read some of their news paper headlines.
unlike those American headlines
Those last two are definitely intentional.
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It wasn’t an American who wrote “Foot Heads Arms Body.”
yes but that is an incredible and brilliant piece of writing, one I’d argue outstrips Baby Shoes Never Worn
Great teachers are constantly, and exponentially victims of overbearing administration. School administrators tailor to the worst, most immature parents who (I hope) don’t realize they are causing a situation where kids can run rampant and completely ignore their education. We do that because the school administrators aren’t there because they like kids or see the value of education. They are there because they have a high paid job that they don’t really need to work at if they can placate a small handful of very vocal parents and mostly keep up on paperwork and meetings. Those parents are going to figure out just how shitty they’ve been when their children get to college… College does not have to give a fuck. We’ve known this for a while. We keep removing rights from the teachers so that administrators don’t have to deal with any harsh situations. That might be specific to Ontario but honestly the sheer amount of people working in education here while people in need get denied access to the MANY programs we have makes me think like they’re just ignoring us and then bragging about having summers off and going home at 3pm.
I am not being harsh toward teachers. Quite the opposite. It’s those involved in education that have little to no experience in it that are clinging to cushy administrative jobs that I take big issue with.
His legal guardians do not consent to him even attending the school in the first place, to the extent where he needs to be broken out to attend every year. But no field trip.
Crappy writing <3
To be fair (while much of the writing is definitely shitty) they wanted to keep him in the school non-stop at this point because the people out to get him were becoming more prevalent and his enemies more powerful. So the intention to keep him safe.
But she probably could have directly said that. Most of the problems in the book could have been solved or entirely avoided if Harry would have listened to what he was told by Dumbledore and others
That’s really not true. Here are counter examples in each book:
- The stone was safe with his help, and Quirrel probably would’ve gotten it eventually w/ Voldemort’s help
- The school would’ve been closed and Voldemort would’ve returned as Tom Riddle’s memory
- Buckbeak would’ve died, and that’s about it
- You win this one; Harry would’ve lost if he didn’t cheat and Barty would’ve needed another plan
- Not sure if there’s a way to get Harry’s prophecy without him, so maybe you win this too?
- He basically does what Dumbledore wants the whole time
The real issue is that the adults all suck. Surely an adult could design challenges a few first years couldn’t crack, or figure out where the entry to the chamber of secrets is. If Harry followed their rules, things could’ve been much worse because the adults are largely incompetent.
IIRC McGonagall does say something similar in the book. The movie just leaves it out. Harry asks if she could sign it, and she says something along the lines that she can’t, because she’s not his guardian, and she also wouldn’t anyway because she doesn’t think he should leave the grounds.
Honestly, it goes with the poor writing that she says it too. She really hammers in the point that he’s supposed to be scared of Black, because she doesn’t trust the reader to remember it for the twist I guess.
If Harry wasn’t a self entitled prick there would be no books.
He’s 13 and all of his friends were going on a fun field trip. Wanting to find a way to go sounds pretty normal
That’s not what all the books are about.
Lmao truly though. I read these books again when I was much older and was just consistently pissed off at him lol. I know he was a kid but holy hell lol. He got a lot of people unnecessarily killed even
She didn’t want to undermine parental rights for, you know, reasons.
The plot demanded a reason for him to stay behind.
You and your reasonable explanations! We came here to be mad about the author!
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The doom is not doomed.
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Im pretty sure its because they were trying to keep him on campus to keep him safe and used that as a bs excuse and he didn’t realize it until later cause he’s a kid. Idgaf about Harry Potter, haven’t picked up a book in 20 years, but I remember this.
Yes, as there was a killer on the loose, suspected to be super crazy and in the area. In which case, would it be safe for the other kids?
It’s not logical whichever way you look at it.
It’s because they thought Black was going for retribution on Harry so they probably figured that he was largely laser focused on him. Though he did blow up a bunch of folks in their eyes so that logic doesnt really hold water.
TLDR: Rowling dumb and doesn’t even think things through within the same book.
Yes, but they also thought he was a crazy psychopath, on top of blowing people up. So, still not the kid friendly environment that would be suitable, if logic is used.
But they are kids books, so it’s not a big deal. However, she’s not a genius author. She struck it lucky. Like many, she thinks it’s merit based, now that she’s a billionaire. And she uses that big brain to trample on the rights of others. If she wasn’t a billionaire, she’d be the crazy psychopath she wrote about (who in this case turned out to be a good guy in the books; she wouldn’t ).
But as an extra layer, weren’t Dumbledore and Co in on Sirius being framed? I thought it was low key known that Sirius “being a bad guy” was just Ministry propaganda or whatever.
Spot on. Sirius Black escaped an inescapable prison for the sole purpose, it was widely believed, of murdering Harry. The permission slip was just a convenient excuse to keep Harry protected.
RE: idgaf, you’re allowed, you know. You can love the art but dislike the artist. Or like the artist if you wish. I’m personally indifferent to Rowling but consider the Harry Potter series to be clever and highly entertaining. I find it much more engaging than The Silmarillion.
Also, people are too eager to cast judgement on each other, and too often forget that people have layers, like onions. Or a parfait. My dad was a Fox News, AM talk radio, Facebook propaganda cult follower whose politics were buggered beyond repair. He occasionally spouted racist or bigoted or otherwise insensitive bullshit. He was also a model father and husband, selfless, generous, kind, soft spoken, and loved by everyone who had ever met him. To know how eager much of the world would be to cancel him for his political beliefs breaks my heart, and I’m grateful he was horrible with technology, well-shielded from the summary judgement of social justice warriors.
She literally funds transphobic hate groups the fuck you mean to egear to cast judgment.
I find it much more engaging than The Silmarillion.
That is understandable. Silmarillion is like a collection of extended footnotes and a cosmology rulebook.
talk about reaching deep to find that strawman
if my parfait or onion has a shit flavored layer in it, I’m throwing the whole thing into the trash
especially if that parfait then uses it’s vast wealth to make more of the world shit flavored
bad writing from an uncompassionate TERF dip shit loser. thats why.
“the wizards used to shit on the floor and magic it away before they discovered toilets”
fuckin’ drunk.
For the benefit of the many non-Brits complaining about how unrealistic it is: the Leaving School Grounds Unsupervised form is (when I grew up at least) a huge social divider and Big Deal in a lot of British schools. There was a whole micro industry at mine where the ~70% of kids who were allowed out would provide delivery services for sweets and pop for the 30% who weren’t.
JKR didn’t just pull this whole thing out her ass, it was something that most British kids will have instantly related to. (She’s still an awful human mind)
We had something similar, but it was for a specific reason, like going to a job (we had an OJT class) or attending classes at the local college. It was only available in the last two years of high school too.
There wasn’t a weird industry or anything, kids would just skip if they wanted to, and nobody policed the lunch hour or anything. But it’s kinda similar I guess.
I find it hard to believe that a school that has the students fight world level villains on their own while the teachers do fuck all would be hung up by a permission slip.
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Yeah, kind of my point was that y’all are viewing it as a “field trip”, which is typically a specific event that’s infrequent, carefully organized and supervised, which is a whole different beast to the generic standing instructions of “we’re not going to supervise your kids if they wander off school grounds” slip.
For the former case it’s pretty much understood that everyone in class should be able to join a field trip, but for the latter it’s not unusual for parents to decline and therefore teachers would absolutely be expected to enforce the rules.
I know shes a bigot and hates trans people, but i do think people are overlooking the fact that this was a kids series. This wasnt meant to be read and deconstructed and analyzed by adults.
When I read the books as a kid I really enjoyed the world. Some things made me pause or think, but for the most part it was a fun adventure. When I read it again in college, I couldn’t get through the first or second book because of how poor I found the writing.
But again, it is a children’s book. I dont reread Famous Five or Noddy anymore either. I used to love the Redwall series, but when I went back to read a couple last year I found I couldn’t get into it as much as I did when I was 10.
Are they the best books or even the best kids books in the world? Definitely not. Is she a brilliant writer? Definitely not. But were the stories engaging and fun and did they give a lot of children an intro to reading and fantasy? 100%. They became popular because even kids who hated reading enjoyed these stories. She might be a miserable awful person now but that doesnt change what these books did for a lot of good people too.
I’d argue that the series had WAY too much death, war, sexism and slavery to get a pass on being children’s books that are beyond scrutiny, that’s just my opinion though.
The last 2 books had definitely grown past children’s labeling. Neither the writing nor the worldbuilding has grown alongside them, though.
I think that’s part of what made the series so popular though. She did a great job at letting the characters in the books grow up alongside the readers. Someone who read the first book when they were 7 could enjoy the last book when they were 14.
I haven’t re-read the books since I finished them sometime around that age, so I won’t comment on the world-building or writing outside of recalling that I was completely absorbed and fascinated when I read them.
Exactly! As they go on, they get more and more young adult, which is fantastic.
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And it’s a terrible love story.
This implies that the students are insured in some way and that the legal system of the wizard world recognizes the same legal guardians of the muggle world AND that wizardy insurance companies are okay with students learning dangerous spells that can result in serious injury without guardian’s explicit permission, but does not approve of field trips to safe villages without explicit permission. Or that the crazy, racist, homophobic and transphobic J. k is also dumb.
100% this. The Dursleys have zero clue what’s happening there, and everyone knows they don’t care. These kids get into mortal danger every year and they don’t tell the Durselys about that.
Meaning that Rowling probably got screwed out of a field trip when she was 9 because of a lost permission slip, and this is her resentment embodied.
