This is the language from the law that would permit the President to mobilize National Guard troops in a state without its Governor’s consent.
Edited to add: found the law here, it’s small and easy to read: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title10/html/USCODE-2011-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1211-sec12406.htm
If it is invoked, it says:
Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States
But I parse that “shall” to mean the Governor is forced to comply.
How long until he declares Martial Law?
I mean, this is technically exactly that, albeit in a much more limited scope.
The last time this was invoked was in 1965, during civil rights demonstrations in Alabama. But the Federal Government sent in the troops to protect the demonstrators from their local police.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-20/lbj-sends-federal-troops-to-alabama
This time it’s the other way around.
Honestly one of the coolest moments in US history.
I feel like the destruction of the image of the United States is in full swing.
The image of the United States was destroyed twenty years ago. It became irreparable in 2016. What’s happening now is, since Trump has destroyed all of America’s diplomatic and economic leverage, we can finally be honest about what we think of you.
Don’t worry, we agree, this is authoritarian imperialist colonizing shithole just like it always has been. Fascism isn’t new to America, this country was built on genocide and slavery, it’s a fucking cesspool.
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you’re absolutely right, we actively celebrate slavers and genocidal lunatics to this day.
While semantically I have issues with what you said, they’re not important. Overall, I agree with you. One thing I think the important take away should be the reasons I hate America is because it could be so much better. Not every American is blindly patriotic.
I cannot stress the so much better part enough.
That’s true. However, I’m afraid that the current regime is not only working to destroy the image of the United States, but to destroy what remains of democracy.
It seems that Drump and his henchmen will stop at nothing to establish a fascist state. I think the administration’s actions as a whole point strongly in that direction.
This is the declaration of Martial Law.
I hate Martian law
They will remove governors next.
I thought the next step was to dissolve the Senate and have the local governors use fear to keep us in line…
That is a lot harder to do, within the bounds of the law at least.
Ironically, though, California is one of a small handful of states that allow for recall elections of all elected office holders, up to and including the Governor. Recall that Arnold Schwarzenegger became Governer there due to a recall election. So if his goal is to start ejecting Governors he doesn’t like, California is a good place to start.
But Newsom has already survived one recall attempt, and since he seems to be the Next One Up for Democrats to nominate in 2028, Trump may not be eager to run a recall campaign that might lose, because Newsom will remind everyone that he “beat Trump” on the campaign trail. (And there is no guarantee that Musk won’t start tossing money at Newsom, who is enough of a schemer to accept it.)
within the bounds of the law at least.
Anything after this line is a moot point. They’re not operating within the bounds of the law.
This might be one area where our layered system of government is an advantage, though, because State governments have real power that is separate from the Federal Government. The Founders valued this, too: the 10th Amendment in the Bill of Rights explicitly says that any power not explicitly delegated to the Federal government belongs to the States (and to the people).
So even this President, who aims to rule as a dictator, can’t exercise every power unless the States roll over and let him. And say what you will about Newsom and his pivot to the Right, but he will not roll over for Trump, nor will other Democratic governors.
Other democracies devolved into Dictatorship because the dictator effectively captured all the levera of government. Here, that is extremely hard. Even after capturing Congress and (mostly) the Supreme Court, he still doesnt have it all.
Would be interesting if there is a way that people on the right actually join the left on this since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
The pattern I see is that most on “the right” here will not be able to break out of their disinformation bubble unless it affects them personally. So only the small portion who have seen someone they know (“one of the good ones”) harassed by ICE will respond.
That’s true. But I think we’re closer than ever to that break. The instinct of people on the left is to always rub a dogs nose in shit after it craps on the carpet. But we all know there’s better ways.
If people on the left create some bridges here and create awareness this could shift perspectives. There are lots of people on the right and left who will never be swayed on anything. But there’s a lot of people who can be. Especially over this stuff.
It gets harder and harder for trumpets to support him and this could be a bridge to far. So many right wing people’s core fear is Government doing this very thing. This might supersede their trump honeymoon
The disinformation bubble is tighter than a noose. They dont even know any of this is happening. An entire portion of the populace lulled into unconscious compliance by the state propaganda apparatus. There is no honeymoon stage, these people are lobotomized and sustained intravenously.
The disinformation bubble is tighter than a noose.
I bring this up a lot. That bubble exists partially because the left is so bad at finding ways to breach that bubble.
There are so many of these events that happen every day. But nobody on the left are making content to highlight this stuff. Everybody things the approach is either to argue online with walls of text or nothing at all.
I don’t know what is going on with the left but I think they’re going to go extinct
I’d love it if you were right, and this is what breaks Trump’s stranglehold on the electorate. but the advantage Trump and his friends have is that they have no shame, and lie with impunity. Those lies are attractive. Even now, I am reading that Trump released a statement saying that the troops are quelling the unrest in LA, while the Mayor says no troops have arrived. Which do you think folks in the Conservative Cinematic Universe believe?
It’s hard to break these folks out of their bubble when the side pushing the bubble can lie without consequences. Their opposition has the burden of logical consistency to overcome.
I think we just need to make more content. I feel we really under estimate memes and jokes as a way to get them to see how fucked things are. Its such a stupid idea but being able to quickly convey a message through a photo that can express an entire view point is really powerful. Nobody reads walls of text anymore. But the left seem to think we all need to win arguments online or its all pointless.
Seeing the internet flooded with artists drawing ICE patrols as Brown shirts and Trump as a devil will do more in a day then any leftist showing up to any protest.
Walz hit a nerve when he called them all weird. Because they are! We don’t need to double down on memes, but we do need to explain, in simple terms, why Trumpism is so awful.
And I don’t say “simple” because people are dumb, I say it because people are busy and don’t always have time to think things through.
You’re absolutely wrong. Subtle visual media is far more powerful than any direct argument. Just watch the debate between Ken Ham and Bill Nye it’s a perfect example. You can’t just tell someone they’re wrong and expect them to change their mind. People need to arrive at their own realizations.
That’s why creating content matters. We don’t engage with content the same way we do with people we consume it, reflect (often subconsciously), and move on. But over time, with enough content, those messages start to shape opinions. This shift will never happen if we rely solely on “facts and logic” to win arguments. People simply don’t operate that way.
At this point, after decades of the internet, it’s ignorant to think otherwise. We should all know better but somehow, we still don’t.
I think that, specifically, National Guardsmen and LEOs should be reminded that ICE’s game is to deflect outrage onto them. The Burger Team Weekend Commandos rush into stores and restaurants, wreck shop, abduct people, piss off the locals, incite unrest, and then run like pants-shitting cowards behind the NG and the Police while they clean up the mess and take the heat. Even worse, their service is a matter of public record, while ICE gets to hide behind masks. The double-standard is disgusting and I’m surprised more people aren’t pointing it out. Their jobs are being made so, so, so much harder than they already are because of how it continues to erode public trust.
Most likely, the NG is going to stand around on street corners while chasing ICE around town wiping their ass for them. Personally, I doubt most are happy about this arrangement.
For the record, I’m not a fan of cops or the military in principle. But I know if I was in their position as a peacekeeper I would be beyond furious at what the feds are doing. Keep in mind, they’re human too. Part of the game is to get everyone to hate each other for bullshit reasons.
I bet a lot are frustrated for what you just said.
The military is to protect all in the country. This thing where they pit the military against half the country is something that isn’t lost on the military. It makes it that much harder for them to do their job.
since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
No it isn’t and it never was. That was the excuse they used to cover their gun fetish. They always saw themselves as the shock troops of the authoritarian takeover, and the fact that they are delighted it’s happening is confirmation.
Disagree heavily. The right is a big umbrella term just like the left. I would put good money on it that a few groups are calling each other up and talking about this. I bet there will be big efforts to suppress this online.
They won’t.
All of their rhetoric is bullshit to obscure the fact that they hate brown people, queer people, people who aren’t their religion, just anyone they’re angry at, really.
It really is that simple.
They’ll believe, to some extent, what they are saying, they’ll tie themselves up in knots, but ultimately, they’ll default to anything that allows them to laugh when people they think they are better than are made to suffer.
The few that manage to resolve the cognitive dissonance and realize they are in fact hateful bigots, and that… that is bad?
At that moment, they are no longer right wing.
But I parse that “shall” to mean the Governor is forced to comply.
Under what penalty if the governor refuses to comply?
The constitution grants the authority for appointing national guard (“militia”) officers to the state. The governor hires those officers; the governor can fire those officers and disband their units rather than accept federalization.
The Confederacy was in a state of rebellion too. He’s equated standing up to ICE, which is seemingly similar to when the Bostonians stood up to and were massacred by the British, with the Confederate’s bombing of Ft. Sumter.
Microwave dispersal cannons can be blocked by a large poster covered in aluminum foil. Just be sure to attach it to a wood stake.
Sound cannons are loud enough to work through strong ear protection, but sound waves are still air pressure pulses. You can disrupt the flow of the pulse with a solid enough curved shield.
If necessary, storm matchs have their own oxidizer. You can light it and wind won’t put it out. Styrofoam and gasoline is sticky. Use that information however you want
Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don’t remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it’s too tight, turn it some more.
Edit: most military vehicles are diesel fueled. They are pretty thirsty, so be sure to share water with them. Right in the fuel tank is good enough.
Would hearing protection that electronically filters sound be able to cancel out sonic cannons?
You cannot electronically filter out sound. That’s not what they do. They just emit the same sound they hear in the opposing phase. This is risky with sonic weapons.
If you curve the aluminium foil somehow, you can actually refelct it back. They did tests on youtube where they used a flipped riot shield and it work.
Sounds like you could make a curved protest sign with plywood and then hide some foil between the plywood and a paper/cardboard layer for a fairly inconspicuous shield that can block and even reflect both microwave and sound cannons.
Sound cannons are actually pretty weird, in that they don’t work like you’d imagine them to work. They produce sound when multiple beams of ultrasound collide with an object, so if they’re pointed at you, you’re the one producing the sound that hurts you. That’s why they’re so effective.
Some people online have done some tests, and thin cardboard appears to be the best way to stop them. Put the thin cardboard before you, and it stops most of the sound. It can be the cardboard from a poster, if you have one.
Ear protection headphones (for workshops) also help, and their effectiveness is enhanced further by wearing small earplugs inside. Active noise cancelling headphones don’t help and can even be counter productive, so don’t use those.
The noise cancelling part was particularly fascinating. Not only was it ineffective, it amplified the sound. I think its because noise cancelling circuitry relies on the ability to create a signal frequency that cancels out the initial waveform. That’s all well and good, but I think the sound cannons use separate speakers out of phase. Since the noise cancelling headphones produce a signal in phase with the first frequency detected, the microsecond slight delay causes it to be added to a subsequent phase boosting the power.
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To be a little more pedantic, they send ultrasound frequencies and they “degrade” into regular audible sound waves when they collide with something (combination of harmonic effects and destructive / constructive interference). The reason they send ultrasound instead of using regular directional speakers is because it’s smaller wavelength is easier to aim so much more of the energy moves forwards, so you don’t hear much noise coming from the source itself.
That’s why they work for “crowd control”. A strong enough regular speaker would bother the operator too much.
Riot shield turned backwards for sound assault
microwave canons
I did not know about these, but some quick searches suggest that they pose a major threat to people’s eyesight as they can boil your retina before you really feel anything when used at a low strength.
Messed up these are used at protests, fuck these fascists.
Eh, from what I’ve watched “low strength” is still quick enough to trigger people to scatter.
Remember, it obeys r squared, so if they use it and want it to be effective at distance, they can’t reduce the strength a lot.
Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don’t remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it’s too tight, turn it some more.
If you’re worried about blood loss, there are some online resources for how to do first aid. I think https://www.stopthebleed.org/training/ was recommended last time this came up.
I read you need to be careful with tourniquets, because they’re quite painful and if used inappropriately can cause long term damage. Used appropriately they can save a life, but you don’t want them to be the first tool you reach for.
Long-term damage is only really a danger after a couple hours in a proper tourniquet. Something makeshift in order to survive to a hospital is always fine. It’s like CPR: breaking ribs is a small cost to pay for survival.
Yeah I think either DeviantOllam or Tacticool Girlfriend on YouTube says 2 hours. It might be in Ollam’s “Passport. Lawyer. Locksmith. Gun.” talk. Unfortunately I don’t have that info indexed yet.
That’s a fair point, and thank you for linking stop the bleed
Sanitary napkins and tampons for bleeding.
Old spark plugs are really handy for craft projects since you can break them and make pretty mosaics
Hey national guard members, get the fuck out of the way or get steamrolled. You’re not heroes.
This is the beginning of a nation wide revolution, from the democrats, but the republicans are not sad about it because it push the public away. They forget, or look to California, that Trump is incompetent and they vote him. It would not be the first President, that call demonstrates criminals or revolutionary’s and hunt them, to form a autocratic State…
ELI5, If Republicans in general don’t want federal control, they want de-regulation, then why they are supporting federal control of California?
They want small opposition, and they like to deregulate themselves.
They’re lying about that first part
They are only against federal control when it’s them who are being controlled. They are fine with it happening to other people. It’s how they can claim to be pro freedom out of one side of their mouth and anti-freedom with the other. Laws for thee, none for me.
This is extremely important to understand. As fun as it is, we really need to move away from the gotchas. The right wing are not consistent because they do not have an ideology. They are simply reactionary.
Because the Republican Party of smaller government and lower taxes no longer exists. Now we have the MAGA Nazis, who are for lower taxes on the wealthy, higher taxes on the poor/working class, and an much larger, extremely oppressive authoritarian police state. California has a lot of money, and a lot of foreigners, and MAGA wants to control it all.
As far as deregulation goes, that will go to the corporations that pay for it. Corps that play ball will get deregulation, corps that don’t play ball, will have their regulations tightened.
You just described every authoritarian state that has existed since the beginning of humanity. Unfortunately, I must conclude that the United States is no longer a democratic country. I do not see how the citizens of the United States will free themselves from the clutches of the tyranny that will occur in the coming weeks/months.
Authoritarian states are created overnight, but disappear after a long agony. Corporations turn into clients of the dictator because that is the only way to survive, decent people will become mute passive supporters of the tyranny with the thought “I am not like <them> and I have nothing to fear”.
Perhaps the only bright spot is that the dictator is old and has no chance of ruling for the next 10, 20, 30 years. Unless the system they are setting up is super efficient and will allow the formation of an Autocracy, a dynasty created by dictatorship. Knowing the efficiency of the American system, that is a real possibility and the next elections will be a farce.
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In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.
As I understand, this is not a thing the regular Armed Forces can do, correct? I thought that only the National Guard could conduct non-training operations on US soil and/or against US citizens, barring an invasion or secession. Does anyone know more than me about this?
Yes. Out of the federal military branches, only the coast guard can: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Heh. One picture says what’s on most every reasonable Americans mind.
Oh this ia what they want. They are chomping at designating leftists as enemies of the state.
The government in general is crumbling and it’s corrupt “leaders” will need to ramp up authoritarianism as the constituents begin to question it’s legitimacy.
They’ll make use of dissenters by putting them in work camps, easing the need for cheap labor, and allowing the remaining population a chance at hiding from their duty to protect constitutional rights by continuing to provide material comforts.
Always have been Abbie Hoffman is a decent example. Plus like the whole McCarthy thing.
I wonder now what my ex-housemate thinks of Trump. He is one of those centrist types who thinks excessive power from one side needs to be counteracted by the other, but mostly pay lip service to the right. He dislikes the right in his country which ruled for 13 years and voted centre left, but supports Trump and right wing parties in Europe because of too much immigration in the West. But at the same time, he supports Palestine. My ex-housemate means well for the most part, but he is one of those men who are vulnerable to disinformation.
He dislikes the right in his country which ruled for 13 years and voted centre left, but supports Trump and right wing parties in Europe because of too much immigration in the West
If feels like you’re burying the lede here.
“In his country” suggests he’s an immigrant. This means he too, is an immigrant right? How does he resolve this hypocrisy? Or when he says “too much immigration in the West” is he just a racist and is referring to people with different color skin?
Or the person you’re replying to, talking about an EX-house mate is the the immigrant. You’re reading suggestions that aren’t there.
There are two possible scenarios for who is the immigrant. Both of them make the ex-housemate look like an asshole.
The other that you’re referring to would mean the housemate was complaining about OP, as OP was the immigrant that he says there is too much of. I mean its possible, but I wouldn’t expect OP to then say “My ex-housemate means well for the most part”.
We are both immigrants. But my ex-housemate is Eastern European while I am of Asian origin but I grew up in the West.
My ex-housemate is nice and helped me a lot before. But I don’t know if you are aware of the stereotype about Eastern Europeans that they can be xenophobic. The only diversity they have is with fellow white Eastern Europeans with different ethnicities and speaking different languages. They tend to misunderstand why the West is more welcoming of non-white immigrants (I don’t have to mention the West having had a globe spanning empire before which explains why). So, my ex-housemate exhibit some xenophobia. I am mentioning the term lightly because IMO xenophobia is one level lower than racism, which I see more as hateful and purposeful. I know some people who express xenophobia are tolerant to foreigners but seems to draw a line that “there are too many” (as if we can control where people want to go; and it is climate change, illegal invasions and wealth inequality are what cause mass migration). My ex-housemate express similar sentiment but afraid coming off as racist in all occasions.
I am neither disparaging or excusing my ex-housemate, but IMO being a lonely, single man made him go into the right wing rabbit hole, perhaps unintentionally, considering he does a lot of exercise and fitness. Unfortunately, the right co-opted the health and wellbeing improvement to groom many people, both men and women. It leads confusion to many people’s heads who are not quite fully on board.
“In his country” suggests he’s an immigrant. This means he too, is an immigrant right? How does he resolve this hypocrisy?
Duh, because he’s one of the good immigrants.
To be fair, there are two different kinds of immigration: legal and illegal. Some (not all, but some) immigrants who came via the proper legal channels resent those who didn’t, and of those who feel that way, some feel that way for selfish “screw you, I got mine” reasons and others feel that way for genuine reasons, such as the fact that supporting illegal immigration is, to a certain extent, supporting the human trafficking and drug trafficking that goes hand-in-hand with it. Borders do serve a purpose and believing that illegal immigration should be curtailed isn’t necessarily a hypocritical position for an immigrant.
HOWEVER, that isn’t to say that ICE is the answer.
Well that’s scary holy shit this is definitely a step up on the fascism ladder
The biggest national security threats are Trump, the Heritage Foundation, MAGA, and Musk
Not only to the nation, The entire world, Humanity, literally anything that is alive.
There might be some bigger threats to the world elsewhere. Ever wonder WHY we’re sending so much money to- shot by a sniper
Hey don’t trow indigenous groups, animals, fungi and plants it to this.
The problem seems to be specifically people that live with computers.
I think you misunderstood. They are saying Trump and those in his cult/admin are a danger to everyone and everything. Do you think the MAGA movement isn’t a threat to indigenous groups, animals, or nature at large? Just the way they’ve already attacked environmental protections should show they check every checkbox.
Oh indeed, i thought they where saying humans are toxic and over generalized to “everyone alive” holding part of the blame.
Definitely misunderstood.
No, just Trump and his losers.
Is there a good argument for why any society not in collapse should submit to any “higher” authority?
