I’m what’s known as a chronic hopper. I’m always on the lookout for new software, especially when it comes to browsers and Linux distros, but I’m here to ask you about browsers specifically. I’m fairly sure I know most of them, but I want to really know why you run what you do. In return, I will give you my experiences with the browsers that I have tried and why I hopped from them if I did.
Don’t feel the need to read the list. I’ll be more than happy to just hear your answers!
- Firefox: One of the grand-daddy browsers. I honestly didn’t hop from it due to anything specific, but more that I’ve used it so much that I needed a change.
- Chrome: I used this very little. Just being on it made my skin crawl. However, I still keep it around in a container because some sites straight up tell you that you have to use it to access their dashboards or application forms. While that is now much less these days (as most things will now ask for Chrome or Firefox now), it still does happen, especially on dated government sites that get updated like… once a decade…
- Opera GX: Yup, I fell into the hype. I think I used this for all of a month before recognizing it as over-engineered and needlessly bloated. It pulls you in with gimmicks and pretty lights and that’s pretty much all it has. A browser that’s literally built on smoke and mirrors and pushy advertising.
- Brave: There’s been a lot of huff about Brave lately, but back when it launched and wasn’t very mainstream it was the smoothest and a relatively more secure browser than the competition. There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave. The problem started when they began to opt you into gimmicks and extra things you didn’t need without your permission. That was a turnoff for me. I outed before things really went downhill. -Floorp: A random find from exploring Linux for the first time. I was running Pop!_OS and found it on the store. I’ve never experienced such a smooth Firefox fork before. It really is barebones, but has a lot of customization built in. Instead of the custom options piling on one another, most of them change how it works on a foundational level. The style of your UI and tabs, side tabs, fading URL bar buttons, and a lot more. At it’s core, Floorp is a stripped down and security first FF fork developed in Japan. I took the time to translate the TOS pages, and most of it is promising that there is no data collection. It’s fairly vetted and trusted from what I’ve researched.
- Vivaldi: Still one of my favorite browsers when I went back to Windows, but probably has the most bugs I’ve seen in any browser. It got better once they swapped to React portals, but Vivaldi (Windows version) would occasionally freeze my whole PC or else I’d BSOD. This was a combination of the browser’s stability and making my own custom CSS for it, but overall it frustrated me more than other browsers.
- Qutebrowser: Still one of my favorites, and a must-have for me even if its not my main browser. I was diving into the Vimium extension for Firefox, which in turn led me to Neovim, which led me to Qutebrowser. There’s a few main points as to why I don’t use it as my go-to. First, its not very good at squashing first-party ads. Even though you can combo custom ad block lists, Brave adblock, and python-adblock, it just can’t seem to get them all. Second, I rely on my history when browsing YouTube and if you want to get around ads, your best bet is to write a custom shortcut that opens links in MPV/VLC. There are Greasemonkey scripts that should increase ad speed to a fraction of a second and auto-skip, but none of them ever worked for me and most are ancient.
- Nyxt: My next logical step after Qutebrowser was Nyxt. However, I’ve never managed to figure out how to work it. I haven’t really done any extensive bug testing, but when it opens its just a blank window and there’s not much I could find for documentation on it. Part of me wonders if there’s something that only trusted people know that gets it working, the other part wonders if I’m just missing some sort of library or dependency. From here I went back to Floorp for a while. -Zen: I was very excited when I found this browser. Another Firefox fork, it aims to be much like Arc browser, but adds a lot more on top of that. However, in recent months I find they’ve become a little too ambitious. If you asked me two months ago, I would tell you that Zen felt just as smooth as Floorp, but these days its much, much laggier. The scrolling is choppy, the pages load slow. I use the same exact extensions on Zen as I do Floorp and the difference now is night and day. I’ve also tested this on fresh, no-extras no-extension installations and the results are the same. Zen tends to change things and instead of letting the user opt into the additions or changes, they force the changes in their updates. That type of development model just isn’t really for me. I don’t want to have to re-figure out how to use my browser every few days.
So there it is. I hop a LOT. Honorable mention is Ladybird and I’ve tested it a little. It is extremely alpha, being just a portal with the basics you need for browsing, but I’m amazed at what they’ve done so far and very excited for it’s release. For now I’ve returned to Floorp and am very happy with it. I’m very curious to know why you like what you do, whether its just because its what you’ve used for a long time or if there’s something that you can’t do without.
Also, please excuse me if this question has been asked before. I didn’t want to necro an old post and I want to be able to reply and ask more questions! I’ve seen many posts discussing a single browser, but I want a more general view. I’m very interested, because the Lemmy community often values their privacy and their rights, which is a major factor in choosing software for me.
Edit: I feel like I’m answering very quickly, but want you to know that I’m not a bot nor using AI. I type at 110wpm in Dvorak. Typing is a huge hobby of mine and would never use AI to do something I love to do for me. I’m set on getting to 200wpm (100 was my first goal). That being said, I can’t answer everyone, so I’m sorry if I missed your reply!
Librewolf. Firefox as a backup. Chrome as a backup-backup.
IronFox. Vanadium as a backup.
I’m up to my neck in privacy settings, systems, extensions, etc. LW does everything I need, with the exception of a couple different sites (glares at cpanel). I have been rocking it for a couple years now. IronFox is a fork of Mull, which is now defunct. Vanadium comes with GrapheneOS and cannot be removed, so it gets the backseat treatment (it’s fine - but I need my extensions and deep settings, yeah yeah it’s supposed to be more secure but safer isn’t necessarily also more private).
Plus, LW is a fucking wolf browser. Hello. Wolves are #1, and this statement is absolutely not biased because I have a hybrid wolf fursona. Absolutely not. 0%.
(maybe like 5% okay wolves are awesome)
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lol! I just grabbed librewolf-bin after talking about it here (actually, I’ve almost got it. I lost track and forgot to accept the yay prompts, lol).
Have you looked into creating your own local hosted homepage dashboard for tracking your servers and such? Its something I’m very interested in doing, but I need to learn from the ground up. There’s so many AI answers now, much of it incorrect, that its getting more difficult to learn things on my own these days.
I use uh, oh what’s it called, Homearr? Yeah, that’s the one. It makes it easy for me to access services when I can’t remember the names (see above lol). It’s only for server… services (at least for my setup), I haven’t really personalized it. I use a tab group extension (name escapes me) and that way I have general stuff, local server, vps, etc etc and that helps keep thing from going nuclear, but I still have a lot of tabs - last time I checked I was nearing 1k. That’s with FreshRSS and Linkding, in an attempt to curb the tab madness…
Heimdall to host the links. SpeedDial is an in-browser alternative if self hosting is not an option.
Holy. Its a good thing tabs can go inactive now, lol. I saw an extension that allowed you to convert tabs to lists so you didn’t need them open and you could even port your tab lists to other devices without the need for syncing… I think it was called OneTab? Yeah, just checked.
I recommended it to a friend who is a similar tab user and he uses it quite a bit now.
I use Firefox and Librewolf.
I’ve used Firefox for a long tine, and I strongly favour it as the only true independent browser engine left. Everything else is under Google or Apples control, and many of the various chrome forks are commercial and compromised. I dont trust Brave or Vivaldi in terms of privacy. And google has severely limited privacy options in chromium based browsers with its recent changes.
Mozilla is far from perfect and I’m disturbed by some of its actions but it remains the least bad option. Librewolf adds a layer of privacy and separation that I like although its not my main browser. I main Firefox with lots of privacy extensions.
I do have chromiun and chromium ungoogled installed and exclusively for streaming video. Not because Firefox isn’t capable but because I have loads of extensions in Firefox so its easier just to contain all my subscribed streaming services in its own browser and not have to faff with DRM or ad block issues. I watch YouTube in Firefox, but use Chromium to watch BBC, Channel 4, and Netflix (when I had it). I use Jellyfin media player to stream my own content.
I’ve been meaning to check out Jellyfin. I’ve been dabbling in Stremio lately and did look into Kodi for a bit. I think Plex is now pulling some shady business? So my next stop is Jellyfin.
I think there was just a post on Lemmy (maybe !SelfHosted) saying that Plex have just changed their terms to allow them to sell users’ data to third parties.
https://www.privacyguides.org/en/desktop-browsers/
The default browser for any operating system that isn’t created by Microsoft or Google is probably suitable for most people.
This looks like a good read. I’m sure many of the Firefox recommended settings can be applied to it’s various forks, too. Thank you for this! I’ve got it bookmarked and will be checking it out soon.
Firefox bc fuck chrome
Number one on the list of why you should use Firefox, lol. Fuck Chrome.
yea, fuck gogol, fuck krom
Firefox, Floor and Brave (Brave to play DRM content)
Floorp and Firefox can play DRM, I think. There’s a checkbox in the settings, at least. I’ve never tried it because I use third party apps to play DRM media.
I’m a filthy causal… I use Safari on Mac and iOS. It’s fine. It works. I don’t really care that much about my browser. On Linux I like Firefox, but on my RaspberryPi’s I just use Chromium. It’s fine.
Firefox on pc, I’ve been using it for years and it has served me well. On the phone I use fennec.
Browser is the one of the few softwares I’m picky about and won’t change. I’ve used Firefox for so many years now, my entire workflow revolves around it.
Containers has been a game changer for me. The screenshot tool is also excellent.
On iPad, I use Orion since it supports Firefox/Chromium extensions.
On my Android phone, Firefox again.
Thanks for this. I will check it out on iPad.
Vivaldi as my main browser and Librewolf as my second. I love the tab management and workspaces on Vivaldi, there’s nothing else like it that I’ve found. I use librewolf for all my docker local host needs. I actually really quite like it and would probably switch over but the workspace/tab thing keeps me on Vivaldi.
The closest thing I’ve found to Vivaldi tab management without installing a bunch of custom CSS and extensions is Zen Browser. Zen would be my favorite browser if it was a little lighter, but it’s worth checking out if you like Vivaldi, imo.
I tried Zen and while it was really nice looking it didn’t quite jive with me. One of my students suggested Floorp today, might mess around with it this weekend.
Zen and Floorp both have multiple UI designs you can change through the settings. I think Zen only has side-style tabs, though. Floorp is more malleable and has several UI variants plus many options to change how it works alongside integrated Tree Style Tabs support.
If you don’t want all the customization and such, Librewolf would be the choice. It’s a “just the basics” Firefox fork. No additives, no telemetry, nothing. The settings page is incredibly short, lol.
I’ve been using Zen for about a month now and I’m very happy with it. I like the design and feel of it, and it’s actively being developed all the time. Don’t think I’ve had any significant bugs (except a few very minor ones) or issues whilst using it yet.
Cromite. A de-googled, hardened fork of Chromium. Not perfect by any means. But it gets the job done admirably.
Ironfox on mobile and qutebrowser on my computer.
Including browser names in bold.
My strong preference is toward Pale Moon, but I have been using it less and less lately. Instead when I want to use a more standards-compliant (i.e non-Blink) rendering engine, I use SeaMonkey, which includes a browser, an email/newsgroup/RSS client, and an IRC client.
Lately though, I flip between Firefox, Waterfox, Librewolf, and Tor Browser - they’re all just “Firefox, and this thing that could be an addon if addons still worked right”. I truly despise the fact that they moved to Google WebExtensions, and have so many other Google shackles - so I’m glad that they’re losing the money.
Oh, I also use Links in my terminal. It’s a good alternative to curl.
I gotta check out some TUI browsers someday, I like the idea of being able to browse through my terminal. I’ve never heard of Pale Moon! I’m excited now and will be going to check it out ASAP.
What about the Mullvad browser? Seems to work well and is very privacy focused. I’m surprised no one else has mentioned it yet…
There was a time when nearly everyone ran Brave
Wut
For real - I didn’t know what to make of such a completely false statement.
Lol, brief time and more in the general public. Very brief time, before it even had a mobile app. I was still on Reddit then, and it was the number one recommended everywhere. I’m foggy, but I believe it didn’t even have the wallet at the time (though correct me if I’m wrong, because I may be).
I’ve been following browser trends since Netscape Navigator, and I catch the small shifts, no matter how brief. Though, admittedly, it may have just been the groups I ran in that used it. I can’t speak for everyone, just what I saw at the time.
I doubt it ever, even for a single day, cracked the top 3 downloads for a browser. Maybe top 3 mobile browsers in terms of downloads over a brief stretch, but not in terms of market share overall
Oh, no I doubt that as well. Like I said, the communities I ran in were all praising it and recommending it at the time. I’ve seen the graph charts for browser downloads. The top 3 are monoliths. But Brave did stand out for a time.
This ia what they call an echo chamber. You took it at face value and didn’t question it.
I don’t disagree. I was young and stupid.
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