Ehh… fuck reddit. They made the bed
Only 100,000 times? Shit, do I need to be worried about getting sued too?
All porn subreddits are exempted
Jokes on you for crawling mostly synthetic text?
Bots? On Reddit!?
It’s more likely than you think!
Aren’t the copyrights still belonging to the original authors? What is Reddit suing for? The header and the footer? 🤔
In the filing, Reddit calls Anthropic a “late-blooming artificial intelligence (‘AI’) company that bills itself as the white knight of the AI industry,” alleging that “it is anything but.”
“This case is about the two faces of Anthropic: the public face that attempts to ingratiate itself into the consumer’s consciousness with claims of righteousness and respect for boundaries and the law, and the private face that ignores any rules that interfere with its attempts to further line its pockets.”
I mean, Reddit’s objection is that they want to sell the same data to Google to do the same training.
So who owns the data?
Reddit, created by users and Russian bots
Well they already sold it for 60 million and I didnt get a dime, so not me apparently.
They actually quite that in a real legal filing?
Jesus.
Did they ask /r/pettyrevenge to write that?
I dunno, it just reads like a reddit comment to me. 🤣
while half of reddit is infested with propaganda bots from russia.
Not just Russia.
Israel, US, China, North Korea, India and other countries… Nuclear Lobby, Fossil Fuel Lobby and countless other industry lobbyists… Private companies advertising their products…
But have you seen Rampart?
First of all, I have not seen it, and second off, I don’t want to see it. Lets focus on the Reddit lawsuit.
I hope they both choke on their own bots.
Oof owie my hemochromatosis.
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This is like one of those cases where I’m kind of hoping they both lose somehow. Neither party are right in this case, Reddit is trying to claim copyright over content they have no rights to, and anthropic shouldn’t be violating copyright without a licence.
But apparently you are actually allowed to violate copyright without a licence if you’re an AI company because apparently llms are the future? So I guess Reddit are going to lose, which will be funny.
Judge finds that anthropic has to pay restitution to the reddit users. Affirms that posts belong to users.
Well, I can dream.
Is it violating copyright to browse the web?
I think it’s acceptable as long as you don’t learn anything.
“Violating copyright without a licence” is a lovely turn of phrase. You must be the valedictorian of the Lemmy School of Copyright.
You mean Reddit, the company that would be very happy if Anthropic did the exact same thing, but paid Reddit first?
I am squarely on the reddit should lose this side.
Anthropic may be breaking copyright, but not Reddit’s copyright. Sure maybe Anthropic should be sued, but not by Reddit.
Actually this case could be a good thing. The whole question of who owns user generated content needs hashing out, because no one seems to actually know.
Obviously the logical answer would be that the people who created it own the content, but that’s never been officially decided.
The whole question of who owns user generated content needs hashing out, because no one seems to actually know.
It’s billionaires. They know. They just sometimes squable over it like two year olds. But they know. They pay lawyers to make it clear in thousand page terms of service documents.
Because that’s the only common sense conclusion to make, but that doesnt make rich fucks more money
Yeah maybe we shouldn’t have the case in the US where money rules everything.
EU get on it.
I hope they lose this case badly.
For the concerns I have about AI and stealing others work, I want to see Reddit burn for pretending that they are all about community and connection, while actively harming their users’ experience on the platform and attempting to profit off their content.
Yeah, something about a company making billions of dollars off completely user generated content and moderation just runs me the wrong way. As much as I hate Facebook, they at least pay people to do moderation there, and regularly update their site (as shitty as it is). I dont use either anymore, and I hope they die in a pit of flames owing billions to their shareholders.
Shareholders of these companies are likely you or I, as they are so big they are significant parts of index funds purchased by retirement funds and the like
Maybe, I still hope the go belly up. My 401k isn’t worth supporting companies that spread deliberate disinformation. (Looking at you facebook). Hell, when the stock market took a nosedive over tarrifs, I pulled my entire 401k and put it into foreign investments to try to further the crash. Literally the only thing these dipsticks understand is money, and if they’re losing it, thats when they pay attention.
A lot of people don’t realise that around 40% of the value of the S&P 500, and the majority of the Nasdaq 100 (i.e. QQQM) is big tech companies.
You could always build a portfolio that excludes companies you feel are unethical (for example, exclude oil and gas companies, exclude big tech, etc), but if you were to exclude all companies that have done something unethical then you’d probably end up with the S&P 0 (an empty list)
Maybe our quality of life, livelihood, and retirements should not be bound to the success of for-profit corporations?
This is the greatest grift of all time. Binding the average citizen’s, and governmental, wealth to the success of private corporations means that the economic success of those corporations, and the oligarchs who own them, become equal to “national security”; thus they are violently protected by the state, even when their actions and success are the antithesis of democracy.
I agree, but unfortunately it’s a reality of a capitalist society that large private companies have a lot of the wealth, and so people set themselves up for retirement by owning a very tiny part of those companies.
Our retirement plans didn’t used to be tied to the stock market. So clearly there’s a way to have retirement plans that don’t tie the entire middle class to the success of every large corporation.
Well, there’s the Defined Benefit pension, however typically these pension funds then become institutional investors who seek to own shares in… you guessed it - stocks.
At least those institutional investors are at least somewhat responsive to public pressure campaigns, as the state/local comptrollers are a politically appointed position.
When you give your money to a 401k, the fund manager gets all the voting rights on the corporate board and is generally only accountable to “A reasonable rate of return”
As much as I hate Facebook, they at least pay people to do moderation there, and regularly update their site
Facebook pays content creators too (https://creators.facebook.com/earn-money ), including for things other than videos (like photo/image posts). Platforms like YouTube do too, but as far as I know, Reddit doesn’t.
No matter who wins, everyone loses.
“We’re the front page of the Internet!”
“No, not like that…”
“We’re the front page of the Internet! …as long as the front page isn’t scraped…” >:(
100.000 accesses isn’t that much, right?
100,000 requests in 11 months? That’s about 12.5 requests an hour
Some legitimate users probably submit more requests than that
That’s hardly anything. Facebook has a bot accessing my server’s robots.txt multiple times a second. (My robots.txt used to say “Facebook bot go away” but now I just respond 404 to any requests from the Facebook bot. Pretend I said that all technical and stuff, it’s 2 am and I ought to go to sleep.)
That’s what I’m sayin! I make more than 12.5 requests an hour to lemmy and I’m a human I’m 90.00000000000001% sure
I wonder if I can get Facebook to give me some of that sweet, sweet cash for the inconvenience of telling them to bugger off…
Back in the day that’s about how many times I accessed reddit a week.
Long story short: They are not combatting bots on their platform. They sold training data to google and these guys aren’t paying, that’s why they’re suing.
