Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.
It’s a sharp rise from 18 months ago, when 19% of Americans said the same.
Fundamentally, elections were designed to be a peaceful alternative to the peasantry revolting against the government and beheading their king. As Americans come to grip with the reality that their elections are meaningless, their politicians are bought and their only alternative to fascism is fascism-lite with a pride pin (no trans ppl allowed though) this attitude will continue to fester.
This reflects a feeling of being backed into a corner. What else are we going to do when our political views and goals and ffs human beings are being criminalized? Every decent thing getting rolled back and every horrible thing dialed up to 11. Fuck republicans. One way or another they will regret this. Whether people vote them out or get violent with them remains to be seen but this will not last, obviously.
I can’t wait until the day that these filth learn that we outnumber them 10 to 1.
It’s up to them how they learn this fact.
I’m terrified of it.
I’ve talked to relatives on both sides of my family who have experience those times and they have nothing good to say about it.
My grandmother went from hoping the Nazis would ignore her, to hoping the American bombs would miss her, to hoping that the Russian soldiers wouldn’t rape her.
My grandfather had guys from both the KMT and the CPC point guns at his head to try to get him to join (on separate occasions) and ended up a refugee.
Both China and Austria are doing very nicely now but boy did it suck getting there.
My grandmother went from hoping the Nazis would ignore her, to hoping the American bombs would miss her, to hoping that the Russian soldiers wouldn’t rape her.
Its a shame she didn’t just start fighting back instead of just hoping they’d ignore her.
The fuck is wrong with you?
Some people are not fighters. The species is full of variation because we are cultural and depend on specialization. I state the obvious.
We all have choices to make. To live as a slave, or fight for freedom. Are some people just “naturally slaves”?
Soldiers require 2 to 20 people each providing support. You can resist without picking up a gun. Stop assuming.
Providing support isn’t the same as “hiding and hoping Nazis ignore me”. Spoiler: They wont ignore you for long, and you hoping they go away just allows them to centralize and build their power.
Yeah. It’s a shame she didn’t get together with all her teenage friends and face off against the SS. That definitely would have stopped them in their tracks.
How do you think they were beaten? By running away?
And loads if French resistors were teenaged.
What was the single biggest success of the French resistance?
What would those teenagers have done differently to not end up like the White Rose?
They provided a massive amount of intelligence, without with, the advance of Allied forces would have been far slower, and far more bloody. They also freed quite a number of Allied POWs, and got them back past the lines. They also downed comms and infra against the Nazis to blind them and slow their advances. They were also a key reason France was able to rapidly rebuild it’s forces post WWII.
Do people just skip WWII history these days?
They aren’t afraid. They have the Department of War, and ICE to protect them and their property.
There are about 1.3 million active duty military, 137,000 federal law enforcement officers, and 800,000 total law enforcement in the country. There are about 350 million people in the United States. They are not even 1% of the population.
And remeber they could win a war agaisnt goat herders in Afghanistan. This is our soil, and americans are crazy armed.
Sounds delusional to me… if we outnumber them 10 to 1 why the fuck is a republican sitting on the highest seat in the country? Everyone just sat out the vote??? Okay. Then what the fuck do you expect them to do to republicans if they can’t even vote?
Imma just leave this here
Okay but without any sort of investigation or evidence this is just a tweet of a crazy rich person… which by the way if we start taking every one of this cunts tweets as fact then I guess that cave diver that saved all those people was actually a pedophile and I also suppose you believe we will colonize mars by 2030? Or that Neuralink can cure all diseases?
Idiots got tired of not being allowed to be racist.
Harris was thoroughly unappealing to many, and the Democrats were masterfully outmaneuvered by the Republicans seeding shit about Gaza and rallying minorities against her.
In swing states there was definitely vote manipulation. You had Musk offering to pay people to vote.
I would say after the outcome of Project 2025, he’s finally pissed off minorities and farmers, and business owners, now he’s working on the military.
Now he’s threatening to send the US military in against cities.
I think the only one delusional here is you. votes will tell eventually.
You left out that we had years of dems talking about DACA but harris/biden tried to triangulate on immigration leading to latinos not voting in many places.
That’s what I used to think too.
Then, around Trump’s first campaign, I talked to plenty of Latinos that voted Republican. They didn’t generally give a fuck about immigration. They were quite happy for the borders to be shut down, where they came from, everything was very fuck you, I got mine. They’re more than happy to pull the ladders up now that they’re over here with their family to limit competition for those job sectors.
They also vote Republican based on entrepreneurial and business wants. They either start small companies or work for small companies. And they see it as very much in their interest for those companies to prosper.
I kind of suspect at this point that they’d be a bit apprehensive to vote Republican with all the Gestapo bullshit going on, still, but I haven’t had any political talks with Latinos since Trump’s first campaign. It’s honestly hard to tell.
Those are not the people that didn’t vote afaik. Immigrants from mexico, central and south america tend to be more catholic and conservative. (Which is why its always actually been about racism) its generally younger latinos that will vote democrat but like all younger voters its more about turnout.
Because they stole the source code to the election machines in 2020 and modified the software to cheat the 2024 election, subverting the will of the people.
If you can’t prove it or enforce it, it doesn’t really matter. Otherwise you sound just like them the first time Trump lost.
Collusion and deception
Everyone just sat out the vote???
Basically, yeah. Because they didn’t want to vote for the red genocide supporter, and they didn’t want to vote for the blue genocide supporter; because no matter what, they’re voting for genocide.
I mean, in reality, most people right now in the US are just upset that US foreign policy has finally reach US shores.
Sweet cherry picking bro. The comment as a whole responds to another whole comment, and here you are taking 5 words and making a whole reply about it. I’m sure Harris wanted to build concentration camps and strip the entire country of their rights, and tariff every country with a name too. You’re right, they’re both so bad you might as well just let Jesus take the wheel.
If she was so worried about Trump, why didnt she vocally oppose the US supporting genocide abroad?
So, yes, she wanted concentration camps. Did you think she was going to shut down the ones Obama opened on our southern border, or did you think they magically disappeared once Biden got elected?
Remember, she’s the “top cop” and cops love oppressing the working class.
I know I’m outnumbered by conservatives in my area. And, while they might not voluntarily admit to bigotry, they do strongly believe in a hierarchy of power, and that failing to be obedient to a higher authority is justification for any punishment you (not them!) receive. They also believe that the laws should reflect “Biblical” teachings and that “The Church” (their church, not those Catholic “idol worshipers”) should be involved in health care, education, and the work place not just reflected in the laws.
They also tend to own guns and know how to use them, but that somewhat depends on their income. It’s an outsized spend, but when you are on food stamps, you aren’t also stockpiling ammo or acquiring more guns.
Numbers alone are meaningless.
Soap box, ballot box, ammo box. They’re trying to take away the 1st 2, so…
Your point is valid, but you forgot “jury box”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty
Well we tried that too and the pussy ass judge gave 0 days in jail so.
Goddamn horseshoe theory skewing this metric
You’re right, why can’t it just be enlightened centrists doing nothing to stop the far-right? That’s the American way afterall.
The real violence is the bodacious left, not the fascists in charge and all their supporters killing so many people.
The image doesn’t load for me, I found the article.
The increase from 12% to 28% of Ds (vs 28->31 of Rs) is the metric I was looking for.
Thanks for finding that. My first thought was wondering how it was laid out by political beliefs. I’m sort of not surprised that the republican view was already the highest, and stayed that way, and sort of surprised that it wasn’t higher to begin with. I guess they likely wouldn’t consider military deployments and ice kidnappings to be violence.
I mean it’s the only outcome those in power are leaving.
This is just people waking up to reality. Trump has the White House, the senate, the House of Representatives, and the courts. He controls the military and has already begun deployment to “democratic” cities. His buddy in Texas is redistricting to help him consolidate power, and I am sure Abbot is not the only one. Every move Trump makes is designed to cripple opposition to his regime. Republican states are purging voter rolls and enacting bullshit laws designed to disenfranchise people of colour.
Milquetoast democrats have made only the most pathetic gestures of opposition to Trump. The first genuine thing Trump ever said was when he expressed surprise yesterday at how little resistance he has faced from the left. Republicans were right about one thing: the American left is a bunch of pussies.
If more Americans think political violence is the only way out of the mess Americans made, it’s probably because they are starting to develop a vague but accurate understanding of what is happening in their country.
The gerrymandering in federal elections is something that amazes me since decades ago. I understand it when it was created. But today? When you can count all ballots in a few hours? I get the divisions when you have to vote for the Senate or your district, but in a federal election you are only voting for one person. Count all the ballots, find the one with the most ballots and name that person president. It’s not that hard.
Perhaps the Democratic Socialists (DS) can become the unifying source of resistance. They are the ones fighting, but there are too few to have political impact.
It’s up to the citizens to back them, and the DS must drum up the leaders and present them so citizens can choose them.
I think the DS values are the closest to the new deal approach that made America a wildly successful nation and beacon for just treatment of humans.
Heck, Europe and Japan took their governing cues from America during the Marshall plan. They are examples of following the ideals our leaders used to value. This is the real “make america great again”.
This is my fondest wish. I think many Americans are ready to rally around someone mounting a serious opposition to Trump, but no one has stepped up so far. I love Bernie and i believe he is important to the movement, but they need a young, charismatic, inspiring leader to start getting very loud about the real situation in the US. It will be an uphill battle because the media have been captured by people either cowed by or sympathetic to Trump. Maybe Lemmy can be the platform for DS in the states. Legacy media has failed (with maybe 1-2 exceptions).
Well, I think AOC is leading the fight, but she needs support to become a major player politically. Mamdavi is evidence of her rising power, and he can now be one of those leaders.
Jasmine Crockett is another. Sure, not DS, but easily a coalition member. I hope there is strong effort foran revolution of leadership in the Democratic Party.
Mamdani
Thanks.
I had a lib tell me the other day that democratic socialists are actually a secret SpecOp branch of the Tea Party tasked with infiltrating the dem party and undermining the efforts of patriots like Jeffries and Schumer, and that it is a blatant lie and MAGA propaganda that countries left of US dems exist and are functional. Europe has apparently been a warzone since WWII because they’re taken over by socialist terror organizations. I was then blocked for linking to the Wikipedia article for Democratic Socialism.
I think breaking the blue tribe propaganda is going to be one hell of an uphill battle, unfortunately. A lot of dems align on policies with leftists, at least socially, but once you use the trigger words, their programming activates and freak the fuck out and call you a MAGA plant despite all evidence to the contrary.
Alright, (s)he might identify as a liberal, but he’s actually exactly the same as the most radicalized MAGA cultists. He just chose a different set of crazy.
That person does not represent even 1% of liberal or progressive adherents. Crazycis crazy, regardless of that lunatic’s flavor of belief.
As for reactions to “democratic socialist” by Democrats, I suspect what you are seeing is from people who are chest deep in the Democratic Party core activist zone. They likely are afraid of change, even if it would better meet their ideals. Their cozy insulated blanket is just soooo warm. :)
As much as I wish it were the case, this is not even close to the only dem I’ve spoken to who is brainwashed into thinking that anything truly left, like much of the world outside of the US, could never work in reality. Suggesting it means you voted 100% for Trump or Stein, and if you say you didn’t you are lying. You can agree with them on damn near every social policy under the sun and provide metrics from progressive nations on their successes, and they’ll refuse to accept that anyone could possibly be more progressive than them, despite literal mountains of easily verifiable evidence.
I think unfortunately many people are just very politically ignorant and have no desire to even begin to question the US process or try anything different. The US is simply the best at everything. Europe and their crazy whacko ideas may as well be an alien planet and not worth thinking about.
Of course this isn’t all people, some shift is happening (as long as its not called socialism, generally), but in my personal experience leftist ideas pretty much get you locked out of any discussion. I typically get smug “Oh its so cute you’re in your socialist phase, you’ll grow out of it and understand politics like me” treatment.
Maybe after 350 years here in America, I need to seriously consider returning this family to Europe 😞
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Guns do not protect you from Fox News.
I disagree with Lemmy (and the growing public sentiment), but for the opposite extreme reason: we are beyond violence changing things. This is a propaganda/reality war, and truth doesn’t really matter.
Self defense.
Violence is how we beat the Nazis the first time. If there’s a cleaner option that’s actually feasible, then yes please… but failing that, cutting the head off the snake is a pretty tried and true method. And if it grows back, cut that one off too - they’ll get the message eventually.
Exactly. Ultimately these people don’t actually believe in anything other than power. Their arguments are in bad faith. Any compromise is just a temporary weigh station as they prepare to push even harder.
How did compromising with the right work for abortion? Parental consent laws became onerous clinical regulations became bans on performing procedures became making getting an abortion legally murder. How did compromising on trans rights go? A few “reasonable concerns” about girl’s sports became blanket bans on sports became bans on life-saving care for minors became restrictions on basic ID documents became attempts to criminalize the very existence of trans people. This isn’t slippery slope conjecture; it’s directly observed history.
The simple awful truth is that we have fundamentally incompatible visions of the world. They see The Handmaid’s Tail as an ideal to aim for. They think the literal God of the universe wants them to create this nightmare. And with God at their backs, they can justify any evil to create their warped utopia. Any action can be justified. Any lie can be excused. Any suffering by any number of people now can be balanced against the perfect lives they imagine we’ll all live once they force us all into their dream world. The worst thing about them, is that they actually think they’re the good guys.
This is the fundamental problem. Their vision of an Earthly paradise is our vision of Hell on Earth. We have fundamentally different visions for the future. They cannot convince the majority of the population to willingly create their vision. So they have to resort to violence, disenfranchisement, propaganda, and fraud. (All justified for the greater good.) And ultimately we’re going to have to use every tactic they use and more if we want to keep these monsters from turning our nation into Gilead.
It’s worked to found the nation and gain independence. It worked to ensure slavery ended. It worked in both world wars. Americans have no problem using it in every single country in Latin America and the middle east. What’s good for the goose…
Just an observation.
Things have been looking for a while like its going to be a Provoked Insurgency
what I mean is that when you have all three levels of the federal government, and you start attacking people. like actually attacking not just mouthing off to the microphones. you put your victims into a situation where they have no choice but to actually use violence and fight back, because doing nothing is a death sentence.
if the rhetoric stays firmly on the Paranoid Delusion Mouth Breathing Talking in Tongues Ultra MAGA level. thats where we’re gonna go. People talk about Civil war all the time and get hyped… but what are you gonna do when you GET Civil War? Bitch that the internet is out and then starve to death?
I’ve kinda been predicting this since his first term, worst case scenario (and at this point increasingly more likely) would be a Syrian civil war style destabilization from within. Fractured and splintered into a number of militias fighting locally for their perceived community/religious sect/ethnicity against a much better equipped state military that can’t cope with the scale of things. Retaliation and backlash against other groups, within and outside of said community, extrajudicial and casual killings, etc.
In other words, a nightmare. This country is just so damn big and full of so many different kinds of people and ideas
Edit bc I just remembered: FUN FACT, at my last job there was a customer I was real cool with, helped him build a Baja 5.0 Ranger. Dude was a Brazilian DACA dreamer who was a diehard trump supporter along with his family, who made it very clear his naturalization was on HIM and they wouldn’t help (they had gotten their citizenship). Very conservative, probably big bolsonaro fans.
He was one of the few trump guys actually interested in what some stupid leftie in a red state had to say, and actually heard me out on this ^ theory. I wonder where he is now.
I wonder where he is now.
Probably in El Salvador.
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It’s a horrific moment to see that people honestly believe that there’s no other alternative at this point than to resort to political violence.
I mean… is it? I think it’s pretty obvious in the context of the regime essentially giving itself carte blanch to perpetrate political violence on its desired scapegoats and opponents.
I’m frankly getting pretty fucking tired of people complaining about how this is a startling development and being shocked by what’s happening. They wrote a playbook back in 2019. They published it on the open internet. They said they would follow it. They are now following it. You are not allowed to be surprised by any of this.
But Trump (lied and) said he didn’t know anything about Project 2025.
You’re not allowed to say the part in brackets without summoning the Gestapo.
This country is BUILT on political violence. The revolutionary war. The civil war. Hundreds of thousands of people died in those conflicts. Only more recently have non-violent protests accomplished anything and that was only possible because of the more free atmosphere those wars established in this country. That freedom is now almost entirely gone. What choice do people have left?
Incredibly recently. The Civil Rights movement included advocacy for political violence, and arguably one of the only reasons it worked was Malcolm X and the Black Panthers saying “hey here’s our alternative if our nonviolent fight doesn’t work, we’re all strapped and willing to hand out more guns if shit requires it”.
Don’t forget the riots and strikes between 1900 and 1920 (or 30?).
Successful application of violence today is complicated by the sophistication of surveillance and the electronic, centralized distribution of money.
It’s difficult to pull together a large enough coalition to be able to fight effectively because the process of finding those people is short circuited by early discovery.
Nonviolence is the only way until a large enough segment of the population is desperate enough to trigger action.
Before that happens, effective leaders must be found and a support network must be readied to go into action quickly to professionalize and unify it when it happens, but before that is used to manage nonviolent action…
While I agree that non-violent is the way to go, I think we need to change our definition of “violence.”
Property destruction should not be considered violent. Especially when precautions are specifically taken to ensure that no people were harmed during act of property destruction or sabotage.
On the other side of things, actions such as destroying wildlife habitat or polluting the air, water, and soil systems of the Earth should be considered “violence.” It is violence towards all of humanity, and towards life itself.
that was only possible because of the more free atmosphere those wars established in this country.
And a healthy dose of “or else” political violence.
The justice system, from the government perspective, is primarily a guard against vigilantism. Once enough people lose faith in the justice system’s ability to enforce the law with at least some degree of honesty and fairness, then the only option people see is to take justice into their own hands.
And when you have meetings. Arrange them in coded language and have everyone leave their phones and smartwatches at home before they go.
