Not sure I trust the methodology here. I would’ve expected shows like The Ezra Klein Show or Pod Save America to be fairly big on the left here (and on the Apple Podcast charts, TEKS is ahead in rank of some that are listed here, PSA not far behind).
The description of the methodology is not very clear. For example, it’s unclear what they consider a “show”, what their search strategy was to arrive at their initial list of shows, and how the raters determined whether a show was leaning left or right (i.e., some of this is described but not in a way that would make it reproducible, and there seems to be some gut feel involved). The exclusion of shows produced by TV stations makes sense but excludes more left- than rightwing sources.
I don’t doubt that right-wing shows have the upper hand in the non-traditional media market and agree this is a problem, but this project may be exaggerating the difference a bit.
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Did something change? Last I knew they were insufferable libs
Same with Ezra Klein, who is representing the enlightened center.
To me, Ezra Klein is a pretty clear example of a left-leaning US political commentator. Not a far-left one, sure, but still one I would firmly expect to show up on the left-leaning side of this list. I know that ratings like this are far from perfect, but the AllSides media bias rating seems to agree (though marked as initial/low confidence): https://www.allsides.com/news-source/ezra-klein
Based on your evaluation, what would be an example of a commentator that leans moderately left (like just left of center) to you?
Someone else already replied, but I personally consider centrism as the whole middle range of the dial, so to speak, and not just the point directly in its “middle.” So if someone is a corporate apologist and they maybe have some socially lefty views but then they regularly bag on actual leftists and espouse “abundance” that’s basically a handout to real estate developers instead of actually addressing wealth inequality—then I consider them a centrist.
Ezra Klein is a pretty clear example of a left-leaning US political commentator.
Fascism and genocide are directly opposed to leftism.
what would be an example of a commentator that leans moderately left (like just left of center) to you?
Hasan maybe. Dude is a capitalist creep but does tend to promote some actual leftism.
Fascism and genocide are directly opposed to leftism.
Liberal leftism yes but not socicalist and communist leftism.
Pretty Ezra Klein is a genocidal fascist not a leftist…
According to .world, supporting genocide is the moral leftist ideal, and if you don’t support genocide you’re a fascist.
They also think the sky is yellow and the everyone wears a goatee in their mirror universe.
The source has other infographics in case you were more than mildly interested through no fault of your own. https://www.mediamatters.org/google/right-dominates-online-media-ecosystem-seeping-sports-comedy-and-other-supposedly
I don’t listen to or follow any of the sources on the chart, and I don’t like politics. That said, as a passerby I thought it was an interesting chart. One thing I thought about, the legacy media that is highly manipulated in my opinion is dominated by so-called left and the pseudo independent in my opinion voices in red on the chart are dominated by so-called right.
I believe most people no longer trust the legacy media and are turning to just about anything else as an alternative.
I think most people mistakenly think that some of these voices in red are independent of or not affected by persuasion, coercion, other. Some of these voices in red are also potentially literal government agents.
All that said, I also find it interesting that there are not more blue dots: pseudo independent so-called left voices.
Does this mean that the so-called left audience is captive to the legacy media? And/or does this mean that the so-called left audience does not trust independent voices?
I will check some of the comments to the original post to see if anybody has thoughts on that.
Anyways, thanks for your time.
Yes. Because educated individuals dont listen to talking heads.
I mean I do listen to left leaning news. Not right wing propaganda disguising as news
The left has its voices, but I don’t know many left-leaning people who hang on every word of media personalities. It seems less cult-ish.
Fun fact:
The Right owns online discussion because the left doesn’t support itself or really even engage meaningfully in significant numbers
So when Right posts, they only get flack from some left
When Left posts, they get flack from ALL right AND MOST of the left as well
Since most sites use popularity voting for visibility, this means in every case this gives the right significant more reach
Stop tearing down your leftist fellows, you won’t tho
When Left posts, they get flack from ALL right AND MOST of the left as well
Yeah, remember when the right was raging when Soros was funding left leaning causes, but they are mum when climate-change denying, racist, LGBT-phobe, rich oligarchs are funding anyone on the right?
If repugnicans didn’t have hypocrisy, they’d have no platform at all
And calling it out only highlights how powerless dems are to stop it
Right isn’t as unified as you might think. There’s plenty of right on right violence, especially when a channel that operates under the veneer of enlightenment or “smarts” does something that goes against it, like recent JP Jubilee appearance.
Left is also a very wide umbrella, not some team, so when someone is being idiotic, giving flack and “infighting” is good.
If you were even an atom correct we wouldn’t be in fascism right now
The left’s infighting is what lost this election. Every single Genocide Joe abstainer needs to have their voting rights removed permanently since they can’t handle the responsibility of having such power.
And that wide umbrella has a fucktonne of misandrists that are the cause of gamergate’s publicity and consequently Bannon’s pro-drumpf propaganda campaign followed the same pattern
So that wide umbrella could use some closing
The things you tout as ‘values’ are why we are here where we are now, so it’s time to change them.
You think infighting is good, but the people in control of every branch of our government are in power now because in the 80s Reagan forced them all to stop attacking each other and they accomplished ALL of their fucking goals ahead of time
Your rhetoric is old, failed and objectively useless in the modern political landscape
Liberals are on the right. The democratic part is center-right.
Lol, so much for “stop tearing down your leftist fellows”.
Only liberals say this shit, and they mean “abandon any leftist projects and give unquestioning support for imperialism abroad and austerity at home”
It reminds me of nazis complaining the left calls everyone nazis; this isnt a general problem everyone has.
Very much so, though I’m still shocked by how little they even try to pretend otherwise. Just one post to go from saying the left needs to stop infighting to tearing into the left like a rabbid wolverine.
The right is also pretty much unified in their one big Russia-funded ideological echo chamber, or at the very least, unwilling to speak out against it. Even if the left stopped the infighting with all their purity tests, it’ll take a lot more to counter the right.
I guarantee you that the vast majority funding for right wing echo chambers comes from domestic oligarchs. Honestly, the most effective right wing misinformation campaign has been the one to get liberals to blame everything on reds under the bed.
Just in case, define “purity test” with examples.
My only purity test is that I will never support anyone ignorant or insincere enough to talk about “purity tests”.
“Purity tests” is a thought terminating cliche created by Democratic consultants to shut down legitimate dialog with the left. If the Democratic establishment didn’t have purity tests of their own, then whence “Anybody but Bernie”. Maybe try grappling with what those purity tests look like.
Add the “vote blue, no matter who” as thought terminating cliche. The Democrats are enabling the Republicans anyway!
At least that one has been proven to be bullshit by the establishment’s reaction to the Mamdani campaign. I don’t think it’s going to be as useful to them going forward.
If purity test isn’t the right wording, then there’s still plenty of infighting, even if it stems from legitimate criticism. My point was that the right’s lock-step mentality is what gives them such a huge advantage.
Oh, there is plenty of infighting, but putting it on the left is nonsense. If the establishment fought the right as hard as they fight the left, it would be Democrats running the whole government.
I think the imbalance in available funding is what makes the difference.
Also, you immediately started tearing into other leftists one post later
How much overlap is there?
Because I’d bet the same type of asshole that listens to assholes like shapiro, peterson, etc, also listens to rogan.not much, they are funded by the same person/people, and the get thier propaganda marching orders from a “country” known for its troll farms.
Asmongold…you have got to be shitting me. imagine getting your “news” from a guy that used a dead rat as an alarm clock, wipes the blood from his gums on his bedroom wall, used to routinely eat snacks that had maggots in them, and treats drinking water like it’s poison.
A guy who could barely play WoW and left his main account on twitch because making money from viewers on that was “too stressful” proceeds to start an alt channel where he nows grifts the right for money.
I don’t get why people dislike him so much. You don’t have to agree with everything he says, and he presents stuff pretty honestly. If you don’t like it, just don’t watch it
You need to take a hard look at your life, and maybe seek some therapy
Alright buddy
why follow someone that looks like homeless person, and never showered. people who dont like him arnt agreeing with him at all. and his recent drama with other influencers is quite stupid on his point.
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I don’t watch him, and neither should you. He’s a con artist. It’s painfully obvious he’s grifting his viewer base with his “hot takes”. He doesn’t present jack shit honestly. Remember when he called the Palestinian people “inferior”? He discovered he could milk people like you for money by saying the most dumb shit and you eat it up like pigs eating shit.
Idk, his reaction content just comes up on my second monitor once in a while. I’ve never given him anything. I think it’s healthy to take in opinions other than my own, and I don’t get brainwashed by media personalities, but then again, I’m not American
The man is a biohazard that I can smell through the monitor.
Shitstaingold: “Muh Superior Western Culture”
Also Shitstaingold: “I never clean my room, have roaches, and never wash my hands”
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I dunno who this person is… But this chart was apparently made my Media Matters according to the credits at the bottom.
All I know of him is he starts showing up on my YouTube if I dont wipe my brwser every few weeks. Haven’t watched anything of his but based off the video titles I’ve seen and his face I don’t see how anyone would want to watch them. He just looks dirty.
Chosen of Nurgle
Growing up in the 90s, teachers and adults were always saying “the geek shall inherit the Earth” or shit like that. We were told we would create a progressive and peaceful tech utopia with a post-scarcity economy where no one goes without.
Well, we did inherit the earth. And all that happened was hateful fucking dirtbags like Asmongold getting paid to play video games and wormtongue their far right incel bullshit into our kid’s ears.
They get funding, that much is obvious. It was the same story with the Nazis who got massive support from obvious sources.
Yep. “influencers” make their content free. Big newspapers with national reach just refuse to be read online, they want subscriptions.
There’s some good community papers but they don’t get much reach because the Internet doesn’t necessarily show you local stuff
I get my news from right here. So if I am misinformed: It’s y’all’s fault! 😝
To those asking about the imbalance— it’s money. Just like older forms of media (print, radio, tv) there’s much deeper pockets for right-wing “funding” than on the left. And many left leaning outlets/personalities will turn down cash flows that might limit their control over their content. Follow the money. Always.
It’s not just money, it’s the fact that leftists tear down other leftists more than they tear down right wing posts
The right doesn’t have this problem
No, it’s the money
Exactly this. And the saddest thing is that it’s not even rational criticism, just arbitrary “purity tests”. “You are not left enough, go fuck yourself.” “Wait, why are there so many people on the right?”
THere’s also the fact that our umbrella is so big it contains members that want to see all men dead in a literal sense so…
What are some examples of these “irrational purity tests”?
More likely, this is an artifact of a poorly condicted study. As someone else pointed out, John Oliver isn’t listed. To me, this just indicates that more left people get their news from sources which didnt fit the study’s criteria for whatever reason.
One more thing to add is lot of non-US right wingers watch stuff like Rogan and Carlson. If you want I can point you to an Indian tech forum where you’ll see users parroting exact same points.
That does not the case with leftists/progressives/liberals. If they’re not American, they don’t see any reason to watch Trevor Noah or Colbert cause they’ll be more concerned about local politics.
I myself used to keep up with US politics before the orange turd came back for the second time. Now I’ve cut it down drastically. Only John Oliver’s episode I saw this season was for AI.
Is this graph supposed to be useful in any way? It excludes a huge number of voices from the left and also have a bunch of circles without names and just some random 1.1m or 2m NR on them but without any indication of who they represent more than their color.
I don’t understand why bubbles with seemingly random positions was chosen to represent this data.
is whyElmo how could you! How dare you display data on a format that poorly communicated the data! You were supposed to be better than this!
I still can’t believe we’re going back to the days of muppet robber barons, beating up schoolchildren for enough lunch money to “respool their bobbins” (elmo made me censor that)
Midas touch surpassed Rogan on some platforms at some point, thankfully.
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I find it interesting - and a little concerning - that there are so many more right-leaning voices than left. I have to ask a simple question - why has the left not produced more strident voices and more people able to make popular content?
You can find lots of left leaning online personalities, but left leaning voters don’t generally get their news from Vlogs and don’t really care about meaningless statements without data or by people with no real power to affect.
Because most of these people make cheap potshots, even the ones with evidence to back themselves up. Just look at John Stewart, he can be incredibly insightful… but the majority of his comments during interviews are sarcastic cracks about how things aren’t working as they should be.
The basis of a lot of left-leaning philosophies are abstract and complicated. That makes it hard to sum them up in convenient sound bites that are easy for mass audiences to consume. It also means that it can be very fractious, as the complicated nature of these philosophies lead to a wide variety of nearly-the-same-but-not-quite conclusions. Considering the very black and white, good versus bad, mentality that has been most prevalent at least since the WWII (if not earlier), this generally leads to people being unwilling to work with people whom they agree with 95% of the time… and that last 5% ends up being the most important to them.
Voices need an audience and leftists are shit at organizing right now
Plus what are they going to campaign on? Even more corporate welfare?
The left had a ton of progressive voices and the DNC spends a fucktonne of money making sure they never ever get an audience.
Bernie would have saved us from Trump twice and the DNC shitcanned him for fear of losing their corporate gravy train
I am guessing here, but right wing shows seem to have more finances. They are run by wealthy people, playing power games, who have sociopathic motivations.
Left wing shows are more run on a minimal budget, more for selfless reasons, by people who have a day job too.
Because the left doesn’t have oligarchs with functionally infinite money funding them.
I mean personally my beliefs are really straight forward. I don’t need influencers it’s only complicated when you’re internally dishonest and insecure.
I’m left leaning, however the only time I’ve watched Brian Taylor Cohen or Midastouch was because I got click-bated into watching what became a hyperbolic video subject.
After the first 5 minutes, when the facts become opinions, I immediately switch off. I simply hate fake shit.
those are what you call RESISTANCE grifters, they depend on outrage or clickbait and pretending that they are exposing something against or criticizing the right, but offer no real solution. I get enough fill on them from reddit posts of thier SC posts, so i dont watch thier actual videos.
The left doesn’t need their opinions constantly validated by personalities. The left enjoys (and understands) satire more. Voices like Colbert, and Jon Stewart, and John Oliver.
Are my eyes failing me, or are they not in the chart?
Having a hard time pre-deciding who and what content I think should appear in such a chart. Vlog brothers? e-newspapers?
Josh Jonson Taylor Tomlinson hell 60% of the standup comedians easily. The picture would be much different with them in. Colbert alone would blow rogan out the water.
In that case, I think this chart is probably saying more about what kinds of media people with different leanings consume, not so much about deep pockets or a generational shift.
Late Show with Colbert has 10.1mil subscribers on Youtube, so yeah it should be on there.
If you expand to network TV for this chart — which I think you should, cuz all network TV has a digital presence too these days — it had an average of 2.42mil viewers per episode on TV through Q2.
Joe Rogan, for comparison, boasts 11mil listeners per episode.
So even just based on equating to network TV viewership, he’d probably be somewhere between MeidasTouch and The Breakfast Club.
There’s probably some truth to this, but it also leans into the “MSM is lying to you” narrative that’s pervasive in far right (and far left) circles. A production with [the appearance of] a low budget is associated with “genuineness” by most people. You can’t be paid off by the big corpos if you’re doing it out of the goodness of your heart…or so the reasoning goes.
I frequently see people on the left commenting “I don’t recognize this as a trusted source.” Or “Is this just someone’s blog?” Or, “I’m not seeing this published anywhere else.”
There is a lot of astroturfing, garbage, and propaganda that gets published online and on TV. I wish people would look into things more before believing everything they see on tv or read. People’s critical reading skills have definitely gone out the window, and it is totally being taken advantage of.
It’s not just politics either. Lots of fake product reviews, medical misinformation, etc. constantly showing up in search results, YouTube ads, TikTok videos, etc. And influencers are just the new “As Seen On TV” pitchmen of this century.
You don’t see Colbert or Stewart, or Oliver trying to sell you timeshares, or snake oil, or get rich quick schemes. Quite the opposite.
that sounds alot more like right wingers pretending to be on the left, to stok anger division, i dont pay attention to those posts.
Most of the ones labeled “left” here are pushing center right talking points at best.
The actual leftist online sources, like African Stream, are straight up banned from the platforms. The right wing sources dominate because they don’t challenge corporate interests, and are not subject to censorship.
