Poor thing :(
I was under the impression that to a fish pain is more of a “get out of there” signal than what it is to us.
is what happens to us not in fact a “get out of here” signal to us? what makes you think a fishes subjective experience of pain is any more pleasant than your own?
Our pain isn’t a “get out of here” signal, it’s a “you’ve been hurt” signal. Fish don’t have a reason to suffer. We do, because we’re social creatures.
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So what you’re saying is that Kurt Cobain was wrong and it’s actually not OK to eat fish because they do, in fact, have feelings?
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Ya, probably.
This is why you just shoot them in the head with a harpoon when you take them out of the water
Most fish are caught using trawling nets, which as far as I know, can be up to 50 miles long. Gonna need a fucking attack helicopter to handle all that.
can be up to 50 miles long
I think maybe this should be meters?
Yes 50 meters long lol
World’s largest net. So big it can cover New York City and still have room for some of Jersey.
and still have room for some of Jersey.
nets…Jersey…
Jersey…nets…
New Jersey Nets
Oh. My. God.
Now that’s a job of the future - commandeering a Boeing AH-64E Apache to pulverise several thousand tonnes of fish trapped in a trawling net. Isn’t nature beautiful?
Bring back dynamite fishing then!
Without water, the delicate gill structures that exchange oxygen for carbon dioxide stick together, causing CO2 from respiration to accumulate. These rising levels trigger nociception – the body’s alarm system – which causes the fish to gasp. Eventually the elevated CO2 levels acidify the animal’s blood and cerebrospinal fluid, ultimately resulting in unconsciousness.
Holy shit. That’s horrific.
The article does a shitty job of linking to the paper
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-04272-1
It makes a pretty good case that fish experience a lot of pain immediately after being taken out of the water.
I don’t think this will do much to impact commercial fishing, it seems like it’s targeted at the slaughter stages of fish farms
Our population voted someone into the highest office riding on the promise of drilling for more oil and increasing factory farming. We have atomized our culture so much that corporate forces have stripped people of their empathy and care and passion like an overripe banana and we don’t mix perspectives anymore so that we can pull people back.
There’s no hope of ending this misery until those of us who remain thinking with our minds get off the computer and start socializing, organizing, challenging people and pulling people into our idea of a better tomorrow. Most people don’t even know where to find other people to talk to and debate with and this is by design. That’s the trap we’re in we need to break free of, and then maybe if we can get to that point we can start making cultured meats and alternative proteins a thing.
Otherwise, we’re going to fish the oceans until they’re dry and we will create hellish suffering for every life form involved until there’s nothing left to feel pain.
Otherwise, we’re going to fish the oceans until they’re dry and we will create hellish suffering for every life form involved until there’s nothing left to feel pain.
take comfort friend. our atmosphere will be unbreathable and we’ll cook in our own juices long, long, long before the oceans dry up. It’s becoming, every day, ever more unlikely that we’ll wake up to the obvious dilema and be able to save ourselves. And there are some who profit from continuing down the path of stupidity, and our society is following them.
so take comfort. your premise is 100% on target, but the timeline is probably a lot shorter.
Yeah if people don’t care about the equivalence of caging for meats then fish enduring pain is useless.
so those fish that jump out of the water at times experience pain the moment they leave the water? what time range are we talking? the are fish literally crossing land to get to other waters.
that’s why there is Ikejime, the japanese method to dispatch fish
I just use a fish bonker. A firm strike at the base of the head with a club is instant. I can’t say if it preserves the meat as I normally eat it right away or store it for the winter months in the freezer.
Nice fluff piece, but it’s still complete speculation as to how fish “feel” when out of water or anything else. Currently, science can’t tell if a fish can hurt in the same sense that humans can.
If they come up with something dirt cheap to kill them faster, I’m all for it. No down side to give a fish the benefit of the doubt. This isn’t something I’m going to worry about, though.
I’m sorry but that’s idiotic
The hell you mean? Of course it senses hurt. Why do you think humans are special cause we say ow?
What the fuck.
Maybe they are kinky. Idk.
OK but how do we know their response to the phenomenon in this article is experienced by the fish in a way akin to pain and not akin to fear or anxiety? (Or all of the above). Its just weird for the article to say a fish is for sure feeling pain, and not provide actual evidence for that.
I’m not saying the experience isn’t awful for it, so please dont turn the conversation that way.
Broadly scientific consensus is that at least bony fish likely experience pain in all of the same quantifiable ways that humans do. They exhibit avoidance learning, they have a central nervous system, nociceptors, opiod receptors, exhibit reduced avoidance responses to noxious stimuli when given analgesics… Etc.
The few scientists that have argued over the years that fish likely do not or cannot experience pain have been in the minority in the last 50 years, and each passing year finds decreased evidence for their claims. Dismissing it all as ‘complete speculation’ is… Very inaccurate.
Worth reading:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_fish
Also - there already is “something dirt cheap to kill them faster” - hardwood fish bat. Lasts forever and instantly stuns, and with a couple of strong well-aimed blows will definitely kill.
That bat isn’t feasible hauling a thousand fish in on a net, though. That’s for when I catch some crappie or trout with my fishing pole.
If people can invent industrial fishing machines that net thousands of fish at a time then there’s nothing stopping them from inventing a fast, clean fish kill method at scale.
If they can’t, then perhaps that method of fishing is unethical and unsustainable.
This is why net fishing is so problematic (apart from obvious environmental conserns and bycatch).
Stun your fish people. Don’t let their blood clot and lungs collapse while still conscious for multiple minutes. It’s cruel.
You can also spike the brain of the fish. There’s stuff online about Ikejime which is supposed to be a way to quickly kill the fish to improve the quality of the meat. There’s resources online about it.
Let their lungs collapse?..
Yes. The g folds in front and everything shortens.
That’s why we call them gls.
I believe this is why Japanese fishermen will sometimes use the ikijime method where you kill the fish fast. I believe it also improves the quality of the meat too.
With net fishing, they’re still out of the water quite a long time whilst being hauled up, dumped, and sorted before being thrown in their sorted holding tank.
And yet others will prepare Ikizukuri.
Wow that’s so fucked up
Ikizukuri (生き作り), also known as ikezukuri (活け造り), (roughly translated as “prepared alive”[1]) is the preparing of sashimi (raw fish) from live seafood. In this Japanese culinary technique, the most popular sea animal used is fish, but octopus, shrimp, and lobster may also be used.[2] The practice is controversial owing to concerns about the animal’s suffering, as it is seemingly alive when served.
The restaurant may have one or several tanks of live sea animals for a customer to choose from. There are different styles in which a chef may serve the dish but the most common way is to serve it on a plate with the filleted meat assembled on top of the body.
Ikizukiri may be prepared with only three knife cuts by the chef.[1] They are usually presented with the head still whole so that customers are able to see the continuing gill movements.[3]
look at the video, it’s FUCKED UP. they removed all the meat from the fish and kept it alive attempting to breath on the plate covered in food
There are a small subset there that are pathologically obsessed with the freshness of the fish they eat. Getting parasites from barely prepped sushi is not uncommon.
I’ll be vegan once we figure out how to stop killing other humans.
Why/how are the two connected?
Delicious long pig addiction? Lol
I will care about the suffering of fish at the hands of humans once we end human suffering at the hands of other humans.
Why/how are the two connected?
Interesting, I always cared about the suffering of animals far more than us stupid greedy humans
Is your empathy so small you cannot cope with 2 things at the same time, or you just don’t care?
Little of A little of B, there are bigger issues that the possible suffering of fish, and in the long run I don’t care enough about the possible suffering of fish to change my diet choices.
Wait, this is the fabled “I’m pre-vegan” gloat? I did not think I would ever see it.
I’ve heard that water-boarding is a very intense form of torture; and that is essentially about making a person feel like they are drowning. I wonder how the fish experience compares.
How about a new sport… Catch the fish under water and slap him a little, but not too hard?
Or how about just riding your rubber boat to where the fish are, then dropping a speaker and shouting “fuck you fish!” Threw the speaker? You could even hurt them intellectually!
Where did they throw the speaker?
In to the water! LOL.
it’s a lot manlier and cooler to stand in the water and grab the fish with your bare hands anyways, then you can look it in the face and tell it to fear god before letting it go
You could even do a Hakka and watch the fish pee themselves! But a gentle slaps would also be satiafrying.
I’m still not going to tell you where my secret fishing spot is, no matter how many times you ask or scientific studies you perform.
there’s a trend on TikTok where you catfish (heh) men and ask them what their favorite fishing spot is
