Title. Interested to see the response from different religions
Edit: Stating your religion would be appreciated. Lack of religion counts for the purpose of this question. Also let’s not downvote people for differing religions, all voices are welcome here. If no; why?
I’m an atheist. I dated a woman once who believed in spirits. I think she experienced night terrors among other things and interpreted them as supernatural phenomena. It didn’t cause problems then but I was a lot younger and I think now I’m less tolerant of that sort of thing. But who knows - I was crazy about her so maybe if I meet a woman I’m crazy about like that again then I’ll tolerate anything.
More recently I’ve dated people who believe in a vague sort of life after death but never someone who practiced any religion. I think I would immediately rule out practicing religious people if I were going through a list (as when dating online) but if I met someone in person, really liked her, and then found out she was religious then I’m not sure what I would do. It would definitely be off-putting.
The problem for me isn’t the lifestyle differences but rather my impression that religious people are missing the point about the basic nature of existence, when it really should be obvious. It makes me feel like I’m patronizing them, because to be frank I don’t tend to think of them as my intellectual equals. (And I know that makes me sound like a pompous jerk.)
Yea I kinda get the same feeling. Although for a lot of people their religion does not preclude the acceptation/understanding of a physical world, it’s a more of set of rites that they inherited and that’s part of their identity. There’s plenty of religious people who are scientists. For some, I imagine it may be difficult to reconcile.
I know that there are religious scientists and I think humans often compartmentalize beliefs in such a way that their belief about the supernatural doesn’t affect their assessment of real-world situations. I’ll even go further and say that often it seems like their belief affects their behavior much less than it logically ought to, with some (but not all) people who apparently sincerely believe in an all-seeing God and an afterlife still acting just like atheists in relevant situations. In this context, the fanatics are sometimes technically the more rational ones - I disagree with their premises, but their actions make sense if those premises are considered true.
It’s certainly weird how many people say that they believe and then just … don’t do anything that their belief says they should do.
I think people’s behavior is determined much more by social conventions and the expectations of their community (in addition to pragmatic self-interest) than it is by logical reasoning. I’ll risk being the preachy vegetarian by discussing people’s attitudes towards eating meat. Most people sincerely believe that cruelty to animals is wrong, and also that factory farming (if not all killing) is cruel. Yet they eat meat. I even know some people who started eating meat again after being ethical vegetarians. Did they change their minds about whether or not harming animals is bad? No. If pressed, they feel guilty but they don’t like to talk about it. The reason they’re eating meat is because it’s convenient and almost everyone expects them to, not because they reasoned from first principles. Likewise with religion - if no one else is giving everything away to the poor and everyone will think you’re crazy if you do rather than praising you, you’re not going to give everything away to the poor even if it would make sense to do so given what you believe.
Edit: Kidney donation is another example. I met a woman once who donated a kidney to a friend of her mother’s. This person wasn’t someone particularly dear to her, but she found out that he needed a kidney to live and she gave him hers. I think that what she did is commendable, but I still have both my kidneys. This is despite the fact that I sincerely believe that if, for example, I saw a drowning child then I would risk my life to save him. People would think I was a hero if I saved the child, or that I was a coward if I didn’t try. Meanwhile almost everyone I know would think I went crazy if I donated a kidney to a stranger. My relatives would be extremely worried, and they would try to talk me out of it. I’m not going to do something difficult, painful, and (to an extent) dangerous when everyone I know would disapprove, even if in principle I think risking my life to save another’s is a good thing to do.
I think your ideas here go into the right direction, but the confusing part for me is that many of the christians I know are so far below what you’d expect from a christian in these parts (which is already very little) - it’s not that they don’t give everything away to the poor, they’re doing (as far as I can tell) nothing - they don’t pray, they don’t go to church, and they don’t adhere to any of what the bible says they should do beyond maybe basic Golden Rule stuff. And it’s not even like most families would make a big deal out of it if you left the faith or even became fully atheist. Most do pay the church tax, though, which is about 1% of your gross income.
Here’s an incident that is only tangentially related to what we’re talking about, but it’s one that I found memorable. My grandmother was reading a tabloid newspaper (which she tends to believe) and it apparently had an article about UFOs. She turned to me and told me that, according to the newspaper, space aliens were real and visiting Earth. Then she went about her ordinary business - the thing about the aliens was simply an interesting bit of trivia for her.
I think her reaction was not in fact particularly unusual, but I found it baffling. The arrival of space aliens would be perhaps the most important thing that has ever happened to humanity. The entire future of the species would hang in the balance, and everything would hinge on what the aliens want. I know my grandmother very well but I still don’t really understand how she thinks about things like this. The best I can come up with is that she believes in many fantastical things and therefore just one more fantastical thing changes little for her.
This isn’t a direct response to what you’re describing but I think it’s relevant as an illustration of one way how the fantastical can be less important than the mundane for people.
Atheist. I’m quite relaxed about it as long as I don’t have to take part in the silly rituals. I’ve dated a lot of picky eaters so I’m okay with not having bacon at home or whatever your dietary restrictions may be.
As long as they don’t try to convert me, yes.
I think the biggest problem is when one partner believes that the other is condemned for eternity in some way (not just a hell, but also other forms like reincarnation to a lower state or anything else deemed bad)…and either they spend the relationship trying to change the other person and probably ruining it, or worse, they accept that fate for someone they claim to love.
As an atheist, I don’t have that concern that my loved one is doomed to torment somehow, I just have the here and now to try and make their life with me as pleasant as I can. There is the issue of whether or not an atheist could live with someone whose rational is governed by beliefs that affect their judgement, either like mentioned above trying to convert them for their sake, or in other ways where religion steers them vs. having their own thoughts. But for what I think is a large majority, religious people mostly go through the motions if any just to fill some subconscious uncertainty and it’s not enough to threaten a relationship with a differing viewpoint.
The human brain is very good at compartmentalizing things to help us get through the day.
You know that non-abrahamic religions exist, right?
Yes. That’s why I said what I said in the parentheses, different beliefs have different afterlife ideas, some may not have a hell but might have other punishments. The point was a relationship where one or both thinks the other is going to suffer later but is okay with it can’t be very deep. If it’s a religion where there isn’t such a thing, then there isn’t a conflict (at least not in that sense).
Yea I suppose if you consider your significant other to be a filthy kuffar doomed to wade through lava for the rest of time… that relationship is going to be a ride
Doubt.
I wouldn’t get involved with someone deeply religious. I’d consider someone religious if they were sufficiently wishy-washy about it, though, e.g. people who are christian and believe in it at least enough to not call themselves atheists or agnostics but don’t really DO anything christian.
Would you turn someone down for believing in heaven/hell/etc alone?
That’s potentially included in wishy-washy christianity. The important part is how they act on it. Though it certainly mystifies me how you can believe in that stuff and then act as if it doesn’t, but that’s kinda how people roll in my parts …
Not anyone who is actively/strongly religious of any kind. Philosophical/spiritual beliefs is fine with me but anyone who is drinking the Kool-Aid is either delusional or dumb (and probably stubborn/hard to reason with). I was raised Catholic (even went to Catholic school from elementary up to finishing HS) but would consider myself somewhere between agnostic and atheist now
Probably not, but that entirely depends on what Religion is for Them. If Religion is only something that they themselves belief in and practice I dont really have a problem with it. If they however use their religious views to suppress others (e.g. trying to talk someone out of having an abortion because “pro life”) that’s an absolute no go for myself.
A very important and good distinction.
Fully agree, also happy cake day.
Atheist. In general I don’t have a problem with religion, as long as it doesn’t get uncomfortable. By that I mean stuff like forcing or forbidding me to do stuff. Not believing in basic science is a hard no as well.
But I feel like that’s a problem that only part of the world has. Christianity in the U.S is a fucking cult. I don’t think I could date anyone from that hardcore believe system. I’m from germany andI am yet to meet a christian that believe in the bullshit parts. Like believing in what the bible says alone is fucking weird to me and pretty much novody exeptfor hardcores does that here.
So I’d say for methe line is at “cult” level
“Not believing in basic science” should be complete turnoff for anyone ngl.
Imagine your life partner saying if they have any kids they don’t want to vaccinate them cause autistic people go to hell or some bs.
Also for Christianity in the US thing.
I am a pretty religious Muslim (maturidi) and lived in Iraq before. I still find US sects like Mormonism too extreme for even being roommates let alone marrying, despite being another Abrahamic religion.
Muslim here and nope. Setting aside that it’s forbidden in Islam, I’d have to get them on board with so many things they might as well convert.
Do you live in a country where Muslim religion is assumed or do you have to ask their religion right off? That seems rough
I’m an immigrant in a country where save for a small foreign diaspora Muslims basically don’t exist, so while I’m choosing to leave this stuff for future me to figure out, if I ever do choose to find someone it’ll be rough going.
Ouch. That does seem complicated. I wish you luck!
As a former Christian, I would have a hard time dating anyone who is Evangelical, Protestant, or mainstream Catholic. Other than that, it’s not so much the religious views that are the issue for me.
For what I am … it depends on which end of the elephant you want to look at. For this crowd, let’s say pantheist with pagan and Buddhist leanings.
No lol
I couldn’t be equals with someone who isn’t living in grounded reality.
It depends. Probably, as long as they didn’t think I was going to hell, or believe something I found awful, or were evangelistic, needing me to believe what they did.
My mom’s family was Methodist, my dad’s family was Catholic, my mom stayed Methodist, Dad became just open-minded general Theist but not specifically Christian, I am not religious but not capital A Atheist.
No. Spirituality is a very core value. I wouldn’t negotiate it.
I’m an aethiset, she was christian. I moved on fairly quickly, it’s just looppy shit i would have started to laugh…
I assumed she’d come to her senses, she assumed I could be indoctrinated.
