Except this is also how the “democracy” that is modern day Russia was created. Everything that’s happened in the U.S. since ~2012 that has been driving us to the brink of collapse by furthering the divide between left and right has been eerily similar.
Psychological Inoculation and Astroturfing: Preparing for exploitation of U.S. secession movements
A lot of people don’t know this, bc it’s not exactly clear what they were doing there, but coincidentally the Heritage Foundation also seemed to play a role in the creation of the first free market in the earliest days of post-soviet Russia.
thank you for not giving in to their rhetoric and letting this point die.
i get endless downvotes on all social media anytime i say a civil war is the absolute fucking worst outcome of any of the current trends.
guess people are just out for blood rn. i wouldn’t make it sound so innocent, tho. why are people out for blood? lots of answers, none satisfying enough.
I believe the most obvious is they benefit (or at least believe they will benefit) from that outcome.
Take an up vote from me. Civil wars nearly always end in tragedy beyond the imaginations of those who start them.
…furthering the divide between right and extreme right has been eerily similar.
Fixed that for you.
The Heritage Foundation is a society of monarchists. It’s supported by oligarchs who want to be king to push the world towards that agenda, and such oligarchs routinely infuse it with capital.
I want less Americans in my country, not more
The only reason Maine gets a pass is because it was ours to begin with
I want less Americans in my country, not more
Remind me of the Americans saying: “I want less Mexicans in my country, not more”
I guess, according to you, xenophobia is cool again?
It’s not because Americans are foreigners that I hate them. It’s because they are American, we have seen you ruin every other country in the Americas.
Or, and here is an idea. Stop putting your grubby American hands on other nations. You are not talking about immigration but some sort of aggressive reverse annexation.
The 13 colonies were “ours” to begin with, back when “we” were the North American colonies of the British Empire.
… you guys once marched to DC.
Can you accept the other east coast states down thru (but excluding) Virginia? Thanks.
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Don’t twist being against gun control with my joke my guy. Ty
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I think it’s funny that y’all think California would bring you into their fold beyond being close allies. Canada is nothing compared to California in the grand scheme of things.
Please take NYC and Chicago as well
Did you not look at the map?
Our public education does not allow us to look at maps outside of America. This shape is strange and terrifying to me.
Imagine.
Donald declares war on Canada.
Straight away all those states secede from the union and declare independence (States rights!)
Canada claims them all as allies.
TACO bell end Trump backs down.
States join Canada.
Donald declares war on Canada.
does this mean the map on the top is over 18 and the map on the bottom is under 18?
stop using this piece of shit as a meme
Wait, the president of the united states’ actually “truthed” that?
Isn’t like a declaration of war?
Only congress can declare war.
Awww please take PA too. Philly is cool.
not with your ATV-redneck parties in the streets
Redneck? Did I miss one? Thats not whos usually riding atvs and other weird fucking vehicles in Philly.
Feel real bad for Illinois, Virginia, Colorado and New Mexico citizens.
And all the Democrats in the red states of course.
Now we just need to link up with Canada to create a weird map avocado with a 'Murican pit.
Add in Washington state.
I don’t wanna be left behind in the failed states. But otherwise I approve of this message.
Can we include a chunk of the east coast please
please take Alaska. I promise we are not that republican
I can be bribed into supporting that with king crab and salmon.
We are almost out of that…
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That’s much better.
Needs Colorado on there somewhere too. That place is a blue oasis surrounded by a sea of red bullshit states on all sides.
They elected Hoedirt Boebert… no entry.
You say “they” as if states don’t have different districts. Boebert came from a right-leaning district, but was so toxic she couldn’t get re-elected there. So she had to move to an even more right district in order to win.
Add to that she’s actually a transplant from Florida, and it starts to make sense.
Yeah. Her saying “don’t you know who I am!?” and flipping off the workers after getting kicked out for refusing to stop vaping indoors and near pregnant women and performing public sexual acts at a musical where kids were in attendance… That’s pure Florida.
And New Mexico! Please don’t leave us with those shitheads.
I guess we could go to Mexico and take Colorado with us. The border can cross us again.
Not to the south, NM is just as blue if not more so.
If I recall new Mexico is the only state that had a full Democrat victory this last election with not one republican winning a single seat so pretty blue
I propose we get CO and they can have WI, MI and PA
Considering them petitioning to leave Oregon, I feel like eastern Oregon would be very upset about this
Hey take some cities as enclaves too. Blue cities in red states don’t deserve that kind of punishment.
What about the liberals in conservative areas? We all gonna hold off because they’re gonna get eaten by the dogs, too? What about liberal kids of conservative parents?
Just like now where they can all move to Massachusetts, under this plan, they can move to Canada
Illinois can stay.
Fip off fips
What? No!
Okay, maybe everything more than 60 miles outside of Chicago can stay. Deal?
Nope sorry. Janesville has to stay too but we’ll take Madison and Milwaukee.
I’m sure the sane people in those new Canadian provinces would want universal healthcare, but would they be willing to give up their guns? I think most of Canada is appalled at the gun violence in the US and would make giving up guns an unconditional requirement of joining Canada.
Deaths by firearm, per 100,000 people, are about 1/7 the number in Canada as it is in America.
America has over 200 school shootings a year. 2024 saw a near record with 330 school shootings.
Canada? 6 in its entire history. To get to the grand total of 9, you would have to include post-secondary institutions.
If you truly want to “think about the children”, firearm control comes wwwaaaaaaayyyyy before banning books and taking away lunches.
I think the red area should get alberta, maybe saskatchewan too. And I would personally like to see the Alaska pan handle transferred to B.C.
Alaska would join Canada at this point I bet.
Realistically this wouldn’t be possible, at least in the way most people assume. It’s hard for people to just uproot their whole lives and move to another state (though it’s easier these days), a partition like this would mean leaving behind a lot of liberal minded people, who are too poor or too rooted in a place.
On a family zoom call we were comparing house moves. My bro had the record at like 51 times he moved his house. One year he moved to Manhattan, then to Harlem, then to London.
It’s not hard, but it can be complex.
I have a garage filled with large power tools, my family and friends are all here and I own the land I live on. It’s hard and expensive to just uproot all that. For someone living an austere lifestyle it would be easier but if you’ve put down roots it’s much harder.
This is not just a simple house move, this is a whole on nation move, where you may never get to go back. There’s will be massive paperwork, a lot of uncertainty, chaos and pain. From my anecdotal knowledge on what happened in countries like west/east germany, north/south korea, india/pak, I can say that this event will be very stressful for a lot of people.
Especially if you have to move for your safety. You might have to sell your house for cheaper than what it’s worth, you might not be able to buy new land or find good renting opportunities. You might have to sell your business or close down. You might have to find new jobs, new schools, new everything. And some people just don’t want to leave their home, no matter how fucked things are, because there’s a chance they’ll never see it again.
This isn’t to mention, the pain that will come with such a divorce, the shame, and the lost hopes.
It’s definitely hard and complex. I think you are greatly underestimating how traumatic such a move would be for a lot of people (even if it maybe necessary).
We can have ChatGPT generate the paperwork. What could go wrong?
Moves are a pain, the biggest part is you lose circles of support as in friends, colleagues, community. But moving itself, while sucking badly is not terribly difficult. I have moved from UK, to Ontario, now to BC and its probably 12 houses I have lived in so far. You start to simplify your belongings as you go, but starting fresh friendship connections is the tricky part.
Moving from one state to another in the US costs about $10-20k if you hire a service. If you pack and move everything yourself and rent a truck you can take that down to around $6-7k, but the physical labor involved is strenuous. For people who don’t have a lot of money or who are old or not physically strong, I think it’s reasonable to describe it as difficult.
I was talking about the divorce as a whole. It would have some very serious ramifications. Moving wouldn’t be easy, because you’d be doing so under a whole different set of circumstances than moving abroad for studying or for a job. It’s not just you, it’s everyone who wants to live a “liberal democracy” who would want to move and it wouldn’t be easy at all, imo.
Historically mass exodus aren’t fun.
Eggs and omelettes.
So would the genocide be the eggs or the omelets?
Neither, but I suspect you know your argument is in bad faith.
It’s better to protect some people than none, and if that means balkanizing the US then that sucks for the blue islands in the Bible Belt but we are in crisis and that means triage.
Sounds like you are in a nice situation.
It’d be a lot nicer if Alabama wasn’t dragging it down.
Some of us have had Cascadia dreams. The problem is that Canada has its own issues and is on the same oozing, shambling drift towards fascist autocracy.
But yeah, the problem is that the US is a big pastiche of purple, and we can’t even tell how much of the red side is pressured by peer pressure and the colossal far-right-wing propaganda machine that features the most popular media offerings in the nation. Huge swaths of people are literally being mind controlled, and no-one is addressing this. (On a related note, we keep allowing more loopholes to allow gambling outside Nevada and Georgia, not to mention have failed to criminalize lootboxes)
The US isn’t even trying to be democratic and hasn’t for decades, which is how seventy seven million people, many of them low-information voters, voted for the guy who campaigned on a fascist autocratic coup d’etat.
That is to say once we finally unseat President Donald J. Trump, we should get ready for a Pete Townshend scream:
Meet the new boss!
Same as the old boss!
