Windows Recall remains controversial a year after its announcement. Now, the Brave browser has taken new measures to "protect" users from the feature.
    • hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
      732·
      1 个月前

      That’s not even the worst thing about him. He also invented JavaScript.

        • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          1 个月前

          Sure I use that too but you should have at least one chromium based browser for certain features though.

            • Zink@programming.devEnglish
              3·
              1 个月前

              This is my setup, and I never actually use ungoogled chromium.

              If I have some kind of issue that I need to work around immediately rather then figure out, I usually just open Firefox and try that.

            • Bluewing@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              1 个月前

              Vivaldi is OK, but I would replace it with something else. It’s a pretty busy UI and I have had issues with it freezing in Fedora 42 KDE.

            • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              1 个月前

              Yes some tools do not work with Firefox. It‘s a niche but I‘ve run into it a few times just recently. For example with a gamepad enabler tool where Firefox simply won‘t be able to see your USB input.

              • HorseFD@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                1 个月前

                The thing is, Firefox follows web standards. Chrome doesn’t always and websites put in custom code that works only with Chrome.

                I’d rather use the browser that follows standards.

                • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  1 个月前

                  Well I‘m not saying you should use chromium as your main browser. In fact I think you shouldn‘t. But sometimes there is no way around it. It‘s okay to be realistic about these things.

          • kerntucky@infosec.pubEnglish
            2·
            1 个月前

            I’m out of the loop. What are the many problems with Mozilla?

            I saw you mention the Mr. Robot extension in another comment. That looks to be a bad decision but what else are the “many problems?”

            • Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
              1·
              1 个月前

              Most problems are because of how Mozilla works. According to some devs, they gatekeep some contributions and they don’t really act and communicate with the community like FOSS projects are expected to. They also spend a lot of money on some - useless - stuff. They’re really slow to improve their software and Firefox defaults with some questionable stuff (regular pings, Google bullshit…)

              The Better bird dev talks a bit about this, and you also have some other resources: https://youtu.be/ugnOM2mzgNU (I don’t remember every link and everything I’ve seen but this should be a good start)

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1133·
      1 个月前

      What does that have to do with the browser? Last I checked, browsers aren’t transphobic.

      You do you, but I personally refuse to make product choices based on the person who makes it. Brave is the least bad chromium browser, so I use it as a backup to my main Gecko-based browser. I’m not a fan of Mozilla either, but that’s irrelevant since I pick my software based on what it does, not based on the management of the company that builds it.

        • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          1 个月前

          I‘m not even pro Brave but all that ad stuff is opt-in so it doesn‘t matter as long as you don‘t want to see ads. The arguments in this thread are starting to just loop in circles. Essentially using Brave is fine if you stick to the default. There‘s no sleazy stuff if you don‘t enable it and the CEO also doesn‘t make a dime from you if that‘s something you‘re concerned about. You could of course use a different chromium browser if you want but it‘s virtually the same thing.

        • RiQuY@lemmy.zipEnglish
          81·
          1 个月前

          Vivaldi is not open source, so for me it doesn’t count as a valid option.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          21·
          1 个月前

          The only two there that bother me are the affiliate code thing (reminds me of the Honey drama) and installing extra software without consent. The first was a bad call and probably related with how their ad replacement stuff works (if anything, they should merely axe affiliate links; Firefox has that as an option), and this"solution" to the latter is pretty odd to me:

          reinstall the browser without admin rights

          Why would a browser need admin rights in the first place? I haven’t used Windows in well over a decade, so I don’t think that particular one would be an issue for me.

          The rest can be grouped as:

          • bugs - bug fixes generally don’t get prioritized until enough users complain; I would be very picky if I was an at risk person (activist or whatever) and would probably only use Tor browser
          • opt-in services
          • their marketing department

          My options for chromium browsers are:

          • something with ineffective ad blocking
          • Opera - I used it before it became a chromium browser, then it went downhill; not FOSS
          • Brave, with all its warts

          Since ad blocking and FOSS are my prerequisites, Brave basically wins by default.

          • Petter1@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            1·
            1 个月前

            Just block with unlock 🙉 why choose browser based on a ad block feature that is worse (injecting own ads/adware and therefore trying to dictate who is allowed to grab your attention) than the ad blocking extension?

            I recommend Firefox, due to best compatibility with uBlock (fuck manifest v3) and additionally have a DNS filter in your network, like pihole or adguard.

            On the go, use wireguard VPN to always be digitally home, and get your ads blocked (as well as tracking organisations) like that.

      • Engywook@lemmy.zipEnglish
        316·
        1 个月前

        Actually, I consider Brave the best (or the least bed…) browser on the market. Period. The fact that it isn’t made by Mozilla is a plus for me.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          1 个月前

          I don’t like Mozilla either, but here are my priorities in a web browser:

          1. FOSS
          2. Privacy tools - includes ad blocking; I’d actually be okay with ads if they didn’t track me
          3. Promotes open web standards - rendering engine diversity is critical here, I don’t want a repeat of the IE era
          4. Security
          5. Performance

          Firefox ticks all of them, and my issues with Mozilla as an org don’t really come into play. I use a fork on my phone, but I use Firefox on my laptop and desktop because I trust the binaries coming from my Linux distribution maintainers (part of 4).

          • Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
            1·
            1 个月前

            Brave also ticks all of them?

            at this point, Firefox’s development is not very much more open than Chromium’s

            • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              1 个月前

              It doesn’t tick #3, hence why I use a Firefox browser as my main. If they had their own rendering engine, I would consider it as my main. But for now, it’s my backup in case I need a website that doesn’t work on Firefox (i.e. they use something Chrome-specific).

          • Engywook@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            1 个月前

            Good for you. I actively refuse to use it or any of its derivatives to avoid endorsing Mozilla by giving them market share. Additionally, I find that Brave just performs better (and needs one extension less to be functional).

      • NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zipEnglish
        91·
        1 个月前

        I would not choose to use a product made by people I disagree with but leaving that aside:

        Is it the least bad? Why not degoogled chrome? Or chromium? Even vivaldi seems like a better choice.

        • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          71·
          1 个月前

          Ad blocking mostly. That’s literally all I need in a chromium browser, because I only use it on a handful of sites that don’t work properly in Firefox.

          Chromium is also okay, but no ad blocker. I have that installed as well in the really unlikely case that the ad blocker gets in the way.

          99% of my browsing is on a Firefox browser, and 99% of the rest is on Brave. I use it so infrequently the “time saved” metric is a merely seconds.

    • szymon@programming.devEnglish
      618·
      1 个月前

      He could be next husband of Ivanka Trump - I don’t care

      If he provide good service for me - browser which fits my needs. I would even send him money every day

          • OutlierBlue@lemmy.caEnglish
            151·
            1 个月前

            If fascism was a passive philosophy that didn’t hurt anyone then you might have a point. But as you can see recently it’s extremely dangerous and ruins lives.

            You may not want to mingle with politics, but it doesn’t have the same view.

            • NeilBrü@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              1 个月前

              One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.

              Plato, The Republic bk. 1, 347c

      • Kris@slrpnk.netEnglish
        16·
        1 个月前

        That’s the logic of as long as it benefits ME I don’t care and I support them no matter what they do. This same logic has been applied to all the shitty things done in history like slavery, war and so forth, and the reason the world is the way it is.

          • Kris@slrpnk.netEnglish
            12·
            1 个月前

            Of course that’s not possible, the issue here is being aware and not caring and in some cases supporting it for convenience and selfishness.

              • Kris@slrpnk.netEnglish
                7·
                1 个月前

                In my country, one of the most successful supermarkets is run by a fascist and he uses part of his fortune to finance our local fascist party, which is gaining strength every year by the way. Do we support fascism by buying in that supermarket? What if we suddenly started to boycott the supermarket to hell?

                My point is that they earn profits by using their services and in today’s society money is power. And from where the CEO got his power? From the millions of people with the mindset of “if it benefits me I don’t care”.

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
    4·
    1 个月前

    funny thing is ban evaders(the ones that make hundreds of accounts for OF or links) use it for its anti-fingerprinting which is useful against reddit(temporarily) ability to read the browser. i used to temporarily, and kinda explains why my last acc was only shadowbanned much later than thier purges.(i was hit by thier AI moderation as soon as switched to a different browser fork of FF)

      • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
        2·
        1 个月前

        oh yea i used pixel scan or something similar, ban evaders use these to check thier browser profile, and it partially shields it. there other similar browser scanners, but the thing is you also need proxies and anti-detect browsers to hide the rest of your activities, because reddit is just that invasive in detection.(hence all those bans.

          • Tollana1234567@lemmy.todayEnglish
            1·
            1 个月前

            im just simplifying it, they have other methods at thier tools. since recently it come to my attention they also indiscrminately shadowban too for no reason at all/. V3 captcha, browser, time and date, location, components. they detect vpn quite easily now,

  • sfjvvssss@lemmy.worldEnglish
    351·
    1 个月前

    In this thread something I see a lot on lemmy is happening. Maybe someone can give me a hint on how that happens. The post itself is 90% upvotes, while the comment section is really anti-Brave (for good reasons). Do most upvotes come from people scrolling through without looking at the comment section and those with an opinion on the topic dive into it?

      • thann@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        122·
        1 个月前

        Actually it does! When youre installing, just delete the windows boot partition and your done!

        • somerandomperson@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          4·
          1 个月前

          Heck, wipe the entire disk!

          (based on a real life experience)

          (windows just kept standing no matter what partition i deleted so i wiped the disk clean)

        • Novaling@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          1 个月前

          I recently decided to switch from using Atomic Fedora to reg KDE Fedora (cause tinkering and bypassing atomic features got on my nerves), and I almost went through with wiping everything and only having Linux installed. And then I realized I probably wouldn’t be able to do some tests for college cause they use anti-cheating software (lockdown browser) which they probably wouldn’t like if I ran it in a VM or wine…

          But man, once I’m out of college, I’m probably wiping Windows for good! Also gonna factory reset that partition so it at least takes way less space on my drive.

          (Side note: the other hesitation is that I’m 90% kernel updates nuked Bluetooth for me around March (It worked when I rolled back to January/February releases) and I do have zoom classes sometimes. Like, do I just have to buy a Bluetooth dongle to deal with this?)

    • Pamasich@kbin.earth
      21·
      1 个月前

      Tbf, anything that isn’t AI Windows blocks the feature. Including regular Windows.

      People just need to not fall for the scam edition and they don’t have to deal with this shit.

        • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          4·
          1 个月前

          Discord… Still isn’t public?

          They’re certainly talking about it but they haven’t announced a date yet.

          Apologies, I striked the lines out of my previous comment. It simply was an example of how you still can be captured.

    • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      12·
      1 个月前

      Oh so they’re just doing whatever Firefox is doing in private mode on Android that makes screenshots all black

  • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    27·
    1 个月前

    The sad thing is that you now have to protect yourself against the OS you are using. Feels a bit like in the movie TRON.

    • Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
      710·
      1 个月前

      It’s probably the best chromium browser out there

      Firefox has done shit too

      sadly we don’t have a lot of choice, but they’re one of the least worse

      • kadu@lemmy.worldEnglish
        181·
        1 个月前

        Firefox has done shit too

        Firefox has injected my URLs with affiliate codes?

      • rozodru@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        1 个月前

        sure there are choices. I don’t use either. if you believe there are only 2 choices out there…man you have no idea.

      • Leon@pawb.socialEnglish
        13·
        1 个月前

        Just don’t use Chromium unless you for some reason absolutely have to. Mozilla is just another corporation, but they’re not exactly threatening to monopolise the internet. Google is, and using Chromium directly aids in their effort to do so.

        • Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
          29·
          1 个月前

          It’s not that bad. Sure, having more choice is good, but it’s not as life threatening as you make it seem

          Using android and stock ROMs is a bigger problem

          • Leon@pawb.socialEnglish
            8·
            1 个月前

            I think it’s a compounding issue, primarily of Google products just kind of being the “default.”

            Google pays to be the primary search engine in Firefox, on iOS, and sets themselves as the default on their operating systems. They, wherever possible also set their browser as default. Yes, Chromium is open source, but they have the ultimate final say, and no one seems to have the interest in forking it. This puts Google in a similar position that Microsoft was in in the 90s and early 00s, where they can essentially hijack the web and force their ideas through whether others want to or not.

            We saw this with Google forcing Manifest v3, all Chromium-based browsers essentially just had to follow suit. That was just Manifest v3 however, who’s to say what else they’ll do?

            Then there’s my tinfoil hat worry that Google essentially being the window to the web for so many people, on an OS, browser, and discoverability level is just overall a cause for worry. That’s not even considering their communications and media platforms.

            • Electricd@lemmybefree.netEnglish
              61·
              1 个月前

              I’m pretty sure if Firefox/Mozilla decides to change their policy on something, most forks of firefox will have no choice but follow the same path

              afaik all firefox forks are really small, just like chromium forks

              Mozilla might not have as much conflicting interests though, I admit it

              • Leon@pawb.socialEnglish
                6·
                1 个月前

                Oh yeah, absolutely. There are no good options for a truly libre web, unfortunately. :(

              • Petter1@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
                6·
                1 个月前

                Perfect is the enemy of good.

                Gecko is still way more sympathetic than chromium, to me. Even if it is not perfect either.

      • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        151·
        1 个月前

        An unrepentant homophobe who accused people who dislike him for his homophobic views/actions as being closed-minded and bigoted for disliking him over it.

        You can’t make this shit up

  • MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.worldEnglish
    86·
    1 个月前

    This is about the Smart App Control feature in Win11 that takes screenshots periodically to check for “malicious activity”. its basically a glorified keylogger built into the OS. Firefox should really follow suit and block this too.

  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
    272·
    1 个月前

    A device that surreptitiously gathers information on a target is called a bug, not a feature.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          28·
          1 个月前

          It’s actually super simple: even though the community is called “Technology”, there’s A LOT of tech-illiterate fear mongering going on here. People behave like Microsoft is trying to spy on them, seemingly oblivious to the fact that Recall is:

          • only available on devices with an NPU.
          • local only, nothing goes out to the Internet (hence the NPU requirement).
          • opt-in - you need to turn it on yourself.

          There’s nothing malicious about it. Functionality is questionable, but acting like it’s malware is just showing ignorance.

    • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      27·
      1 个月前

      So, you’re saying that browsing history, in literally any browser on the market, is a bug not a feature?

      surreptitiously

      Oh, wait, I actually missed that! How is something that you need to purposefully turn on “surreptitious”? Like… Holy fuck, people, this is supposed to be the community of tech-literate people, so maybe stop fear-mongering in read about Recall a bit? It’s opt-in, it’s limited to a (as of now) extremely small number of NPU-carrying devices, it’s offline.

      If you don’t like it, just don’t fucking turn it on.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        1 个月前

        It’s a good thing that microsoft is trustworthy and you can believe everything they say. And that malware never misuses resources of the system on which it is installed.

        • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          16·
          1 个月前

          Recall sits in a secure vault behind BitLocker encryption secured with Windows Hello.

          BitLocker+Windows Hello gets broken through, the world has a much larger problem than some screenshots, because that’s the foundation of, like, 80% of enterprise security.

          If you’re afraid that an attacker sits on your PC and just waits for you to unlock the vault, then you already have the PC breached to the point where they don’t have to do that, they already have access to everything else.

          If you’re afraid of the feature in anyway, don’t use it.

            • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              17·
              1 个月前

              I don’t. I read tech specs and security analyses. You just stick your head in the sand whenever someone says “Microsoft”, though. It’s silly.

                • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                  16·
                  1 个月前

                  So you still think it’s 1990. Got it. Well, times have changed. We have better oversight. The EU has GDPR, user data is better protected. If they tried to pull off a “heist” and suddenly start grabbing these screenshots from users, the fine from EU would be historical.

    • Chaotic Entropy@feddit.ukEnglish
      9·
      1 个月前

      Well, not really, a bug is unintentional. Even calling it a design flaw is a stretch, it’s a feature that isn’t for your benefit.

  • zewm@lemmy.worldEnglish
    36216·
    1 个月前

    Literally nothing will get me to use this crypto scam of a browser.

  • 3dcadmin@lemmy.relayeasy.comEnglish
    125·
    1 个月前

    I still have literally thousands of clients that use Windows and want support… for these kinds of things. Firefox has recently stopped working on a few things and Brave works better for me right now. It’s not convenience when FF doesn’t work…
    But I digress, Win 11 here and Brave. My choices, for lots of reasons. Lots of linux boxes as well though. Each to their own and all that

  • NoodlePoint@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    1 个月前

    Simplewall allows direct control of internet access of any program and app; you can block CoPilot from accessing the internet.