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Microsoft is no longer permitted on my PC
“Linux can’t run my cock and ball squeezing app!”
Good thing that Linux can run pretty much everything I want to play. Ckb-new and and Streamdeck-gui still need some finishing touches so that E:D and DCS are identical to old Windows setup, but everything else seems to run without a hitch.
Actually, I been much happier not being able to play League anymore.
Yeah I realised the only games I cant play on linux are the ones that really don’t respect my privacy/time/wallet so it ended up a net benefit
I had my first issue since switching just yesterday (I’ve been switched for a couple of months).
I wanted to run some mod installers for the old Kotor games but they’re .exe files.
Only stuff I could get working was manual file-replacements and steam workshop mods.
You should be able to use those mod installers by running them with wine within the wine prefix Kotor is installed in surely?
Not sure about wine. Haven’t used it since like 2016.
I’m running all my games in steam with proton. Not sure if that’s connected at all.
Proton is just wine with some extra stuff added, if you install protontricks this explains what to do.
protontricks-launch --appid <APPID> <EXE>Should get you what you want, you can find app id by looking at the url of the game in the steam store or using
protontricks -s <GAME NAME>
all “AAA” games, you say
Never been a better time to try dota 😈
No. I’m clean man. I can’t. Not again.
Just a little match. For old time’s sake
I went though this with Mike, I must not repeat the sins of the past.
Stay strong! MOBAs are like rage-inducing crack!
They also destroy friendships.
That’s a complicated way of saying that Microsoft recommends switching to Linux. /j
You joke but As of this last weekend I just did and it was pretty damned free…
What distro?
Fedora for the beast. Family media station is on Ubuntu
i wanted to try out Nobara when switching having only experienced Debian before (not such a great desktop experience then). Now, since i’m already hooked on a Fedora-Spinoff, if the installation ever dies, i will go pure Fedora too, it’s just a great experience :-)
Yup so far so good. Though there are one or two games I realized I have to say goodbye to but overall they weren’t going to be a big miss from my life.
Just a good excuse to start digging into some of the new games from steam sales that I never got around to.
Hmmm I’ve had more luck and haven’t encountered any game that wouldn’t run except for the anti heat titles. I have quite the collection over a wide field of platforms and decades, if you wouldn’t mind to tell me what didn’t work?
Oh sure. Destiny 2. Not that it’s a big loss really as i only casually play. It looks like it was intentionally meant to only play on windows though and bungie are doing what they can to keep it that way https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/263741503?page=0
Currently finding r6 as a bit high maintenance to get working too.
They both use battleeye so that’s probably the reason
So far that’s about it tho. All my main favourites seem to be installing without a hitch.(so far that is)
I’m running with GE latest.
No it doesn’t.
From these mass graves we learn to sing.
Came here to make sure someone dropped this link.
Also: Linux btw
Huh, and I thought that was only for the os activation, but no. ESU support is right there, under the TSForge activation method.
Its even more support than what MS is offering LMAO
The LSTC IoT editions also have it built right in, and come without the ancillary Windows bloatware (except Edge, which you’re stuck with) for niche applications that require running Windows-only software that can’t be avoided. Even on lower end hardware.
Hmm, neat!
Why does anyone use windows?
I still need to use it for university. We often need to use very specific programs for homework and I don’t know if I can always find an alternative on linux. Even if, I’d have to go through the hastle of converting to the requested file formats. And it’s not guaranteed that I will always find a solution for every course I’ll take. Unfortunately education still expects you to work with Windows and programs that only work on Windows.
Of course, your metrics may vary because every person’s situation is different, but I went through my associates and my bachelor’s CIS degree with very minor issues issues., Many colleges will state that it requires windows for the course, but then you’re able to use something like LibreOffice just fine. Like technically, the only course that I ever had to actually use windows for was my Microsoft Office course and that’s self-explanatory of why I needed Windows for that lol
Office isn’t the problem, I use Libre Office even on Windows. The problem is very specific software for some courses. Like we needed to work with SQL for one course and they wanted us to use a specific program. It was a group project, too, and I didn’t want to be the one who messes up our database because something didn’t work right with whatever Linux substitute there is.
It’s stupid, honestly. I was trying to play Fallout New Vegas for the fifth time, and starting the game I realized the main radio station of the game, which repeats forever, was mute. For my weird taste, this was a dealbreaker, as IDK how they do it, but their playlists have this quality to immerse me in the game no matter how many times I listen to them. Tried every fix I could find to sort this problem with no success. So, back to Windows 10, and it works. At this point of time, I don’t play New Vegas, but there are so many GB to download, partitions to extend, etc. I guess in December I will try to go back to Linux.
For me, Minecraft bedrock (for kids) but looks like anything MS tainted will start (or maybe already does) require windows.
Looks like I have to decide what to do soon because they’re still on W10.
it will be a slight downgrade, but they do have a Minecraft bedrock wrapper program that uses the Android version of Minecraft, so technically Pocket Edition, and that’s probably the easiest currently at getting that version of Minecraft to run on Linux.
Minecraft Java runs fine on Linux. Bedrock is pretty meh tbh.
A lot of software still requires Windows.
Games are a big one for sure, but there is a lot of productivity and creative software that does not run on Linux.
Games are a big one for sure
Unless we’re talking about the handful of kernel-level anti-cheat games where the devs have refused to allow Linux support through Proton, nearly every game you own will work. Most of them without any tinkering whatsoever.
This is a myth and has been for several years. The only games that do not work with linux are ones that have intentionally artificially disallowed the use of linux using kernel level anticheat (rootkit). Many of these games worked on linux until adding no-linux policies to their anticheat.
There is no technical incompatibility, only artificial policy choices that game companies have made
EDIT: you can downvote me, but I am still correct.
I just wanted to chime in that there’s far more reasons that your software doesn’t work on Linux than just the developer saying no.
Basically, if your game or software has to interface with anything at the driver level, such as a keyboard or a headset configuration software, or anything that needs to access complete system access such as kernel level access or being able to see processes outside of the wine environment. It’s going to be incompatible. This is by design for system security and is unlikely to change on official releases any time soon.
Additionally, if the game requires any type of integration into basically anything Microsoft, so be it the Microsoft account services, the authentication token services, multiplayer services, applications on the MS store etc, it’s going to be a no go as they have yet to make a decent translation layer for those systems. Being said with the push for demand of Game Pass on PC, there are people working on those projects, but I haven’t personally seen anything that had decent progress.
I have to hard disagree with the statement that it’s a myth. Yes, many games will work with minor tinkering. However, We are still a long way from having something that is just a click play and it works style system and it’s not usually from developer choices (outside of choosing not to make a Linux distributable)
Being said, it has gone a long way since I started using Linux back with Mint Maya. ProtonDB is an excellent resource to find known workarounds when it breaks, But you definitely should not go into any Linux system expecting it to “just work™”
Tell me you haven’t tried Proton on Linux without telling me you haven’t tried Proton on Linux.
I have multiple versions of proton installed currently. However, I’ve mostly given up on the glorious egg rolls because they seem to have caused more issues than they are worth. But if you have a specific version that you’ve found is easier to use and not as annoying, I’m up for suggestions.
Once my system loads, I’ll tell you what versions I’ve tried and which ones I’ve had issues with.
lmk
Currently I have proton GE 9-7 as my default for steam(with the hope that it works), and when that fails I swap to proton 9-0-4 or experimental, but I have GE 10-10 and 10-4 installed but they currently aren’t on any games as I haven’t got any games to seem to want to run with them.
Then on lutris main I’m using a custom runner for one of my games because it needs to get around EAC since standard support is iffy, but I default to Wine 10 for it as they state proton shouldn’t be used on non-steam. However I do have Lutris-GE-8-26 installed but it only ever worked right on one of the games.
Then for lutris on my distrobox Arch container(because FF XIV and Genshin launchers & controller support break for some reason otherwise) I use Wine-ge-8-26 which is a coinflip of if it lets me launch or crashes which makes me suspect that theres a race condition somewhere.
I haven’t had good experiences with GE which is why I was hoping you might have some recommendations on a /stable/ version if you can call GE stable lol
Tl;dr parrotted talking points completely irrelevant since 2022
Additionally, if the game requires any type of integration into basically anything Microsoft
If you want to specifically use Microsoft software then you have to use Microsoft software? Wow, gee, what a perceptive point. You got me there lmao
I’m parroting old talking points because those talking points still exist. They existed in 2022. They existed in 2012 when I started, and they still exist today August 2025.
I said I agree that wines gotten better, but I’m sick and tired of people thinking that it’s some sort of magical unicorn that can just resolve all the inner communication issues with Windows & Linux.
In the last 2 months alone I have had several games that have failed to launch completely. at least 10 games that have required me using a specific proton version. One game that required me to install a custom wine runner that’s specifically configured for the game to function, a handful of software incompatibilities, The most annoying of which being the software that is supposed to make my headset compatible with the computer, which required me due to the fact it’s not compatible with wine, to have to make my own audio profile to split the two mixes it has, and I’m currently working on a custom user interface for it to allow me to actually change the settings on the headset.
All of these examples are completely ignoring the reason that you provided of companies not wanting to support it. It’s just the support doesn’t exist in the current wine infrastructure. If we’re including the games that are using kernel level AC or disabling the usage on Linux, that list becomes bigger.
those talking points still exist. They existed in 2022. They existed in 2012 when I started, and they still exist today August 2025.
Nope!
at least 10 games that have required me using a specific proton version
So in other words, 10 games that worked on Linux…
10 games that /launched/ on linux. there is a difference. It was for sure not 10 games that ran the same as if in a windows enviroment. For example one of those games in that critera you can’t tab out of it or it hard crashes. (Safecracker if you were curious)
Another one of those games was “The Isle” which has a raving disco ball sky during the night time.
Then theres phas… which while it functions the mic support is iffy cant work in lobby and night vision video is broken
Of the popular titles, of what I tried was probably Phas, Death Stranding (random crashes when the BT’s show), Sniper Elite 3 (overall laggy), Ark SE (not surprising but it has massive pre-game queueing if the server is modded so it takes 20-30 minutes to enter a modded server), Genshin Impact (controller issue on my main OS so i need to run it on my Arch distrobox) and FF XIV which launcher crashes unless I run it in a distrobox, and has weird audio issues.
I have been trying to get the sims to work on my wife’s Linux laptop. I can either get it to run at 3-4fps, or I can get it to run without the ability to save anything.
I have Steam deck and with every game I have tried on it so far working, I thought it would be the same with a laptop. Boy was I wrong.
What distro of Linux did you install on the laptop? I’ve had no luck getting wine to work on Fedora, but my desktop is running Bazzite which is based on the steam deck OS and I’m games run great (sometimes with tweaking required).
Mint Cinnamon
Oh, Sims 4 fit girl pack Ive gotten to run consistently on Cinnamon. Feel free to ping me sometime if you try it and run into an issue, I may be able to get lucky with a pointer.
It’s got a shit ton of expansions in it.
Edit: (Believe the last couple of times I did the installs through Lutris. I just picked the .exe and used the standard wine defaults for the install, then once it’s done I believe it worked fine by adding a game and pointing it to the .exe for the play file. Then if you feel like it you can switch to proton to see if you get better performance, but a Mint install with a Pentium Processor with 4gb of ram (HP touchsmart) was able to run it, so most anything should be able to use the standard wine setup just fine.)
I receive this error while running the setup.exe through lutris.
I also tried installing the version you can download through lutris which seems to only be a simsync app that never connects to anything.
Edit to add:
Not sure which Sims you’re referring to, but it looks like it should work: https://www.protondb.com/search?q=the+Sims+
It looks like The Sims 4 is the only one that might need some tinkering. Stupid EA installers…
Though the only entry for the first Sims game that appears in the results is the “Legacy Collection,” so if you’re referring to like the original CD-ROM or something, it might be different.
Edit: just noticed that Sims 3 doesn’t appear to have any entries on ProtonDB so I don’t know… If any of them don’t work is most likely because of EA bullshit
Sims 4, and I have tried every version of Proton, I have tried proton ge or whatever it is, I have tried every suggestion in the sims 4 protondb entry.
I have tried the suggestions in my thread about it. (I think there was one I still need to try, actually)
I have the fitgirl repack, I have tried via steam, I have tried the .exe from EA.
Weird. I’m pretty sure I have played via steam and it worked. I’ll maybe try later if I remember.
I have heard that from other people, but have seen on protondb there are as many that can play it as the cannot. I think I have it working finally is lutris, after almost a month of trying different things.
Bummer, sorry to hear that.
I never gave a reason why a game would/wouldn’t run on Linux. I just said that games are a reason some people continue to use Windows.
It’s a very small subset of games and most are live service microtransaction garbage not worth playing anyway. Many are spyware and viruses disguised as games, eg Valorant
The quality of those games is irrelevant. The user asked why people still use Windows and I gave a few examples. Simple as that.
You are arguing for the sake of it.
The user asked why people still use Windows and I gave a few examples.
You gave examples, but they were incorrect and invalid examples. As I already corrected you, you’re parroting a myth because games do run on Linux. In fact, games run better and faster on linux than windows
No, they’re saying you are making a mountain of molehill and using it as justification. You are saying you are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
Now you two feel free to proceed, I have my popcorn.
Yeah but they are saying a reason why people don’t move, not a justification of why he isn’t.
That said I had to run a program that detected my computer specs for a job interview recently, and they flagged my machine because I had just booted Windows in Virtual box so I could hopefully pass their test. Instead I had to borrow my spouses laptop, run the test then went back to using my computer for everything else once the test was over.
That said, you should never take a job that requires you to use your own hardware… But desperate times…
@theunknownmuncher @TheFeatureCreature
Ok let’s give you some more software which still don’t work with linux
- recordbox
- serato
- traktor
- engine djWhile recordbox 6 still worked in a kvm environment … recordbox 7 crashes even in this environment.
You can to a certain degree avoid maybe serato or traktor and use “engine dj in a kvm” to prepare denon stuff but you always need recordbox for preparing usb sticks too as a dj.Again, further proving my point. Rekordbox was arbitrarily designed to detect if it is being run with WINE to prevent use with linux. There is no technical incompatibility, only a policy choice, and you can get rekordbox to run with linux if you jump through hoops to defeat the WINE detection.
@theunknownmuncher i used a kvm not wine. My guess it requieres a certain level of HW Acceleration on the GPU Side to be runable ( the new AI Stuff in RB 7.x ).
Fun fact their support wanted me to install a amd gpu driver in my kvm ( i was laughing ) … after telling them this doesn’t make sense i got to some other support unit and they told me this isn’t a supported environment and i should keep using RB 6 which basically is getting slower and slower with every release …PS: if you got a good link to get RB 7.x to run in WINE ( Proton ) and being able to hand in removable media and such i would not mind to take my time to set this up.
I say this as a Linux user, Windows is still considerably easier to use and it certainly looks a lot slicker.
and it certainly looks a lot slicker.
As someone who is still required to use Windows on my work laptop, hard disagree.
Im genuinely curious as to what themes and DE you’re using that looks better. In Windows everything is slick and polished, stuff slides and bounces around, the colours are consistent and work together, it’s all pretty elegant. I’m using KDE right now and all that I get is the start menu thing changes shade when I hover the mouse over it. I also use Gnome and XFCE, Gnome is pretty good and XFCE is obviously really basic.
You just answered my question. I was going to ask you earlier and then forgot to hit send. Because I thought plasma actually looked really slick, so I was going to recommend it. Especially with how customizable it is.
The biggest annoyance that was to get used to was the change in overall size of the menu bars, but once you’ve been using Linux for a week or two, it actually hurts your eyes going back onto Windows again.
I use KDE. Have you messed with “edit mode” on the desktop yet (just right click on the desktop and hit “edit mode”). There’s also tons of themes and other visual customizations on their site (that you can either access manually on a browser, or access through KDE itself when in the theme settings). You can make it look pretty much however you want.
I despise the way Windows looks and feels.
I have one extremely important game that is a half life 1 mod and will NOT run on Linux.
Plus, pretty much all I do on my main desktop is play games.
If your PC doesn’t support Windows 11 then it makes sense to switch to Linux. But staying on an EOL OS when you could upgrade is plain stupid.
Windows 11 is hardly an upgrade.
If they still insist on shoving recall down our throats I refuse to downgrade to 11.
I have windows 11 and I don’t have recall enabled.
I remain very skeptical about this.
It would not surprise me in the least to find out that “disabling” Recall only disables the user-facing aspects of it, but that the data collection still happens in the background regardless.
I have no proof of this, it is pure speculation, but it would be in line with behavior Microsoft has demonstrated before when adding new “features”. Would anyone like to play Bejeweled?
You would kinda notice the disk usage. Last I saw it was quite image heavy and could use a fair amount if you had a lot of activity.
I’ve tried to use 11 multiple times in VMs and other peoples computers and I just hate that awful shit. It’s the biggest downgrade since 8 and 8.1
What is Pete Davidson doing to that poor soul?
Oh good, M$ won’t try to break my machine anymore? Sweet, thanks for giving me a reason to use my local account only.
Ages ago I suggested installing Linux on my partner’s parents old desktop. It’s still running win10 but it’s pretty slow, likely from a decade of bloat. Probably a HDD too which isn’t going to help. Saying Linux scared them.
Recently they were told it is no longer supported and can’t update to win11. Or some kind of popup like that anyway. They asked if it’s time to replace the machine. This time I said I could put a lightweight OS similar to what a Chromebook has and they are much more interested. Probably also look at sticking a small SSD in there, it’s only used for web browsing.
At this point, I’m starting not to feel bad for people who put themselves through this shit. Using windows nowadays is like staying in an abusive relationship while you have an actual chance to get out, then complaining about it. Linux works no problem. And if a software/hardware vendor refuses to bring it to Linux, then you vote with your wallet. We need to let go of a bit of our love for “convenience” and try to be uncomfortable a tiny bit. Be a tiny bit inconvenienced.
You should have sympathy for people in abusive relationships. Your judgmental attitude is ridiculous in both respects.
And the thing of it is, back in the good old days you actually had to learn how to use your computer. This took effort, comprehension, and skill. And probably reading some manuals. Like, actual words printed on dead trees, bound up into a book. This was normal and expected, and you would build up your skillset to operate the machine you probably paid thousands of dollars for. No one had a problem with this then.
Learning to use Linux is no different, but nowadays everyone just wants everything handed to them and they’ll steadfastly refuse to put forth any effort while simultaneously failing to realize that figuring out whatever the next workaround is to get around something that Microsoft broke for them in the last update is basically exactly the same thing. Think back when you were learning to use DOS or trying to install your VESA local bus video card drivers in Windows 3.1, or desperately fiddling around with EMM386 in your config.sys file to try to get enough conventional memory freed up at startup to run Doom. If you had the amount of online resources we have now to just get the answer and not have to call tech support (and probably pay for it), or paw through a manual, or just be fucked and have to figure out by trial and error on your own, we would have all been stoked.
Entitlement breeds complacency, and complacency leads to the Dark Side. If you go out of your way to teach yourself to be helpless, you will be helpless.
Back then you owned your computer. By and large outside of some specific special purpose fuckery with licensing dongles you physically possessed the software you ran. Like, on a disk. You controlled what you ran, not some outside source. With all of the commercial operating systems (this includes OSX and iOS, Android, and Windows all to various degrees) this is now actively being taken away from you. The only way to claim it back is to run one of the open source platforms.
There are families with 4 children with a full time job that need to also maintain cars, a house, do taxes, estates, bikes, computers laptops iPads tvs, routers, electrical wiring, heating, water, aircon and cel phones among all the other equipment in the house for every day living like coffee machines, fridges, dishwashers, washer dryer, ovens and stove tops sinks and toilets … I can understand and respect that they don’t have the time to know how to build or troubleshoot all these things from the ground up and commit all their time to doing all of it just cuz they bought a slice of convenience. Cuz any one of these things they use daily could be used against them for not knowing how to do the basics of.
And any parent with stretched time I would not call that helpless. Parenting seems pretty hard. The feeding alone. And they don’t go out to hunt or gather like in the old days. If they picked only one thing out of that to commit their time and it’s to their family I’d say their priorities are correct.
It’s a computer. It’s a tool for some and for others: it’s a hobby. Your decision. you do you and whatever blows your hair back.
If you’re that eager to be crunchy and ‘purist’ about doing all the legwork of everyday existence go back to pissing in an outhouse, maintaining that just for ‘simplicity’ and take your own garbage to the dump, i think there are even communes you could join to experience that raw life but i still don’t understand this fear of progression.
Anyways point is: Gatekeeping is so cringe. And I’m saying this to you as a fellow Linux user.
We can be better than this. Be better than this.
Who’s gatekeeping? You’re putting an awful lot of words in my mouth. I’m pointing out that a lot of people are effectively gatekeeping themselves.
I think you rather missed the point.
Everyone has fantastic resources available to them through the internet that didn’t exist in the early 1980s, or whenever. And yet, people with four kids and cars and mortgages and taxes managed back then. It’s even easier now. The only obstacle to anyone is apathy.
Speaking of missing the point : you’re doing a perfect example of apathy.
the main difference is that Microsoft builds features quickly and for profit. that means the focus isn’t always on what the user wants, so they make tradeoffs that are good enough to not disturb the user base. recently with the AI craze basically showing how little they really care for the user.
Linux on the other hand is FOSS, anyone who wants a feature can build it. this is slower to deliver because the profit incentive (if there even is one) isn’t as big but that also means there don’t have to be compromises to delivered features.
looking at both these operating models i would rather be in the group building the future for users rather than shareholders. if it means waiting a few months for a few things to work as smoothly as I want I’m ok with that because it only keeps getting better and it’s literally free.
Honestly I firmly agree with this. If it doesn’t work with wine nowadays unless it’s a big thing i just don’t involve myself with it.
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OSChromeOS wannabe.
This just in, convicted monopoly Microsoft will fuck you over at every conceivable opportunity. Film at 11.
convicted monopoly
Well that’s a blast from the past. That was neat-o how Mr Boies nailed a conviction and the remedy was … An apology? Was it even that much?
Glad to see Microsoft is successfully building on that crushing no-remedy defeat by doing the same and more. #winning
It was actually significant, and changed them quite a lot for 2 decades. Now they don’t give a shit anymore. But there was an impact.
Woukd have been more significant if Bush admin hadn’t overridden the original judgment to break MS into 3 companies.
Right and MS will not lose nothing cus if that
Yeah I mean how are they going to verify you paid without an associated account
A key, exactly like they did it for decades? Same way they verified you paid for that copy of Windows?
Don’t you need a Windows account to buy a key?
Back in the days of Dinosaurs and AOL CDs, you could just go to Best Buy and buy a CD with the Windows software and a key was printed on a scratch-off panel.
You could even just buy a key electronically from some grey market websites.
Right, well, its not 2003 anymore
What’s your point? Is it now somehow no longer physically possible to sell product keys in store due to some higher decree?
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Why yes, our bodies, and our brains, are designed to be as dense as possible to be more efficient! This is why our brains’ gray matter has a lot of crevices so it can fold onto itself.
You can prevent piracy using a stronger keygen algorithm and online activation.
Valve sells product keys all the time, you don’t hear about them having a keygen problem. People just bypass the authentication altogether and simply torrent the software, which is something people still do with Windows 11.
It was still like that up until Windows 8, at least.
As someone who has actually never bough a Windows key even though I started with Win 98, and I before this Win 10 installation have never genuinely activated any them, I quite easily understand why they don’t do it that way any more. I also do remember back when Windows 7 was going through this exact same thing how trivially easy it was to get those updates without paying - so easy in fact that most people assumed MS did it on purpose just so that people would rather pirate them than run an unpatched installation for three years.
It’s not an assumption, it’s the reality. They made it easy so they could obtain marketshare, same shit every company does before they bend you over.
I mean… I have valid keys for various Windows versions I never paid for 🤷♂️
hatred against Microsoft aside, this change doesn’t surprise me. With forcing an account, it allows them to tie your support subscription directly to an account instead of having it be a product key, which is annoying for both the user and the agent in trying to validate whether or not it’s in support or not.
Like, I hate the mentality of needing to use Microsoft services to use a Microsoft system, but this is one of their decisions that I can somewhat understand, it makes it far easier for subscription based setups.
There are a few ways of doing that without harvesting PII . This is just naked disdain for people not hooking up for oneChive overages.
It’s a different system if I understand the article correctly. It looks like its just a Microsoft account not a one drive sub. I’m expecting they are just going to only allow 10 computers per account and then when it hits max it stops getting support on new systems (since updates are involved I doubt they will let you remove devices like with the current activation system). Now I do expect that the payment is the same system, and considering their dark tactics at trying to get you to subscribe and update, I do assume this is going to make it easier to accidentally spend money or subscribe to other services though.
The article explicitly pointed out this extended security patching does not cover support
It’s easy to agree with Microsoft when you don’t bother reading the article and just make up a reason to support their decision
I’m sorry, but you’re misreading what they mean by support in that article because I did read it. They’re still gonna give support regarding the ESU program as a whole(otherwise they would be sued for fraud), which includes installation, activation, and regressions of the program. What they’re not going to be providing is general technical support which is a different beast, If you would like more information, you can read about it here as well.
